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Article promoted by Kges1901 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC) « Return to A-Class review list[reply]

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Nominator(s): Coffeeandcrumbs (talk)

Yuri Gagarin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am nominating this article for A-Class review because I believe it meets the criterion for the class. The article has undergone a GA review which can be found at Talk:Yuri Gagarin/GA1. I have since expanded lead and continued to copy-edit the article. As most people know, Gagarin was the first human in space and a very important figure in world history. The article is viewed by over 1,000,000 readers each year and is likely to have a large spike in viewers around July 21. (It is indefinitely semi-protected.) I would like to have it seriously scrutinized by editors with experience in MILHIST. This article is written in a generic Commonwealth English which is not my native lect. I welcome criticism where my North American English has crept in. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Chetsford

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This is wonderful, Gagarin deserves an FA article so it's great to see you working towards it. I found it to be well-written, comprehensive, and an enjoyable read. I have a few comments that can be addressed or disregarded at leisure as none impede my enthusiastic support.

  • "The KGB's report declassified in March 2003 dismissed various conspiracy theories and instead indicated the actions of airbase personnel contributed to the crash." I think "declassified in March 2003" is a paranthetical expression and should be set out with commas.
  • "The bodies of Gagarin and Seryogin were cremated and their ashes were buried in the walls of the Kremlin." For efficiency, I think the second "were" could be omitted but it reads fine either way.
  • There's an unresolved template in the second paragraph of Medals and orders of merit.
  • I think German Democratic Republic should be wikilinked since not everyone nowadays will know it's East Germany.
  • I was surprised not to see anything about his stature, only because it seems like a lot has been made of it, but that's neither here nor there.
    • It was much ado in popular media but scholarly sources do not emphasize it. They point out that those considered for Vostok missions, including Valentina Tereshkova (GA review ongoing), were all short. This was because the Vostok capsule was tiny. Gagarin was chosen from among the 20+ candidates/6 trained cosmonauts for his other talents which I hope I made clear. I added a note about the height prerequisites and Gagarin's height. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:49, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some people might raise an issue with reference 81 and ask if a different source could be found. However, per WP:RSP, there doesn't seem to be a consensus for its coverage on "general topics" of which this seems to be one, so I'd imagine it's fine.
    • Thank you for the review! I will work on the unresolved template and ref #81. The latter is attached to a more recent 2013 revelation not covered in my books. I have the latest biography on Gagarin coming to me via mail in couple of days and it should allow me to rewrite those few sentences. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:49, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chetsford (talk) 08:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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  • File:Yuri_Gagarin_(1961)_-_Restoration.jpg: when/where was this first published and what is its status in the US?
    • First published in Helsinki, Finland in 1961. I am not sure how we determine status in the US. There is no evidence in searching newspapers.com that this photo was ever published in the U.S. immediately after its publication in Finland. Getty Images also brings up no results. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • If it was never published in the US its status will rely on restored or subsisting copyrights. My reading of that page is that it's non-free, but please review to see if I may have missed something. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • I am nowhere near an expert but according to c:PD-Finland50: In 1961, the protection period was 25 years from the year of first publication according to the §16 of the law of protection of photographs of 1961. Material already released to public domain according to the 1961 law remains in public domain, and therefore all photographs (but not photographic works of art) released before 1966 are in the public domain. (emphasis added) It became PD in Finland in 1986. Does that not mean it is also in PD in U.S. as well. Does URAA not apply in this can as well since the photo was in PD in Finland before January 1, 1996. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:51, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Gagarin_Signature.svg: source link is dead. Same with File:RIAN_archive_615544_The_USSR_pilot-cosmonauts_Valentina_Tereshkova_and_Yuri_Gagarin.jpg, File:Gemini_4_Astronauts_Meet_Yuri_Gagarin.jpg
G'day Coffeeandcrumbs, just checking you've seen this. It is the only thing holding up promotion from what I can tell. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked for help at c:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#File:Yuri_Gagarin_(1961)_-_Restoration.jpg. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:20, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria and Peacemaker67: Here is my thinking:
  • Photo was created in 1964 and published in 1964 in Finland and there is no evidence it was simultaneous published in the U.S.
  • According to Template:PD-Finland50, before 1991, "the protection period [in Finland] was 25 years from the year of first publication according to the §16 of the law of protection of photographs of 1961."
  • Therefore, the photograph became PD in Finland in 1989, before date of URAA (January 1, 1996).
  • QED: The photograph is PD in U.S. because it was already PD in its home country in January 1996 and therefore not restored by URAA.
So I added Template:PD-1996. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:29, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria I would appreciate any acknowledgement or comments. Thank you! Regards. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That seems reasonable. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from AustralianRupert

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Support: G'day, Coffeeandcrumbs, thanks for your efforts on this very important article. I have the following suggestions for improvements: AustralianRupert (talk) 03:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA-5

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That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 10:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey CC could you please explain me what this is including the Order of Georgi Dimitrov) on 24 May.[16][chronology citation needed]? Why is there a "chronology citation needed" template here? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I placed that chronology citation needed tag. I could not find a source for the date. I know the year (1961) but all the other merits in that paragraph have exact dates and not just the year. I don't know where 24 May came from but I have no reason to doubt it and also no way to verify it. I have sources that say he was in Bulgaria ca. 21–24 May 1961 and he did receive those medals that year. There is a little of sythensis there to get to claim that he received those medals on that exact date.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have commented out the unsourced date. It should be good now--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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Comments by Kees08

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  • Is there any way to mention that the monuments that just have a bust of his head, like the image we have on the page from India, are all the same? The reason the Belgrade one looked weird is because they took that same bust and put it on a much larger pedestal.
  • Manned → crewed per WP:GNL (unless used in a name like Manned Spacecraft Center etc)
  • The decision on whether to alter the imagery of Gagarin leaving the aircraft with his shoes untied has been mentioned in every documentary I have watched; I think it deserves inclusion
    • This seems undue unless we expand this article significantly. In the two biography of Gagarin, Jenk's The Cosmonaut Who Couldn't Stop Smiling and Doran & Bizony's Starman each only have half a paragraph dedicated to this. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just a couple things at a glance so far; hopefully can make time for a thorough review. Kees08 (Talk) 17:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Kees08, assuming Nikkimaria is happy with the image licensing, I'm going to list this for promotion shortly. Just letting you know, as you indicated you might take a closer look. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I do not have any issues if there is a consensus to promote; I would rather not hold up the promotion and just provide comments at FAC. Kees08 (Talk) 17:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.