Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of winners of the Chicago Marathon

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 21:50, 7 March 2009 [1].

List of winners of the Chicago Marathon

Nominator(s): TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM)

I am nominating this for featured list because I have finally taken the time to split this off properly. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from KV5

Comments from KV5

"The United States has been represented by the most winners (8 men and 12 women).[4][5] After a sixth conecutive win by a Kenyan man in 2008, Kenyan men have won more times (9) than men representing any other country.[4][5] The United Kingdom is in third place among both men (5) and women (3) as well as overall.[4][5]"

"conecutive" - "consecutive"

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All of the numbers should be written out. Only one number is over ten requiring a numeral per MOSNUM; the majority are below ten and twelve is a one-word number, so these should all be spelled out.

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the lead, you link Brazil but no other countries. All or nothing on this front.

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Way too many redlinks, both in the lead and in the list. Remove some of these or, better yet, create stubs.
- Delinked.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Deena Kastor in 2005 is the last victor from the host nation" - consider a re-word, it looks like "Deena Kastor in 2005" is a person in the current format.
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest removing the ampersands from the lead; it creates a higher professional standard of writing.
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"the last American-born male winner was Greg Meyer" - follow by a comma
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"There have been several two-time winers" - "winners"
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"(couting Khannouchi, five men and six women)." - "counting"
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"No one other than Khannouchi has won three races and not even Khannouchi has won three consecutive." - re-word. This makes it sound like an impossible, god-like task.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"There have been two male and two female world records in the race" - change to "set in the race".
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The most recent world record was by Paula Radcliffe" - was set by, and add comma after Radcliffe.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The picture of Evans Cheruiyot does not show up on my system.
- Try changing browsers.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Picture captions should only end in a period if they are complete sentences.

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than putting "15 years old" in the table for Laura Michalek, make it a footnote at the end to save space.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I actually meant in a footnote section at the end of the table, but it works in the lead too. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have a 1152x864 monitor resolution at work and the table is still cramped; I can only imagine what it looks like on a 1024x768. Something needs to be done to fix this, either an adjustment of the table width, an adjustment of the image sizes, or consolidating information.
- I resized the images.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The list must be categorized. Also, are there any appropriate external links per WP:EL or navboxes to include in this article?
- Do you want the same navboxes as are at Chicago Marathon? I thought peer review excluded lists? I added four cats (three copied from Chicago Marathon).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The two winners' navboxes would do quite nicely. Peer review doesn't exclude lists; I've taken several through there myself. I will come back later to do another once-over, no time at work right now. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 20:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The following is a list of Chicago Marathon Champions.[4][5]" - remove this. We know from the title.
- What do I do with the refs?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Make them general references; split the references section into general references and in-text citations using semicolon headers (see current FL Philadelphia Phillies seasons for an example). KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider a peer review next time to catch the copyediting issues. Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 18:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all other concerns resolved to my satisfaction. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 12:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

~~Oppose/~~Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) -- Prose/Formatting issues

Lead

The Chicago Marathon, which will next be held on October 11, 2009,[1] is one of the five World Marathon Majors. -- The statement about the 2009 event really stands out, especially being the introductory sentence. I recommend moving it further down the lead.
- What about this?--TRU CO 23:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Once again, what about this comment?--TRU CO 00:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sorry.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since 1983, it has been held in October every year. -- Reword to Since 1983, it has been held annually in October.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The United States has been represented by the most winners (eight men and twelve women) -- Unlink United States, per WP:LINKS, common geographical terms should not be linked.
- ~~Do you want to all countries delinked. The respondent comment wanted all or none.~~--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
After a sixth consecutive win by a Kenyan man in 2008, Kenyan men have won more times (nine) than men representing any other country. -- Like I stated above, Kenya is a common geographical term, remove link
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The United Kingdom is in third place among both men (five) and women (three) as well as overall. -- (1)As state above, unlink United Kingdom (2)Reword to The United Kingdom is in third place overall among both men (five) and women (three).
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried a slightly different rewording.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All four of Brazil's victors have been male,[4] and all three of Portugal's winners have been female. -- You have several options here, reword the gender part of the sentence to "have been a male", "have been males", or "have been men" (this applies to the females as well)
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Runners representing the United Kingdom swept the race in 1996 (Paul Evans and Marian Sutton). -- For one, unlink United Kingdom per above, second, it shouldn't even be linked twice per WP:OVERLINK.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The first six pairs of races were swept by the United States.[6] Runners representing the United Kingdom swept the race in 1996 (Paul Evans and Marian Sutton).[7] Kenya has swept the race twice (1998 and 2001) and is the most recent country to do so with (Ben Kimondiu and Catherine Ndereba). -- Repetition of swept, please reword accordingly.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kenya has swept the race twice (1998 and 2001) and is the most recent country to do so with (Ben Kimondiu and Catherine Ndereba). -- (1)Comma before the and (before the parenthesis) (2)the last part should be "to do so with representative Ben Kimondiu and Catherine Ndereba." [the original was grammatically incorrect.
- Adding a comma would improperly conjoin the phrases. It would indicate that the latter is independent, but the latter has no subject and is thus dependent on the former. As a result no comma.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
..who is also the most recent American male to have won the Boston Marathon. -- why is this relevant to this list?
- Removed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the second and third paragraphs into one, they are too short to stand alone.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There have been several two-time winners (counting Khannouchi, five men and six women) -- Reword to There have been several two-time winners including Khannouchi, five men and six women.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No one other than Khannouchi has won three races and no one has won three consecutive. -- Did Khannouchi win these consecutively? If so, the way this is written does not state that, it should then be "No one other than Khannouchi has won three races or three consecutively."
- It means to say that Khannouchi is the only runner who has won three but not consecutively.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well consecutive should be "consecutively"--TRU CO 23:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1979 winner Laura Michalek was just 15 years old. -- This statement just stands out in the paragraph about the world records, it should be moved somewhere more suitable.
- O.K. How do you like the current placement?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would state what country she is from as it is not clear in its current wording.--TRU CO 23:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There have been two male and two female world records set in the race. The United Kingdom has had both a male and a female world record in Chicago. The most recent world record was set by Paula Radcliffe, who succeeded Catherine Ndereba as a world record holder in 2002.[3] Khannouchi set the last male world record in the Chicago Marathon in 1999.[3] After Ndereba set the record in 2001, both the men's and women's current marathon world records had been set in the Chicago Marathon. -- It would help the reader if they actually knew what the records were for.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - This was only done to one, the latter need to be stated as well.--TRU CO 23:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Winners

The following is a list of Chicago Marathon Champions. -- Yeah, I think the reader is aware of that, no need to state that.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is an error with the sorting of the date column.
- There was a partial date that I have fixed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The blank entries of 1987 should also have emdashes that are centered aligned versus a blank cell.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Country Summary

The Summary in the name of the header should not be capitalized.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The following table summarizes victors by country. -- The reader is aware of that, no need to state it.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No need for the refs, it will be covered by the general references.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

Since a footnote will be added and a general reference will be added, this section should be renamed to References
- This is against MOS. References is for a separate section from the footnotes, which belong in the Notes section.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Link to Bank of America since other publishers are linked as well.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Caption: The 2007 men's race was extremely close. -- This is WP:POV, rewrite something else.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Caption: 2005 winner Felix Limo in 2007 race -- Reword to 2005 winner Felix Limo in the 2007 event.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reword this 2006 winner Robert Cheruiyot in 2008 accordingly as well (like stated)TRU CO 22:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The references, [4] and [5], should be made into general references, see the reference section of this FL on how to complete this.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - This wasn't done. --TRU CO 00:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - They are in the external links section.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - That's not the same thing as referencing. See the reference section in this FL. That's how it should be formatted.--TRU CO 16:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        You need to add an accessdate to the general references.--TRU CO 17:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The 1987 entry is awkward, can a footnote be added explaining what this means.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - In addition, the correct wording should be "ran as a half marathon" or "ran as half a marathon". Plus, for my original comment, I meant a add a footnote explaining what this means or why this occurred not add a reference footnote.--TRU CO 16:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Is it as you requested now?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I copyedited it a bit, but its fine.--TRU CO 22:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards. --TRU CO 22:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The year and date columns of the table need to be combined. You may want to try {{dts}}.
- I am not sure about this template, but I combined the columns.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - For 2008-10-12 just make it {{dts|2008|10|12}}, which reads as October 12, 2008 and is sortable.
    - It is sortable on my browser (Firefox) now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Retry the hyphens for 1987 with a footnote and a dash.
- Can you be more clear.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry. Change "-ran as half marathon-" to a dash centered in the cell and move the footnote from the date to next to the dash.
    - I can not figure out how to format footnote next to dash.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Very good to me overall. Reywas92^Talk 03:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support Great job! Reywas92 ^Talk 02:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"by ~~both~~ men and women"
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The next edition of the race will be held on October 11, 2009,[5]" Is this an incomplete thought?
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Use symbols to accompany the colors per WP:COLORS.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer if you used the US date format instead of ISO in the table.
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note 11 should have a period at the end. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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