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How to modify the list of episodes

This list of episodes is parsed with its section heading-based format, and forms the basis for consistent harmony tables. Therefore, if you modify it please do so carefully and follow the process and format below:

If you see errors, modify each 'bibleverse link', or parable/miracle name.
Add comments on this talk this page, not within the article.
If you see a missing episode, add a subsection in the following format:

=== BibleVerse colon Wikipedia Page Name (topic) ===

e.g.

===Matthew 1:2–16: Genealogy of Jesus (nativity) ===

Not that there is a colon (:) after the BibleVerse and that the topic is within parentheses.

The topics are: {nativity, youth, ministry, sermon, miracle, parable, passion, resurrection appearance, miscl}.

The changes you make will in a few days be reflected within the harmony tables via automatic table generation. History2007 (talk) 18:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale

The tables used within Wikipedia pages are often less than consistent, e.g. some parables may appear in the Parables of Jesus page but not within the Gospel harmony page, or may use different names of Gospel sections. As of this writing, the table on the Miracles of Jesus page has 42 entries, the "miracle template" has 35 items and there are 37 pages in Wikipedia classified as miracle. Moreover, there is serious inconsistency in naming, e.g. the table says "turned water into wine" and the template says Marriage at Cana, etc. To to achieve consistency across templates and pages, there must be changes.

Automatic table generation avoids inconsistencies across pages, and is a step towards quality in Wikipedia content as discussed in consistent content management with further examples. History2007 (talk) 18:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image gallery

The images automatically selected are the first images in each article Talk:List of key episodes in the Canonical Gospels/gallery. History2007 (talk) 19:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've been unable to locate an illustration (or at least a PD illustration) of the Parable of the Two Debtors. I'm thinking an image of the Anointing of Jesus would work there, as the parable is right in the middle of that event. Comments? -Andrew c ^[talk] 01:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of errors or omissions

Please provide a list of errors or omissions below. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 04:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic lead

The lead violates WP:SELF. If this encyclopedia article was printed in an encyclopedia, the intro would be rather odd. If this entirely is something not intended for the public, and isn't an encyclopedia article, I'd request that it be moved to a subpage in either the talk, user talk, or project (wikipedia) namespace (maybe as part of a wikiproject?) If this is intended for the general public, then I'd request that the lead be re-written in accordance to encyclopedia tone and style. I'd be glad to assist in either task. Not exactly sure the purpose of this page, so I don't have a strong preference for either option.

Also, would this information not be better served tabular style? So that a user could sort the table by all the classification, or chronologically, or by book, or what have you. (Also, are the classifications found in the cited sources? miracles, parables, ministry, passion, resurrection appearance, etc) And now I have other concerns regarding selection... but I'll bite my tongue for now. -Andrew c ^[talk] 19:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The WHOLE point here is that this is in fact a list and not a table. The table is automatically produced and is in Gospel Harmony. See Rationale link. Please feel free to suggest a lead, but it is a first step in avoiding inconsistency. History2007 (talk) 19:54, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So if this content is redundant and is just used to generate content on another page, perhaps it should not be in the main article namespace, but instead a talk subpage for the gospel harmony article? Does that work for you? Or is there a reason this needs to be in the main article namespace? Why have Talk:Gospel harmony/BaseTable and this so-called "article"? -Andrew c ^[talk] 20:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it makes no diff to me in the short term. In the long term, my goal is to move on to list of airports in the world, and get them consistent with if Narita is number 4 or number 10, as I mentioned in User:History2007/Improving Wikipedia. As is there are just too many errors in Wikipedia and those "list of X" articles need to be automatically parsed and used elsewhere. I chose the Gospels as the 1st case because they are somewhat more static than the airports - wink. Eventually I would like to see list of all airports be consistent, list of all gospels be consistent, list of all XYZ be consistent, and that can not be done on talk pages. History2007 (talk) 20:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly support your efforts to improve the way Wikipedia operates! We have had a lot of trouble with maintainability of harmony tables, and this offers a potentially large improvement in quality. I'm not sure how to include images in List of key episodes in the Canonical Gospels which override the default "first image in article", though. -- Radagast 3 (talk) 02:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And, btw, "(resuurection appearance)" is a typo. -- Radagast 3 (talk) 02:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this page does not belong in the article namespace. If it is a source for a single other article page Gospel harmony, then it should be a subpage of Talk:Gospel harmony, as suggested. If it is utilized by multiple pages, then it should be a subpage of Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible. jnestorius^(talk) 17:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I couldn't get the link to work (it times out rather than says it doesn't exist), so have found another link which I think has replaced the original one. Robertm25 (talk) 10:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retired page

Per the #Problematic lead section from 2010, the contents of this page did not belong in the main namespace.

The user maintaining this page left in 2013.

The Gospel harmony page is now edited directly, without reference to whatever external processing tool formerly used on this page.

So I have done the following:

moved the article and its talk page from the main namespace to the Wikipedia namespace
redirected the main namespace name List of key episodes in the Canonical Gospels to Gospel harmony#An example parallel harmony
redirected the moved article to its own talk page (this page)

So effectively the article and its talk page are just preserved here with their edit histories for archival purposes. Perhaps they can be deleted altogether, I have no opinion on that. jnestorius^(talk) 21:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]