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List of Beyoncé pop culture references

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Taking this to AFD since a PROD was contested. The page appears to violate WP:INDISCRIMINATE when bloated with lots of trivia and minor mentions of Beyoncé. We're not supposed to be a repository of whenever someone simply alludes to a celebrity or explicitly brings up their name, so I recommend deletion. That simply is a collection of fancruft. It also doesn't help that the list is full of inappropriate POV and tone. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, unnecessary collection of trivia. Not everything should be listed in this encyclopedia, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Its notable entries, if any, could be merged to Cultural impact of Beyoncé. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I thoroughly enjoyed researching to make this page (and I have to give thanks to the countless others who contributed and made tweaks), but the opposition (instead of constructive advice or actual editing) at every turn got annoying and you guys simply cannot make up your minds. This page actually began as part of the page Cultural impact of Beyoncé, but was recommended to be spun off in another discussion. Here we are again. I know I will see a similar "repository" in a few months' time for some other artist with none of the opposition, and the same users commenting here will be willing to work or provide advice to improve POV and tone there instead of merely complaining about it. C'est la vie. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 02:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I appreciate the effort of page's creator to collect info and sort it. However, I also agree this is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. A category would be useful. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 04:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Cultural impact of Beyoncé. Strong oppose to outright deletion, per WP:ATD-R. There is no need to nuke this, some content might be useful for the target. Ping Apoxyomenus - you may want to reconsider delete vs redirect here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trainsskyscrapers @Bluesatellite I actually meant to ping only Train... but why not, everyone, this does not need to be TNTed out of history. Redirecting is exactly what is needed here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not seeing any point in that when few if any of the listings are even worth mentioning there. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenteman

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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly referenced as passing WP:NMUSIC.
As always, musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to pass certain specific inclusion criteria referenced to reliable sources -- but the only attempt at a notability claim here, the confusingly-worded "His Royal Majesty Nene Sakite II, Konor of Manya Krobo - Ghana honours Kenteman and Queen Asabia Cropper" under an honours and awards header, is supported only by a reference that just says he was "acknowledged" alongside his sister for an award presented to her, at a festival that isn't prominent (or music-oriented) enough to pass WP:NMUSIC #8 in and of itself.
And the article is referenced entirely to sources in which he's a secondary tag-along in coverage about the sister, with absolutely no sources that are about Kenteman in his own right shown at all.
Further, this has already been sandboxed in draftspace, before being moved right back into mainspace by its creator with only minimal attempt at improvement, so just resandboxing it again would have to be discussed and would probably require move protection.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a stronger notability claim than just existing, and better referencing for it than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Terry Blade

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Nominated on behalf of a non-autoconfirmed user claiming to be the article subject:

Does not meet Wikipedia criteria for notability BladeTerry (talk) 01:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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I am the subject of this article, Terry Blade.
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I am the subject of this article: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Terry_Blade. I don't think it meets the notability criteria for an article on Wikipedia. The article is semi-protected. I'd like to request that an editor nominate it for deletion please? BladeTerry (talk) 01:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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Keep. There are enough sources here to merit an article per WP:GNG. The context of this AFD attempt is that I created a sockpuppet case page at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Roberteditor, tying together a bunch of IPs and some socks that have been editing the Terry Blade bio and related pages. Two hours and change later, User:BladeTerry registered the username to delete the bio. My guess is that the history of socking is what BladeTerry wants deleted. Binksternet (talk) 08:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Justo Lamas

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I cannot find evidence of Lamas' notability as a singer nor for his company which is a worthwhile educational initiative but doesn't appear notable. Coverage appears to be churnalism that is otherwise non independent. There are a lot of hits noting one of the company's artists is performing and some related to someone else of this name, but I cannot find anything of depth. Star Mississippi 04:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mark Gillespie (English singer)

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Subject appears to fail GNG and WP:MUSIC. A web search for sources found only other singers with the same name, and promotional materials for the "Kings of Floyd" tribute band. The article has a long history and has periodically been stubbed due to a lack of sources. Uninvited Company 20:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aryan Hasan

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Not enough notability to warrant a standalone article, at least not at this time. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:04, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. non notable actor. The sources in the article say it all. Mekomo (talk) 13:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Totally Non-notable actor and singer, does not have any coverage in any reliable source. I have fixed the citations, it's only three. Actor played small roles in the notable films, that does not proves notability. Taabii (talk) 13:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elips

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Article about unnotable armenian band without sources. I was unable to find any information about it on the internet. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 14:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:BAND and WP:SIGCOV. I doubt there will be any significant coverage in the future, either. Beachweak (talk) 15:14, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG

Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unsourced since 2010 when it was created, and tagged for lack of sources since 2012, nothing has improved since then and there is nothing to improve it even now. Mekomo (talk) 13:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seowon (singer)

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Failed WP:GNG, WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER with no WP:SIGCOV for individual notability other than passing mentions from Unis-related reportings including but not limited to her "about"-type reporting as part of Unis's promotional debut-related reportings from WP:BEFORE. Suggesting a hard delete (a fresh redirect could be created again, if necessary, without history) since an exact Draft:Seowon (singer) created by the same editor already exists. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, sources are very poor. Also not notable enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParvatPrakash (talk • contribs) 06:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom - Jjpachano (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Howdy & The Sunset Serenaders

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Article for a likely non-notable band that appears to have been created by a member of the band. Based off a WP:BEFORE search, there is possibly significant coverage of the band, but only from a run-of-the-mill local news article and a site that exclusively covers local music from the band's hometown. Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Keller Welton, a band member made it.This0k (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jms Brynt

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Very minor, likely non-notable SoundCloud/Bandcamp musician. Based off the sources, the article probably meets WP:SIGCOV, however these are articles which themselves either imply that the subject is not notable or only note that the artist has released music. For example, the Earmilk source describes him as an "artist to watch". Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - GoodMusicRadar doesn't have any author credits or seemingly that much info on the ownership, Earmilk appear to be a more professional operation and there was an article on it until literally a few days ago, the Cultr piece lists an author with no bio and I can find no info on the ownership on site (if anyone knows if its reliable, please tell) Iostn (talk) 19:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Kade

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non-notable musician, sourced entirely to blackhat SEO and the same "source". GRINCHIDICAE🎄 16:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, There's reporting on him from The New Times and so I added it in and he seems like a notable musician in Rwanda. He has a good career as a musician being both a solo artist and being reported by The New Times is very remarkable. Vikingsam (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The New Times is giving me pause; it feels like the coverage in Indian or Nigerian media, where it seems everyone is a superstar, but no one else bothers to report on their accomplishments. Way too many hits in the one newspaper for this to be a coincidence... Feels like a PROMO. I'm happy to be proven incorrect, but that's the impression I'm getting. Oaktree b (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph Fitzmartin

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In my WP:BEFORE I couldn't find any significant coverage in reliable sources. Much of the coverage that there was was related to the subject's role as musical director of the Keystone State Boychoir, and only passing mention at that. I couldn't find any critical reviews of the Concert Mass that is referred to in the article, although its premiere was at Carnegie Hall [1]. I therefore propose that the notability bar is not met, and that the content should be merged into the Keystone State Boychoir article (not that that itself is without problems!) with a Redirect from this article. SunloungerFrog (talk) 23:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Xêro Abbas

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Semi-advertorialized ("on his return he kissed his land and this attitude of his was welcomed by the people with great enthusiasm and love") WP:BLP of a musician not properly sourced as passing WP:NMUSIC. As always, musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show certain specific markers of achievement supported by reliable sourcing -- but this essentially just claims that he exists, expresses his significance in terms of flowery fluff like the quote I highlighted above rather than quantifiable achievements, and is referenced solely to a single unreliable source rather than any WP:GNG-worthy coverage. And the interlangs to the Arabic and Kurdish Wikipedias also don't feature any other reliable sourcing that could be pulled over to salvage this: the Kurdish one cites only the same unreliable source, while the Arabic one cites one different primary source and one circular citation to the Kurdish Wikipedia, neither of which are valid support for notability either.
As I can't read the Arabic or Kurdish languages, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody who can read those languages is able to find sufficient GNG-worthy coverage to salvage this and neutralize the advertorialism, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Scott Gendel

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This article has been marked as unnotable since April 2017. After checking the revision history of this article, I noticed that there were no significant improvements. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~: Reference 10, plus this article: [2], should be enough to establish notability. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an article. It's an advertisement. In a shop. Selling his product. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You got me, I didn't realize that was a commercial site. Striking my Keep and going with weak delete (weak because I still stand by reference 10). WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 13:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per User:SolxrgashiUnited, fails WP:GNG and WP:COMPOSER. GeorgiaHuman (talk) 04:11, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I did a Google search, and from what I can tell, his version of Barbara Allen makes him almost a one hit wonder. That's it. Bearian (talk) 04:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shugavybz

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Yet another article on a musician who has done literally nothing notable to pass WP:NMUSICIAN. Sources from here and a cursory search suggests nothing useful. They're either interviews with the subject, or routine coverages that are entirely dependent on the subject. This is, as usual, a properly written article from the author on a non-notable musician to pretend notability. Also, the TurnTable Certification System of Nigeria is dubious in its entirety. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Most of the sources are either puff pieces that are meant to confer notability on him or interviews. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Has written more than one major hit record, automatically meets WP:COMPOSER, just like a scriptwriter or director who has directed multiple award-winning movies. Even if he doesn't pass GNG, but passes WP:FILMS, he automatically establishes notability. Likewise he passes WP:ANYBIO, with a special recognition from The Recording Academy as a composer. One last thing, I would say the coverage for example [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], add up to a GNG pass, with an extensive list of production and songwriting credits from "No Girlfriend No Problem", "Away", "One Side", "Yawa No Dey End", "My Baby", and many more.--Afí-afeti (talk) 09:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asad Ahmed

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Reliable sources lack in-depth coverage of this subject, with only three cited in the article. Two of these are questionable and potentially unreliable, leading me to conclude that the subject does not satisfy WP:GNG. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep likely meets WP:GNG. Some of these should help: [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]. Thank you. Gheus (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s quite obvious that you have marked this for deletion because you are jealous. Anyone who grew up in the 80s in Karachi will say that Asad was one of the pioneers of rock music in Pakistan. 2601:155:27F:FE40:69DD:37CD:EF82:703 (talk) 23:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Gheus. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The musician looks notable, but a cleanup and rewriting is very much required with better inline citations. Zuck28 (talk) 21:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timōrātus

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Sources are WP:QS and extremely bloggy and they don't adequately support WP:GNG. I suggest deleting it. Graywalls (talk) 06:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: the HM reference is good, and the Lloyd Harp IVM review would be pending on the outcome of the RFC regarding IVM. that's two sources, and we'd want three or four. I'm going to take a look before I make a decision.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 10:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The only other coverage I can find that would be RS is from The Metal Resource, and it's mostly reviews. I think for now notability is definitely questionable.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Nobody is questioning the fact they exist. So the sources do reliably prove it exists. I'm satisfied with that. Graywalls (talk) 17:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Okay.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable. This0k (talk) 22:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speed Niggs

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Only found sources in German-language zines which are likely unreliable. Opening this rather than a PROD on the possibility that someone with access to a German-specific archive could find more on this band than I did, but seeing as all the sources I saw were already German I have my doubts. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sophie Moleta

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. I found this article because Moleta redirects here and I wanted to determine whether it should be a disambiguation or if Moleta (kgosi) should be the main subject. Searching suggests this is a run-of-the-mill musician. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep -- there are four sources fully cited in this article talking about her. They appear to be reliable, secondary, and independent sources; the two I've managed to access myself provide significant coverage and I assume the others do as well, particularly the news article in The West Australian with her name in it. That's three GNG-qualifying sources right there. Quoting, GNG is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." -- just because the sources in the article were not linked does not mean they do not exist. Whether a person seems "run-of-the-mill" is irrelevant as long as they pass GNG; and if you read the news articles which were cited in the article at the time of the nomination she does have a somewhat interesting style.

I would make this a strong keep if I could track down the URL for the West Australian article, but I can't currently. Probably searches are failing because the news source does not keep archives from 2001. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relatedly I think it will likely need to be a disambiguation page -- the kgosi while arguably more historically significant is likely much more obscure. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Ref 2 is significant (partially interview based but with more than sufficient additional coverage); ref 4 is the same author in the same source a couple of months later with a cut down para about a live appearance, so I don't give that particular weight. There's basically a paragraph of review included at De Morgen[21] (the article covers releases from multiple bands/muso )- it looks like this is the same as ref 3 since it's the only mention of her in the archives. Ref 2 (GTranslated) suggests that she has had more success in France than elsewhere, however she has hardly any appearances on French sites currently. The West Australian smells like an interview and/or a festival appearance (Kulcha was WA's multicultural arts body), but would need someone with access to the archive to check. I can't see any other reviews around for her albums including via sampling archive snapshots of her website. In the absence of additional reviews -- particularly for her other work -- I think that a case can be made that her album Dive weakly meets WP:NALBUM (the Liberation and De Morgen articles, plus two of its songs were in the soundtrack for Pretty Things (2001 film)), that her albums other than Dive are clearly non-notable, and that she does not meet WP:NMUSICIAN. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 05:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Morrisson (singer)

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Musician and radio DJ. The claims of notability are a #15 Hot Dance Airplay song in 2006, and one of his songs playing at a club scene in an episode of a NBC TV show. Neither of these meet WP:NMUSIC. All content edits are by two accounts that never edited anything else on Wikipedia (except a deleted draft article on his band). One reference is to the charts for the #15 hit, the other is vague and to a magazine that mentions a lot of musicians in passing. Here2rewrite (talk) 18:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Radio, Television, and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Meets criteria 2 of WP:SINGER for charting on a national music chart. No coverage other than a chart listing though... Unfortunately WP:LINKROT is a very real issue from 2006. It might be rescuable on sourcing grounds if we were to look at music magazine/newspaper coverage offline or behind paywalls. 4meter4 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The national music chart for the US is the main billboard chart, not Hot Dance Airplay. Here2rewrite (talk) 16:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. Historically at AFD we have interpreted all Billboard chart categories under criteria 2 of WP:MUSICBIO because they are all "national in scope".4meter4 (talk) 20:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have sourced the PDF of Billboard that verifies the charting and added it as an inline citation. There is coverage of his radio career on SFGate:[22] and also here. Potentially a keep, needs further work. ResonantDis_tortion 20:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are brief mentions, single sentences that say when his radio program airs a quote from him in an article about something else. With the right news archive search there are dozens of results like that for any local DJ. --Here2rewrite (talk) 21:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well yes, obviously, and is why I agreed with 4meter4 and stated there is potential, but did not !vote a firm keep (pending any further developments). ResonantDis_tortion 23:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No independent coverage in RS. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 16:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways (talk) 23:15, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Content seems promotional. I also did not find significant coverage in reliable sources. Alan Islas (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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