Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of heads of state of Gabon/archive2
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 06:54, 28 July 2008 [1].
previous FLC (06:15, 22 June 2008)
All the concerns of the previous FLC that could be humanly addresed have. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 17:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I have to oppose to this list based on the number of entries in the table. My suggestion is to make an article about head of state of Gabon and write in prose about these four commanders.--Crzycheetah 21:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've never seen this before. Could you explain how I could write this? As fas as I know, number of entries isn't a featured list criteria. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You could talk about what powers the head of the state has, how he is elected, who are his assistants, what he is responsible for. Talk in more detail about each of these leaders. As for the WP:WIAFL, this list violates the very first sentence; this list does not exemplify our very best work.--Crzycheetah 21:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How does this not exemplify our very best work? It's short-there's nothing I can do about that. And as I've said, in the "list of heads of state" series, this has never been attempted before. The concensus seems to be that it should stay in this format. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 22:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A list of four names with images cannot exemplify our very best work. This page may come close to being our very best work would be if/when more information is added. I already listed what exactly you can do about a short list.--Crzycheetah 22:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How does this not exemplify our very best work? It's short-there's nothing I can do about that. And as I've said, in the "list of heads of state" series, this has never been attempted before. The concensus seems to be that it should stay in this format. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 22:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You could talk about what powers the head of the state has, how he is elected, who are his assistants, what he is responsible for. Talk in more detail about each of these leaders. As for the WP:WIAFL, this list violates the very first sentence; this list does not exemplify our very best work.--Crzycheetah 21:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've never seen this before. Could you explain how I could write this? As fas as I know, number of entries isn't a featured list criteria. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I must agree with Crzycheetah above in that this article is too small for the subject it discusses. This article is the only Wikipedia article that is meant to provide an in-depth explanation of the Gabonese executive branch of government. As such, the article must provide more information about the Gabonese presidency, such as the President's role in politics or how he is elected (just as Crzycheetah said above). It's not impossible to make this list become a featured list; you just have to add more information.--Dem393 (talk) 22:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It does have an article that provides an in-depth explanation about the Gabonese executive branch; that is Politics of Gabon. This aims to be a list of the heads of state; nothing more, nothing less. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 23:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Politics of Gabon discusses the entire Gabonese government, not just the executive branch. Take the United States, for example. We have President of the United States and List of Presidents of the United States. The former discusses the office of president and the latter lists the presidents. For Gabon, there isn't enough information about the office of president. I doubt you could find enough info to warrant a separate article, so you could just add what you can to this list. If you still need even more info, you could then write about the executive branch in general. --Dem393 (talk) 01:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ironically you supported its last FLC Dem, but I too Oppose this list based on its length. Sorry. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 22:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I know that I supported it the last time, but now I've been here long enough to know what's expected in an FL. --Dem393 (talk) 22:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It does have an article that provides an in-depth explanation about the Gabonese executive branch; that is Politics of Gabon. This aims to be a list of the heads of state; nothing more, nothing less. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 23:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: As I've noted on numerous occasions, I don't see any reason why length should be considered relevant. Suggesting merging it into an article on the head of state of Gabon may be defensible, but handwaving about it not being Wikipedia's best work is not really reasonable opposition, IMO. I don't understand why some people don't believe short lists can be Wikipedia's "best work". FYI, I would define "best work" as "information arranged in as useful and articulate a manner as possible within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines" - how would those opposed on the basis of length define it? I'll also note that, as far as I am aware, there's no consensus on list length at FLC. Tuf-Kat (talk) 20:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - length is not far beyond a stub, a total of four entries, of which only three are unique, and five good value red links versus maybe ten good value blue links, this is far from our best work. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's really not fair for Gabon, just because they only had a fwew heads of state doesn't mean they can't have a list featured. Also note that no articles/lists in WP:GABON are above start-class. Compare this to pop culture/sports related articles. It's sad. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 20:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sad or not, a list which barely would scrape {{stub}} status (regardless of content) should not qualify for best of Wikipedia content. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This page should indeed be merged with a related article. Gary King (talk) 21:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's what I was thinking too. It's not the fact that this list is too short to be featured, it is too short to be an article/list. You could make a good list if merged with List of colonial heads of Gabon and List of heads of government of Gabon or merge with Politics of Gabon and make it a featured article. Garion96 (talk) 21:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This list is about the heads of state of Gabon after its independence. The latter describes, basically, Prime Ministers of Gabon, while the former is before independence. I could merge the former with this, but we only have the list after independence for List of Presidents of the United States. Perhaps we can make this some sort of "good" list? --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't necessarily have to look at the United States lists to see what should be done with this list. To merge the before independence list with this list would work I think. Garion96 (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This can be merged with one of the other lists and then renamed accordingly to adjust the scope. It doesn't have to follow suit with existing lists; as long as the format makes sense, then it should be doable. Also, Good lists have been discussed before, and consensus has usually been against it. Gary King (talk) 21:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't necessarily have to look at the United States lists to see what should be done with this list. To merge the before independence list with this list would work I think. Garion96 (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This list is about the heads of state of Gabon after its independence. The latter describes, basically, Prime Ministers of Gabon, while the former is before independence. I could merge the former with this, but we only have the list after independence for List of Presidents of the United States. Perhaps we can make this some sort of "good" list? --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's what I was thinking too. It's not the fact that this list is too short to be featured, it is too short to be an article/list. You could make a good list if merged with List of colonial heads of Gabon and List of heads of government of Gabon or merge with Politics of Gabon and make it a featured article. Garion96 (talk) 21:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This page should indeed be merged with a related article. Gary King (talk) 21:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sad or not, a list which barely would scrape {{stub}} status (regardless of content) should not qualify for best of Wikipedia content. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's really not fair for Gabon, just because they only had a fwew heads of state doesn't mean they can't have a list featured. Also note that no articles/lists in WP:GABON are above start-class. Compare this to pop culture/sports related articles. It's sad. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 20:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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