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October 14

List of wedding guests of Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank

Ref number 2 is in red please fix if able. Thanks175.33.45.21 (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted your edit (as you could have done with the "undo" button) so that you can get it right next time. The "title" parameter in the reference citation is for the title, not for the URL. To remind you yet again,if an error message in red has the word "help" in blue, that is a wikilink to specific help. In this case the link is to Help:CS1 errors#param has ext link. While you're at it, remember that the "publisher" parameter is for the publisher; the date belongs in the "date" parameter. Just to remind you, if you are confused about the parameters, look at Template:Cite web#Parameters. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

My facebook acount displaed

I want to get back may facebook acount — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.156.111.182 (talk) 03:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

This is the Help Desk for editing Wikipedia. We have no connection with Facebook. This may be helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Minor edit __ Adi Shankara __ protected

Phrase "as is now" Grimes argue that "there is still a likelihood that

Proposed Grimes argues, "there is still a likelihood that

I feel the proposed phrase is easy to read.

NoonSol (talk) 07:19, 14 October 2018 (UTC)NoonSol

The current text is 'Nevertheless does Grimes argue that "there is still a likelihood that ..."'. That is clumsy, arguably it is not even correct English. But the right place to discuss a proposed change is Talk:Adi Shankara. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Review pending edits

I used to have a power which allowed me to accept or reject a "pending" edit to an article. I was under the impression that such pending edits no longer happen, making the power moot. But today I see a bunch of pending edits at Victoria School of Management, and I am offered the options "Accept revision" and "Unaccept revision". However when I click on one of the buttons nothing happens. Maproom (talk) 08:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

They're the disguised homoeopathy and acupuncture buttons. -Roxy, in the middle. wooF 09:20, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Pending changes protection was trialled from June 2010 to May 2011, and was made permanent in December 2012. The buttons did not do anything because the revision was automatically accepted, however, if the revision was not they would revert, accept or unaccept the revision. --Danski454 (talk) 09:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You may want to read WP:PC for more information. --Danski454 (talk) 09:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Template component with no content

Template:Divbox/style/gamessage was just now in CAT:CSD: a few minutes after creating it, the creator blanked it, so it easily qualifies for G7, "If the sole author blanks a page, this can be taken as a deletion request". But templates sometimes depend on little components in surprising ways, and I don't speak MediaWiki Templatese. Does this component perform any tasks that might be affected by its deletion? [For example, maybe it's used between items that should appear together, yet if they literally occur together, they have an undesired effect, comparable to two pairs of tildes in a user-talk template that's supposed to apply a signature automatically.] I've declined the speedy for safety's sake, but if this component really isn't doing anything, I'll happily delete it. Nyttend (talk) 11:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Nyttend, it has no transclusions so no Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:57, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

My confusion lies in the difficulty of finding "conditional" uses [my own term], e.g. if |2=sampletext1, transclude this component, while if not, don't transclude it. Does WhatLinksHere show a transclusion in such a case, even though the component isn't transcluded by default? Nyttend (talk) 12:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

How do I create a new article in my sandbox which has a redirect page ?

Greetings. I have created a page on Micheline Maylor and now want to create a second page. There is a "redirect" to Micheline's page and I am not sure how to start a second article. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffkov (talk • contribs) 14:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jeffkov: I've deleted the redirect in User:Jeffkov/sandbox; you can now use the sandbox to draft a new article. You can do this yourself whenever you want to clear the sandbox. Deor (talk) 15:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

How to remove myself from certain languages of Wikipedia?

Someone got to know my password and has added me for some reason to the Indonesian, Ukrainian and other languages of Wikipedia. How could I remove myself from those languages? How can I see at all, to which languages I was added? Thank you! --Florofill (talk) 16:47, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I've blocked your account as compromised; If they know your password, they can access any version of Wikipedia. Please see WP:COMPROMISED for information on what to do. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) and also @331dot:: It is probably nothing nefarious. Any time you click on a link to another language's Wikipedia, even inadvertently (most articles have direct links to other languages) an account there is created for you. For example, I have accounts on 58 other Wikipedias, and can't recall ever visiting most of them. You can see all your accounts by going here: [1] and putting your account name in the search box. Accounts cannot be deleted, but there's no harm in their existence. Crow^Caw 16:55, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Karl Haushofer

Might I suggest that the References and Bibliography be updated by the first work in English on Haushofer:

Holger H. Herwig, The Demon of Politics: How Karl Hofer "Educated" Hitler and Hess (Rowman & Littlefield 2016). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.233.103 (talk) 17:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Please feel free to do this. If you are not comfortable doing it yourself, then use the article's talk page to make suggested edits, but we prefer that you just be bold and edit the article. We are all volunteers here, and each of the 100,000 or so editors who have been active during the last 30 days just does whatever tasks we choose to do. You have as much right and responsibility to do this as any of us. -Arch dude (talk) 23:08, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Your accusing me of vandalism is disgusting and pure bullying. Obviously, you are overzealous and enjoy upsetting people.

Your accusing me of vandalism is disgusting and pure bullying. Obviously, you are overzealous and enjoy upsetting people.

You maliciously removed my sincere and authentic contributions.

I can only put it down to spite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mauve Peace (talk • contribs) 17:36, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mauve Peace, I have no idea who the "your" is it that you refer to, but I think I can cast some light on the problem. All your contributions so far have been to add mentions of books to articles and you include links to a bookseller website. Such links are frequently seen as a form of advertising, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. When you reference a book you should avoid links to book sellers or any other site that is promoting the book. Rather just cite the book itself without any links. I'll post a welcome message to your talk page with links to pages with further guidance. Welcome to Wikipedia. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Mauve Peace, all of your edits were to add exactly the same book to five different articles - are you trying to promote this book? - Arjayay (talk) 18:20, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

And is there a connection here with the author, I wonder? ——SerialNumber54129 18:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Not so. (Unless it is possible to be more than one person.) I often follow up literary references on wiki. I have seen lists of relevant books on many wikipedia articles.

I didn't realise links are not allowed, so shan't do it in future.

However, I note it seems t be OK for others to put up links.

Mauve Peace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mauve Peace (talk • contribs) 19:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

No, it's not OK for others either. If you see any advertising links, just remove them. Dbfirs 19:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mauve Peace. I'm sorry you've had a disappointing experience: there is a lot to learn in editing Wikipedia, and we are constantly attacked by vandals and spammers. We have a policy of Assume good faith, but sometimes people can jump to a wrong conclusion.

I'll nuance the preceding answers a little: citing relevant books from reputable publishers is encouraged. (Self-published books less so: we'd need to be sure they're relevant, and we'd be very cautious if it was the author or publisher of the book adding the reference). The important part of a citation is the bibliographic information, which should allow any reader in principle to find a copy of the book (eg via a major public library). An online link is a helpful convenience, but it must not be to a commercial site: a link to Google Books, or the catalogue entry in a major library, is OK (especially if the text is viewable somewhere!) but not to Amazon or Ebay.

Ideally, all information in an article is cited to a reliable published source (on-line or not), and referencing for beginners explains how to do that. A more extended bibliography is sometimes appropriate, but any links in it should follow the guidelines in external links.

@Mauve Peace: Just to clarify: 1) links to books are often acceptable. You should use the ISBN or DOI of the book. Do not link to a bookseller, not even to Amazon. We sometimes use the term "vandalism" when reverting an edit due to non-compliance with our guidelines, even when this term is not precise. This is especially true when using semi-automated tools. A link to a bookseller is more properly called "linkspam". (see WP:LINKSPAM). There are frequently hundreds of non-policy-compliant edits per day, and the editors who try to fix them are therefore in a hurry. Please start by assuming good faith (see WP:AGF). 3) Before you start removing material, please make sure you understand the guidelines, and that you are clear on the distinction between a link to a book and a link to a bookseller. And thanks for offering to help. -Arch dude (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, lesson well and truly learnt.  :)

Mauve Peace (talk) 21:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Valid reference issue

Hi. I intended to create a page related to the personality Teal Swan, since the existent Wikiglobal and swedish Wikipedia pages (translated by Google Translate) are highly biased (probably created by her haters - should be reviewed in perspective). However, the main issue I encountered was that there is no "valid" reference, if I were to make a page, namely there are no books written about her nor new york times articles (which I read are the only valid form of reference). Instead, the only existent information is her own books and website , along with blog entries (which are admittedly invalid). In this case, what do you think should be done? I noticed that the other pages about her (and others about personalities) also used as reference blogs and websites, which makes me question whether this is possible in this situation. Thanks a lot in advance! Connectingtosource (talk) 18:30, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Books and NYT articles are, of course, not the only valid form of references. Anything that is independent and reliable will do. If coverage in sources like this is deemed significant, then we can have an article.

What to do about the other articles? In principle, all language editions of Wikipedia have their own rules, so you'll have to check with them. Start on the article Talk page. I don't know who wiki-global are or who writes their articles; they're not affiliated with Wikipedia. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Text about Stephen Marney in Dada Vujasinović

Hi, the article about Dada Vujasinović shows text about a certain Stephen Marney right after the {{Authority control}}, but I can't figure out where that comes from in the edit source. Any idea how to get rid of it? Thanks.--goth nespresso 23:55, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Goth nespresso: It was added by an inappropriate modification to {{Europe-journalist-stub}}, which has since been removed. -Arch dude (talk) 02:22, 15 October 2018 (UTC)