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Non-free logo usage

Hello. I have a question about using non-free photos for logos of television stations. The following link directs to the logo of Telemundo affiliate for Yakima/Tri-Cities, Washington, KFFX-DT2 (channel 11.2): Link. However, there is way too much white space around the actual logo to make it presentable on Wikipedia. Is it acceptable to edit the logo in Microsoft Paint, upload it to Wikipedia, and still legally credit the original website and declare it non-free, or would this be illegal? Thanks! Matthewshill (talk) 03:09, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Matthewshill: Good news! This is actually a case where the logo likely doesn't meet the threshold of originality and falls in the public domain. You can upload the photo to the Wikimedia Commons alongside the other Telemundo logos in commons:Category:Telemundo. The license template to choose when uploading would be {{PD-textlogo}} (and I'd also tag the image as {{Trademarked}} to indicate that the logo is trademarked).

To answer your original question, I believe it's generally fine to crop non-free logos with excessive whitespace. I would just add a note on the file's description page (e.g. list the source as "Cropped from X"). Though I'm unsure what article you intended to use the logo in, since we don't have an article on Telemundo for Yakima/Tri-Cities (granted, this is irrelevant now since the logo can be considered to be in the public domain and does not need to follow the non-free image usage rules). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 06:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful information. In regards to the logo, it would be placed undernearth the primary channel logo in the article KFFX-TV. Matthewshill (talk) 15:20, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

How To Edit Genres: Mars Argo

Helped

Hi there! I am kind of new to Wikipedia, I joined a while ago and have learnt how to do basic things but there are still things I don't want to change myself as i'm worried I might mess it up. In reference to the page 'Mars Argo', i'd like to add dream pop as another one of the genres that fit her style. Her music has varied quite a bit, and the current two genres don't cover all of the bases, mostly all of the songs from Technology Is A Dead Bird. I'm happy to add something else (like Indie) if dream pop isn't appropriate enough, but I just want to add something to make it more accurate. If someone could help me out with this or point me to a good article explaining how to do it and what is appropriate when adding genres, i'd be really appreciative. Thanks! Lonely sapphire (talk) 02:31, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Lonely sapphire and welcome to the Teahouse. Because people get a bit sensitive about adding or removing genres in music related articles, it might be good advice for you to start a discussion on the article's talk page. However, if you want to be bold you could do it yourself and then accept that other editors might disagree over the genre 'dream pop' you've added. If you were to click the 'edit source' tab at the top of the page, you'll see a load of goobledook right at the very top which actually creates the 'Infobox'. Scroll slowly through it and look for the entry entitled "| genre =". There then follows two entries, each beginning with an asterisk. You would need to add a third genre entry following the same style, and ensuring you balance up the double curly brackets, and don't accidentally add or delete any there. By previewing you've edits you can check how the page will look, or if you've made some disastrous error. Even if you had saved your edits and messed up the page, you could very quickly revert them by going to "View History" tab and finding the top entry (your last edit) and clicking "Undo". Most of us here probably learnt how to do complicated stuff by experimenting with the source code, and tweaking it until it works. Give it a try and let us know how you get on! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Clarification of a episode date

Helped

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_Nova_episodes#Season_46:_2018%E2%80%932019

I'm looking at the PBS broadcast of the television series NOVA Episode 5, PROD Code January 11, 1978 0420 is a 4th season code with a date which follows 5th season episode #1 Could someone reply with a correct date season episode for ""The Green Machine" January 11, 1978 0420" Thank You, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snaggletooththe1st (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Snaggletooththe1st. I doubt anyone here will understand your question enough to respond to you, and I think the best place for you to ask a question related to this subject is on the talk page of the article itself. I'm assuming you've already tried to search Google or similar search engines for the relevant information. Could I therefore politely suggest you repeat your question at Talk:List of Nova episodes where I'm sure you'll have more success? Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:14, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Xu Fu Statue in Weihai, Shandong

Greetings! I really like the Stories and Myths around Xu Fu the Explorer and plan to visit Weihai, Penglai and other interesting places there in the Future. Unfortunately there was no Geotag attached to the following, great picture of this Xu Fu Statue:

Xu Fu

File:Xü_Fu.jpg

Does anyone here happen to know where exactly this statue is in Weihai (like, coordinates?) so that i can mark it on my Google Maps App? I already pinned some locations i'd like to visit there and it would be lovely to add this as well! 😊 The Picture was created by the user "Fanghong" but i'm sure that at least some of you know it right? I mean, it's a public place in Weihai :D Thank you in advance & have a nice day! Amelius92 (talk) 6:41, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Amelius. Welcome to the Teahouse. I fancied a bit of a challenge, so I took a look at Fanghong's other uploads on Wikimedia in case s/he had also contributed other images from very nearby on the same day. I note that the image you are interested in (apparently from Weihai) was photographed at 10:18 on 14 June 2008 (according to their camera setting), and that this image of another statue at Penglai was taken 20 minutes earlier at 09:48, 14 June 2008 and this image was taken ten minutes before that at 09:37, 14 June 2008. Yet another image was taken in Penglai at 10:51, 14 June 2008, suggesting that the location of Weihai given for the picture you're interested in not correct. (Wehai and Penglai look to be about 2 hours apart by car). Unfortunately I couldn't get anywhere further, but wonder if your picture is a relatively cheaply-constructed statue on a modern building (I note that it's made of more than one block of stone morticed together. Or maybe somewhere very near the statue of the eight immortals at Penglai? Nearest guess would be close to here). The simpler way might be to contact the photographer on their talk page over at Wikimedia Commons, where they were last active in April this year. See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fanghong. Hope this helps a little bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:42, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Nick, thanks for your reply! It's really cool how you deduced all of that, awesome!😁👌 I searched the area around the "Eight Immortals" statue you mentioned and i think that i found Xu Fu at 37.818137,120.790099 There is another, smaller statue to the left and some others in that park. What do you think? I'm pretty sure that i got the right one, the material also fits perfectly! I'm really happy now 😊 I'm starting to think that Fanghong simply made a mistake then by referring to Weihai instead of Penglai and considering the Story of Xu Fu it would also make more sense to have a big statue of him in a city bearing the name of the legendary Mountain he was searching for 🗻 I'll try to contact him/her but i'd also recommend that another Editor should clarify that with Fanghong so that people aren't looking for the statue at the wrong place ^-^ Amelius92 (talk) 13:52, June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I think that location is very likely to be correct. You'd need to share a Google maps link for me to be able to comment on your coordinates. I typed them in to the Google maps url but it wasn't hugely helpful. I did spend ages looking at all the 360 degree images I could find in that area, but to no avail, and also generally searching google images with little success. But there are clearly so many statues - and two sets of eight immortals - that I think it's highly likely to be close by and, as you say, Xu Fu's search for the elixir of immortality ties in with the eight immortals/celestials. Regarding contact, what I suggest you do is attempt that contact yourself, and then (after an appropriate period of time if there's no response) add a note to the discussion page of that image to suggest that the location is quite likely to be wrong. You could even link back to this discussion thread once it's been permanently archived in a few day's time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:53, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately i had some problems with the coordinates myself and i can't find a way to use a working Google Maps link but it's the park between the restaurants "Haiyun Yige" and "Hongsheng" in the city of Penglai. The Haibin E.Road is situated below the park in question and the location is also south of "Sidingjiao". Overall it's east of the Mazhikou-Lake with all those pagodas, not that far away. On the left side of the park there is a big plaza and on the north end of that you'll find the statue which i believe could be Xu Fu, left of it there's another possible match. Considering his importance in that area i'll still think that it's likely the big statue north of the plaza =) My description should be enough to manually find the park with the statues. As i said, i had problems posting a proper link but it should still suffice. I'll try to contact Fanghong and if successful i'll give an update either here or on the discussion page of the image. Again, thank you for your help Nick! Regards, Amelius92 (talk) 16:21, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Creative commons file attribution

Hi, I'm working on Volgograd Tractor Plant and have just uploaded a Wikimedia Commons image which states under Licensing that you are free to copy the work if you provide file attribution. How do I do that? Do I have to put a credit line somewhere? Also, how do I get my article to show up under "File usage on other wikis" in the image details? I thought uploading it into my article would do that automatically but it hasn't. Rodney Baggins (talk) 18:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Rodney Baggins: You're good to go on Volgograd Tractor Plant, no further action is required. Since clicking on the image in the article opens up the file's description (which includes the author and the license information) you don't have to add any attribution information to the article itself. Outside of Wikipedia, the general practice is to add the attribution information and a link to the license as a caption to the image, or in a designated "credits" section.

The "File usage on other wikis" section is indeed automatically updated, and I see Volgograd Tractor Plant listed there. You may need to purge the cache, which you can do by adding ?action=purge to the end of the URL. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:50, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I can see it in the list now. Thanks for your help. Rodney Baggins (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Great. No problem! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:55, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Raj dasireddy

Pls create my page , google me raj dasireddy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sri raj dasireddy (talk • contribs) 21:04, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Click on your username and when it takes you to the page that does not exist add some content. Click on the "Publish" button and you will have created the page. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:09, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I think he is talking about his biography in the mainspace. This editor had tried to do so but it was moved to draftspace. I have tagged the draft for speedy deletion as it appears to be promotional and the subject doesn't meet notabilty criteria(WP:GNG and WP:ENT). Masum Reza^📞 21:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh I see, I thought he just meant his userspace page. I'll leave you to issue the necessary cautions. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:35, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Sri raj dasireddy and welcome to Wikipedia. Please don't create your own article as an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and it violates our conflict of interests policy. If you think you meet our notabilty criterias (WP:GNG and WP:ENT) then feel free to request your article at requested articles. Masum Reza^📞 23:59, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Sri raj dasireddy, you have one thing right- you should not typically create your own article, per WP:AUTO and WP:COI. However, you seem to be operating under a few mistaken assumptions- namely, that Wikipedia is for anyone who wants to be notable. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not for people who want to be notable, but rather for those who are already notable. If you can provide several reliable sources describing you in depth, you may have a chance. I see you have an article in the Telugu Wikipedia; unfortunately, they have different notability standards, and an article there is no guarantee of one here. With regards, --A lad insane (Channel 2) 00:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Need experienced editor to compose a Wiki entry

Hello fellow editors

I have a friend who would like to have a Wiki entry made about his life in the music industry. He is also the former Director of the Commercial Music Program at Long Beach City College. He has produced many noted jazz and smooth jazz albums, I believe. He will pay someone for this service. I simply do not have time to do this right now, but this person is anxious to have someone get started ASAP. Is anyone out there interested in taking this on? Knowledge of jazz or music would be a bonus but is not required.

Thanks BahnJour9120 (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Paid editing is not allowed at Wikipedia while editing with conflict of interest is strongly discouraged unless you disclose your employer's identity on your user page or user talk page in accordance with WikiMedia Foundations' policy. If you believe the subject meets our general notability guideline and notability guidelines on biographies, take a moment to request an article at requested articles. Hope this helps. Masum Reza^📞 17:08, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Actually, paid editing is allowed, but such editors must disclose the articles in question. Conflict of interest editing also allowed, again disclosure. In theory, Requested articles could work, but it is sort of a lost cause. Within the world of music, Wikipedia has a special set of guidelines Wikipedia:Notability (music). David notMD (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah but the subject also seems to a producer. So I linked that page. Masum Reza^📞 18:12, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Apologies. I was EBC (editing before coffee). David notMD (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD and Masum Reza. Very helpful. BahnJour9120 (talk) 03:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC) Hello, BahnJour9120. I'm afraid that you and your friend have a fundamental misunderstanding about Wikipedia. Like many people you appear to think that Wikipedia is in some way related to your friend's online presence or self-promotion: it is not. If at some point we have an encyclopaedia article about your friend, it will not belong to him, he and his associates will have no control over its content, and it should almost 100% based on what people unconnected to him have chosen to publish about him. Please ask him to use another medium to promote himself. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

ColinFine: I'm afraid you've grossly misunderstood and misread the subtext of my question. I'm well aware of the parameters of Wikipedia, and in no way mean that this entry would be for promotional purposes. I do not need a ruler slap on the wrist from the likes of you. What I need is a Wiki editor who knows the ropes because I want this person to be in good hands. Fortunately, the responses previous to yours, from David notMD and Mazumreza, were much more helpful and solution-oriented than yours. BahnJour9120 (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

False accusation of vandalism

Hello,

  I am a user that once was 'signed in', then I lost my password, recently got signed in again. I made some edits tonight. I admit I am very stupid about some of it, and would save, then realise I made a mistake, save again, etc.

I am not yet familiar with the sandbox. After first being welcomed for an edit, I am now suddenly attacked for I guess not knowing what doing. There is not one single this I've done that is malicious.

Let me also point out that I have an old computer at home, and it sometimes can be very slow, which may have led me to hit the posting button too many times.

Here is what I got...

"This is a message letting you know that one or more of your recent edits to The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys has been undone by an automated computer program called ClueBot NG.

   ClueBot NG makes very few mistakes, but it does happen. If you believe the change you made was constructive, please read about it, report it here, remove this message from your talk page, and then make the edit again.
   For help, take a look at the introduction.
   The following is the log entry regarding this message: The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys was changed by DDB9000 (u) (t) ANN scored at 1 on 2019-06-23T02:09:32+00:00

Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 02:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. Your edits continue to appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. 122.108.183.105 (talk) 02:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Shoot Out at the Fantasy Factory, you may be blocked from editing. Butter72 (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at When the Eagle Flies. Butter72 (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2019 (UTC)"

I read very carefully the page on vandalism and I have done nothing of the sort whatsoever.

All I've ever done here, whether signed in or not has always had to do with improving pages and providing good and helpful info .Now, suddenly that I'm I'm being accused of vandalism(!) for just not knowing exactly the way to do it right. I just want people to have the best facts at hand and use my knowledge to help. Isn't that the idea of Wikipedia?

Is there a human who can understand what is going on and help me?

David DDB9000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDB9000 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @DDB9000: Welcome to the teahouse! There are a lot of humans here (of which I am one). Give me a minute to see what's happened. Orville1974^talk 04:23, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi again @DDB9000: We're all human (well, there are a couple bots, too), and we all make mistakes (in this case thinking your edits constituted vandalism). We really appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, but the reason your edits keep getting reverted (and sometimes tagged as vandalism) is because you have not cited reliable sources to support the changes you've made. Everything on Wikipedia should be verifiable to third-party sources. This guide will help explain how to include sources with your changes: Help:Referencing for beginners. Thank you! Orville1974^talk 04:34, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, DDB9000. Our automated vandalism detection bot called Clue Bot NG is highly effective but it does make some errors. This was a software error. You added unreferenced information about the cover of a Traffic album, stating that it is "die cut". Those two specific words are highly associated with vandalism. What you need to do is provide a reference to a reliable source verifying this configuration of the cover. For example, the unusual cover shape is mentioned in the notes of the Discog listing for the album. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, DDB9000. Let me take Jim's explanation a bit farther. There isn't anything inherently vandalistic about diecutting. Bots work on a matrix. The use of the word "cut and the word "die", both terms commonly used in threats, coupled with the lack of sources (and I suspect also the newness of your account), triggered the bot. There are some really demented people who vandalize Wikipedia. Again, my apologies for our automated ally, and a reaffirmation that adding sources will prevent that (and make for a more helpful edit). John from Idegon (talk) 06:16, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

DDB9000: your habit of marking all your edits as "minor", even when you have added whole paragraphs to an article as here, does look suspicious. I've no idea whether this has influenced Clue Bot. Maproom (talk) 07:39, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Python

Why was python invented? What are the advantages and disadvantages other then the coding language? Who invented it? When was it invented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.105.163 (talk) 04:24, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Unfortunately, it is not set up to answer questions like yours. Please feel free to ask it again at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. MarnetteD|Talk 04:30, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, did you try to read our article on Python (programming language)...? --CiaPan (talk) 08:45, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

How to verify contributed information/get pictures submitted to page

Hello,

I created an account to work on an assignment in my Civil Rights course at college. I contributed to the existing 'Dion Diamond' page by adding events, locations, created links to people, places. As well as including a reference for a specific event/person. My question is this: I went to see the work I contributed and was unable to see only one addition, yet, when I took a before/after screenshot of the page, it is evident that more than just one addition was made. Is there a way to find the specific contributions added? I don't know if because I 'edited' his page on the screen itself instead of another location if maybe that was the issue? Lastly, I searched for pictures that were not held by any copyright and was positive that the two pictures I submitted were able to be freely distributed. Are you able to give me a more in-depth explanation as to why it was not approved?

URL: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Dion_Diamond I need help relating specifically to working with the 'Visual Editor'

Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msennpcollege2019 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Msennpcollege2019. You can look at all the edits made to an article by picking "History" from the top. You made one large edit to Dion Diamond, and apart from a bot removing the pictures and one editor correcting the formatting of headers, your edits are still there in the article. (For covenience, I advise making multiple small edits in future, as 1) it is easier to see what is happening in the history, and 2) if there is a problem with some of the edits, it is easier to revert only the ones that are problematic).

The edit summary from the bot says that the images you uploaded to Commons were deleted by commons:User:Túrelio because they had "Non-free Flickr license disallowing commercial use and/or derivative works)". Commons requires that material uploaded to it be available for reuse by anybody for any purpose, including commercially. --ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

FPC

Hi! I'd love to resubmit a picture to Featured Picture Candidates which for one vote didn't get the quorum of support. When I try to resubmit it, it tells me that such a nomination already exists, though it has expired. Is it possible to resubmit to see if contributors are more willing to whether oppose or support the picture, which is profusely respectable? Kind regards. --LLcentury (talk) 21:09, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

@LLcentury: Have you tried using a different title in the box under "Step 2: Create a subpage"? Maybe "Byun Yo-han (second nomination)"? Of course, if you succeed at creating a new nomination, be sure to reference/link the old nomination. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

J.-J.'s just trying to add a Photo, without additional editing

I have what seems like a wonderful specimen of a Baculite--attributed to the Pierre Shale deposit by a field expert at U.C. Berkeley's Museum of Paleontology. It seems as though it's addition would be valuable because the mother-of-pearl-like surface seems far more intact, especially in terms it's multi-colored aspect.

I might have already posted this question in the wrong venue; but, because it seems like a photo that can add to the understanding of what Baculites looked like, I'd appreciate any directions to posting the photo--so I can get things righter than wronger. Thanks. Best of luck and skill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HBD Bear Area (talk • contribs) 23:52, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @HBD Bear Area: You can find FlightTime's response to your question posted at the help desk here: WP:HD. Just scroll to the very bottom of the screen. Orville1974^talk 23:55, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

membership

how do you become a member on wiki of for example wrestling? Kazy gain (talk) 21:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Kazy gain: You can find out a lot more about the WikiProject on professional wrestling here: WP:WikiProject Professional wrestling. If you'd like to join, just add this userbox: {{User WP PW}} (edit in source mode, and when asked, paste as plain text) to your userpage. Orville1974^talk 22:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I think one generally also adds one's name to the members list. Eman235/talk 00:26, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Hi There, I'm Made Thug. I joined Wikipedia last year and I've made a couple of edits but my problem is adding references.Could you please assist me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madd Thug (talk • contribs) 08:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Madd Thug. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

@Madd Thug: Although I and others always point to [[Help:Referencing for beginners]], I actually think it's the worst help page we have here, as it's so long and off-putting for beginners. Can I just point out that you will inevitably be using one of our two editing tools (called Source Editor or Visual Editor) to add text. Both of these editors have an obvious tools menu. Just Look for the button labelled Cite. Then position your cursor at the end of the factual statement in the article that that you want to add a reference to, and simply click 'Cite' to reveal a box or select a simple template into which you can enter all the author, title, date, publisher, url details of your reference.

Each editing tool varies slightly in how they operate. In Source editor (which you will have used for editing this page) you do have to click a further Template button on the left hand side. This lets you choose the best template into which you paste your reference details, according to whether you're citing a journal, a book, a newspaper or a website. There's also a Preview button to let you see what your details will look like when inserted into the page. Meanwhile, when you click 'Cite' button in the Visual Editor it starts by offering to let you paste a url or ISBN number and attempts to automatically look up the reference details for you. Neither work perfectly, so manually checking and tweaking to get the best reference is always advisable. But being aware that you can add reference details from within either editing tool is something that's not really that obvious in the Help page. Let us know how you get on. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC)  

Nick Moyes, I'm also guilty of linking to that help page on many occasions and I partially share your reaction. I'm not quite ready to call it the worst help page we have — that's a high bar — but it needs an overhaul. I'm also guilty of a common shortcoming; I'm happy to identify a problem but not so quick to fix it.

In my opinion the problem arises from the obvious fact that the help page was originally written long before visual editor ever existed. Once visual editor was created and had the ability to handle references, that was added to the page but it's practically an afterthought. Experience editors have done enough referencing that using the source editor is relatively easy, but for a very new editor creating a reference using the source editor is much more difficult than using the visual editor. I know some many longtime editors like to complain about visual editor and it's not free of faults, but for a brand-new editor, creating references and visual editor is fairly easy.

My proposed overhaul would be to rewrite with an explanation of visual editor being front and center, and the source editor mentioned but not emphasized, maybe even covered in a separate page that is simply linked in the main help page.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: I did tidy up the lead paragraph of WP:REFBEGIN the other day to make it a bit clearer, but a full reworking is definitely needed. (I'd like to know what beginner pages you actually think are worse than that one for new editors! DYK guidance, maybe?) Were you aware that User:Pine is currently working on a video tutorial about referencing in Visual Editor? See here and here. It seems worth waiting until this project is completed before attempting a revamp of WP:REFBEGIN - and maybe a few help desk volunteers need to come together to agree what's needed. Meanwhile, based on my earlier reply today, I've started to put together a few notes of my own that I might use here in future. I will add that when I first started editing I wasn't aware that there was any tool to help me add references, and simply copied/pasted existing references and edited each to suit my new sources. Total nightmare! Thanks for your response on this. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, Pine's work rings a bell, but it had slipped my mind. Thanks for the reminder.S Philbrick(Talk) 16:23, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes and Sphilbrick: thank you for thinking of me. I think that waiting for the videos is not necessary if someone wants to update WP:REFBEGIN, but when the videos are available then I think the videos could be good resources to link from that location. --Pine (✉) 01:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I find it hilarious a new editor asking for reference help spiralled into "Let's totally revamp one of the earliest Wikipedia pages" סשס Grimmchild 08:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing sources may be helpful. It gives video guidence on how to create references. 173.52.238.41 (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

How do I publish a biography of a Group CEO of a company

Please assist on how do I publish a biography of my Group CEO on Wikipedia. Also wanted to check if this biography would be editable by me in due course? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliyadias (talk • contribs) 07:33, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Aliyadias Welcome to Teahouse. First of all the subject needs to be notable and we need multiple independent, reliable published sources to support the content claimed. Please read WP:Your First Article for further info and follow the instruction on how to create an article in Wikipedia. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Aliyadias. With a few exceptions, all Wikipedia articles are editable by anybody in the world at any time. But since you are associated with the CEO, you are regarded as having a conflict of interest, and you are discouraged from creating or directly editing an article about them, though if an article exists you are welcome to suggest edits on its talk page. Note that if at some time we have an article about your CEO, it will not belong to them or to the group, and they will have no control over its contents. If your purpose is to tell the world about your Group or your CEO, please choose another route. --ColinFine (talk) 09:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

If you persist with Draft:Tariq Chauhan you must declare a paid relationship on your user page. See WP:PAID. Also, as written, with no references and a promotional point of view, certain to be declined. David notMD (talk) 16:43, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Aliyadias: May I also point you to some guidance of words to avoid (whose shortcut is labelled WP:PEACOCK)...mainly because, as yet, we don't have any guidance with the shortcut WP:SYCOPHANTIC - but this draft of yours absolutely reads as something designed wholly to impress the boss and massage their ego. It needs to be neutral and factual - not sycophantic - in tone. I do hope you get your promotion - irrespective of whether the draft gets to be promoted into this encyclopaedia! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:07, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Quite apart from Wikipedia's policies — any impartial person reading the first paragraph of Draft:Tariq Chauhan in its current state is likely to think "What a load of bullshit. This guy must be a right prat." Maproom (talk) 20:53, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Maproom: please keep in mind Wikipedia's policy "Don't bit the newbies." Aliyadias is very new to this, and needs guidance, not insults. David notMD (talk) 01:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Why is my page still in drafts?

How can I get my draft page published?

It's been classified as a draft for 25 days, but I'd like it to be live... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Elevate (talk • contribs) 00:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Mark Elevate: Just a couple minutes ago it was flagged for deletion. Please read the pink box at the top of your draft article for the rationale for recommended deletion, and actions you can take. Orville1974^talk 00:28, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Mark Elevate: I cannot view the draft in question, as it has been deleted and I am not an administator. However, I can point you to our policy on a neutral point of view, which could be useful- best of luck! With regards, -A lad insane (Channel 2) 02:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

More rights?

Not that I've run out of things to do on Wikipedia, but I keep hearing about backlogs. So, I was wondering if I qualify for any additional permissions that I currently don't have that would allow me to help wherever help is most needed right now. I have read the relevant documents and know that, technically, I can request some of them. Just want to know if I would actually get any of them and if any of those tasks actually need a helping hand right now. If not really needed, I'd much rather continue doing what I'm doing instead of going trophy-hunting which would, I worry, take my time away unnecessarily. Thanks! Usedtobecool ^✉️ ✨ 06:04, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipage translation (India and related) from English to Telugu

Hello,

I am Sudha Rani, from Southern part of India and I would like to translate the Wikipage: "India" and related pages to my native language, in Telugu, and make all the content available in English, from partial content available, so that all Telugu people can access and benefit from the authenticated content and information available in English. I navigated through help and FAQS pages and I still need to get concrete information about how to place a completely translated content into partially translated page in my language and how do I know and follow related protocols, rules of Wikipedia.

I request you to provide the necessary information that I need to know at this initial stage of content translation.

Thanks & Regards Sudha — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:6412:D33A:9C62:6AD6:167D:5342 (talk) 06:17, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP 2405:204:6412:D33A:9C62:6AD6:167D:5342|2405:204:6412:D33A:9C62:6AD6:167D:5342. If you'd like to take content found on English Wikipedia and translate it for use in another language Wikipedia please take a look at Wikipedia:Translate us. If you want to take content found on Wikipedia, translate it and then use it on a different website (not another language Wikipedia), please take a look at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Irish Election Results

Hi Guys, I've been editing wiki for a while, primarily Irish election results. I'm looking to find agreement on how to present non registered political parties and groupings on local council election pages, primarily the 'Independent Alliance', 'Independent Left' and to a lesser extent the 'Rural Alliance'. In the case of the 'IA' they are represented in dail related pages even though this brand does not appear on ballot papers. Also the fact that some of my previous edits have been undone in relation to small parties is something i would like to be explained to me. I am by no means a Wikipedia expert but I am an election expert and if deletions are made in future I want to be told exactly why these occur? Not only is the Irish political system unique but Ireland also has an electoral system used by just one other country in the world. I just find it inconvenient that some moderators have the audacity to think they know how Irish Politics should be represented simply because they have experience on page editing as opposed to politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElectionHack2019 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@ElectionHack2019: I don't think any of us here at this helpdesk have the subject-matter expertise to answer this question. I'd recommend contacting User:Teddy455 as he appears to be one person who has removed this information when it has been added by you.[1] You may also want to post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums. I think someone at one of those places would be able to better assist. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @ElectionHack2019: User:Spleodrach and User:BrownHairedGirl seem very invovled in Irish politics. In addition to the Wikiprojects mentioned above, I recommend you reach out to them. I'm sure they'd appreciate the collaboration, and may already know if a consensus on how to present non-registered political parties and groupings has been reached. You can leave messages for them on their respective talk pages: User talk:Spleodrach and User talk:BrownHairedGirl. Orville1974^talk 00:12, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @ElectionHack2019

I suggest that you post about this on the talk page of WikiProject Ireland, i.e. WT:IE. That would be the best place for this discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:26, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Decline in news sources and the proliferation of paywalls

Hi fellow editors,

I'm a relatively new editor and something has been bothering me about the difficulty in accessing good secondary sources, especially about subjects that are mainly reported in news media (people and places). Many local and even major papers have closed or greatly reduced their budgets and reporting staff. Several of the better major newspapers require a subscription. I can't afford to take out subscriptions to these papers and, even if I could, using them for a reference might add that as a barrier to any reader who wanted to check the reference.

A couple of years ago I was working on a page about a local politician and discovered that the local paper's archive did not go back far enough. It appeared that if you want to access archives from a really long time ago - pre-1920 or so - those might be available. Sometimes articles are accessible if they were written after the advent of the internet, although some papers don't maintain their archives or have gone out of business altogether. I've started using the WayBack Machine for articles I think I may want to use but that doesn't help for earlier articles. Another example of what I learned was that if I wanted to have access to the archive of a San Francisco paper, I would have to go there in person and apply. This would take an entire day for me (and would be out of the question if it was for a paper even further away).

Another issue I just learned about is that due to our historically favoring certain people and news in general, some things were just not reported on as thoroughly as others, though they were no less important. One example of this would be women's contributions to medicine and science.

The reason for this comment is that I'm wondering if others at Wikipedia, either editors or the powers that be, have given this any thought and if any solutions have been proposed. If the average reader loses access to reliable information, either due to the disappearance and/or expense of regular news sources or because Wikipedia is hampered by that same decline, it would defeat the purpose of the encyclopedia. Thank you! 1stCoastal (talk) 23:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 1stCoastal. I recommend that you check out The Wikipedia Library. Two major newspaper archives are available to editors and many other useful research archives. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Cullen³²⁸. I will check it out. 1stCoastal (talk) 04:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

1stCoastal, I will echo the advice of Cullen³²⁸. For several years I have had a subscription to Newspapers.com via access provided by The Wikipedia Library. I use it more than any other source as I create articles and edit existing articles. The free account not only provides access to archives of many newspapers, but it allows you to create "clippings" of articles that are available to any readers of articles in which they are used. Eddie Blick (talk) 19:49, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Eddie Blick. I took a look at Newspapers.com and I may apply. I don't have a lot of time to edit :-) so my history is a bit sporadic. I do see that it would be useful (wish I knew about it a couple of years ago!).1stCoastal (talk) 23:47, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I also had a quick look at the Wikipedia Library and noted that: "Special requirements for applicants: Newspapers.com requires that you sign up for an account before applying for access". However if you go to newspapers.com the only options cost $90 or $150 a year. Does anyone know the correct procedure please? Thanks, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:28, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Martin of Sheffield: Click "Sign-in" and then "Register" to register an account without a plan. Regards SoWhy 09:33, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm now waiting for approval. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:04, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

unable to make changes

Citations were requested on my page and I went in to change and add info. I published changes and in 2 seconds it was "reverted to revision 901862795 by ..name...: unhelpful (TW)

what do I need to do to revert to my changes to publish?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solowalk (talk • contribs) 00:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Solowalk: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. I would suggest talking to Poydoo, who made the reversion in question, and/or opening a thread on the talk page (Talk:Claude Ferguson) to see what others think. Thanks for your contributions, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Solowalk: Your edit did not add citations to the article Claude Ferguson; only more unsourced content. General Ization ^Talk 00:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I corrected education...and add info to ddt spraying and added dr. names and quotes and wrote all in civil service file housed at IU lilly library... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solowalk (talk • contribs) 00:21, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Poydoo: Could you explain why this revision is unhelpful? Masum Reza^📞 00:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

how do I talk to poydoo? thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solowalk (talk • contribs) 00:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

how do I talk to poydoo? I am just learning..thank you Solowalk (talk) 00:47, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Solowalk, you added unreferenced content which was challenged and reverted. Your next step is to provide references to reliable sources that verify the content that you want to add. See Referencing for beginners for instructions. In particular, you added two unreferenced quotations, which is contrary to policy. All direct quotations must be referenced and properly attributed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:53, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Try User talk:Poydoo but please be aware that there was nothing wrong with their reversion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

This is so over my head and I am out of my element, I'm not sure where to begin. All of the DDT Aerial spraying info and quotes are documented in his Civil Service personnel file that is at IU Lilly Library A. Claude Ferguson collection Alan Claude Ferguson MSS Public Service Department, Lilly Library, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN 47405... and I just now noticed that I have a misspelled word ...where I list the preceding under external links...How can I get to it to revise it? thanks to any that are willing to helpSolowalk (talk) 01:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I got in and corrected spelling...please don't judge me. If someone could tell me how to reference all the DDT part to his Civil Service Personnel file, I would greatly appreciate it. I have copy...Do i take pictures of it? I would appreciate any help. Thank youSolowalk (talk) 02:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Solowalk, Wikipedia summarizes what reliable published sources say about a topic. A civil service personnel file is not a published source and is not acceptable as a source on Wikipedia. Anything that you discover by reading that file is original research and not permitted on Wikipedia. If a historian studied the file and wrote an article based on that study, then you could cite that article. The Wikipedia article must summarize published sources and nothing more. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Solowalk. Just a few things.

First, pretty much all of edits so far on Wikipedia are related to this particular article; in fact, creating a draft for this article looks like it was one of the first things you did on Wikipedia. There's nothing wrong with this per se, but when a new account is created and it immediately begins to focus on a single subject in can seem that there might be some kind of connection between the account and the subject matter that goes beyond just a casual interest. If you are connected to Ferguson in some way or anyone associated with him, please take a careful look at Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Wikipedia doesn't expressly prohibit conflict of interest editing, but it does highly discourage it; so, if you have such a conflict, it would be good for you to know what types of edits you the Wikipedia community considers OK for you to make.

You may have created the article, but it's not "your" article. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project, which means any article can be edited by anyone at anytime. Neither the subjects or creators of article get any special editorial control over article content per Wikipedia:Ownership of content. Edits are going to assessed by how well they comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not on whether they are someone's preferred version. Disagreements over content should be resolved through article talk page discussion per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.

There's quite a lot of unsourced content in the article. Pretty much all content (except the completely obvious) is required to be cited by a citation to a reliable source (as defined by Wikipedia) for verification purposes, and that what isn't can be removed at anytime per WP:BURDEN. Any content about living persons (Ferguson may be deceased, but others mentioned by name in the article may not), in particular, needs to be rigorously sourced or else it can and most likely will be removed per WP:BLPSOURCES. So, instead of adding more unsourced content, it might be best to try and find sources for already existing content. There are various ways to add citations to an article (see Help:Referencing for beginners), but please don't add things like "check the IU library" or "see so and so collection" since those are pretty much no help at all: try to cite the actual source as specifically as possible as explained in WP:CITEHOW. There might be lots of things you personally know about Ferguson and they all may be true, but unless they will be considered original research unless they can be verified through citations to reliable sources.-- Marchjuly (talk) 02:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me, Yes, this was my first article and yes, it is my father. I was unaware that I should not write his story. So many others have and still contact me today...I have listed their writings in external links. Hopefully one problem will be solved and I will learn how to link the off road vehicles and the lawsuit sections to an external link I do have listed : when a career public servant sues the agency he loves, Rosemary Oleary...she wrote about all of this in her book.

I have alot to learn. I will read the articles you listed and try to improve. To be clear, I am not able to cite his US Civil Service Personnel Record that houses all his awards, work assigments and locations, education and his DDT Aerial Spraying info? Nor cite the Congressional Record December 14, 1982 H9792 that talks about his life, etc..?.thank you for your help and not judging meSolowalk (talk) 03:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

The Book ..The silent spring by Rachel Carson talks about the DDT sprayingSolowalk (talk) 03:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, Solowalk. The Congressional Record is a published source although not always reliable. You can use it as a reference for basic uncontroversial biographical details. Any words of praise by a member of Congress should be attributed to that politician, not stated as fact. As for Rachel Carson, you can cite her only if she discussed your father. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:00, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi again Solowalk. Since the article is about your father, you'd definitely be considered to have a conflict of interest with anything written about him on Wikipedia. I'm going to add a template to your user talk that contains links to various Wikipedia pages related to conflict-of-interest editing. I'm just doing this for your general reference, not because you've done anything wrong. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello and Thank you Cullen Cullen328 User talk:Cullen328 and Marchjuly Marchjuly Marchjuly. I located a 1977 newspaper article in a box that I had cut out that reports exactly what I wrote under his ddt aerial Spraying portion..and his lawsuit etc. “Ferguson still battling bureaucracy but tired of waiting” by David Hulen IDS staff writer.. (Indiana Daily Student Bloomington, IN) . It talks about his faulty diagnosis, his medicine and hospitalization with drs names. I have emailed IDS to see if they can point me to it online but if it’s not how do I cite it. I have it in my hand. It states exactly what I wrote in the ddt section. It looks like someone else has shorten my ddt aerial portion again. I had used published articles and not just his personnel file but failed to do proper citations, I had included these in my reference section. The other complete publication is a 2009 “Administrative Profile: Claude Ferguson Rosemary O'Leary Syracuse University...her book :: “The Ethics of Dissent” includes an entire chapter “ When a career public servant sues the agency he loves: Claude Ferguson, and off-road vehicles in the Hoosier National Forest”. Please bear with me and I do appreciate any help. Thank you!Solowalk (talk) 15:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

{{cite news | last = Hulen | first = David | title = Ferguson still battling bureaucracy but tired of waiting | newspaper = Indiana Daily Student | publication-place = Bloomington, Indiana, US}} => Hulen, David. "Ferguson still battling bureaucracy but tired of waiting". Indiana Daily Student. Bloomington, Indiana, US. Add the page number if you know it. Remember that sources do NOT need to be online, merely published and available to anyone prepared to travel or pay. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Solowalk: I've posted more detail about this on your user talk page, but basically you can propose any changes you think should be made by starting a discussion about them on at Talk:Claude Ferguson. There are other editors unconnected with the subject matter currently working on improving the article and bringing it more inline with relevant Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. This means that it's probably better for you to use the article's talk page to discuss things instead of directly adding content to the article yourself; these editors will try and help you and figure out what can be added and how to add it. Stuff which has been removed during the cleanup can always be re-added if the consensus is to do so. Be patient and give some others a chance to clean things up a bit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:00, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Marchjuly:Hi, I am learning from you and thank you again. Ok, I did a post on talk Claude Ferguson...not sure what I need to say. I will be patient and let others do the work, I was just so proud of myself when I was able to bring my fathers story to life on Wikipedia and trying to learn this format at my age. I want his story to be accurate and truthful and not one sided as suggested earlier.

Thanks Again!!Solowalk (talk) 23:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC

Solowalk (talk) 12:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)Hi, Cite for lawsuit and off road vehicle articles are in publication and online at: Rosemary O’Leary Syracuse University . and the book, . In addition: DDT Aerial Spraying faulty original diagnosis, cortisone use and problems arising from it, DRs and hospital names are cite. in published 1977 newspaper article... Indiana Daily Student, Bloomington, IN. This exists, I have the article. I need for someone to cite these for article since I cannot due to COI. Thanks so Solowalk (talk) 12:36, 24 June 2019 (UTC)much! Solowalk (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Need Editor Help : Claude Ferguson Article

Hi,

I need for someone to cite these for the article since I cannot due to COI ( I just learned about this).

Cite for lawsuit and off road vehicle articles are in publication and online at: Rosemary O’Leary Syracuse University . and the book, . In addition: DDT Aerial Spraying faulty original diagnosis, cortisone use and problems arising from it, DRs and hospital names are cite. in published 1977 newspaper article... Indiana Daily Student, Bloomington, IN. This exists, I have the article.. Thanks so much! There are also a ot of other article under the reference section. I am just learning so I appreciate not ne judged to harshly. I previously posted in teahouse a few days ago..unable to make changes. Thanks again! Carla — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solowalk (talk • contribs) 12:44, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Solowalk:, did you try the talk page of the article? That is where a COI editor is supposed to suggest edits to the article in question. Usedtobecool ^✉️ ✨ 13:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

1. You've been shown how to format the Hulen citation at #unable to make changes above.
2. To make a reference you need <ref> and </ref>. The "/" is essential. I've added them for you above.
3. The Ethics of Dissent does not have enough information to make a citation.
4. Neither does When a Career Public Servant Sues the Agency He Loves: Claude Ferguson, the Forest Service Off-Road Vehicles in the Hoosier National Forest
5. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

References