Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of basal eudicot families/archive1

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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of basal eudicot families

Featured list candidates/List of basal eudicot families/archive1

Nominator(s): - Dank (push to talk) 23:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The previous Featured LIsts in this list series are linked in the "See also" section; those lists and their WP:FLC discussions do a pretty good job of covering the story so far. Enjoy! - Dank (push to talk) 23:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ceoil: pinging per your request. I don't like to ping from the start because that might be seen as avoiding scrutiny from other reviewers ... but there's been more than enough time for scrutiny on this one :) - Dank (push to talk) 14:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And a second ping, @Ceoil, because I just remembered I don't entirely trust "[[User:X]]" as a ping. - Dank (push to talk) 14:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattximus, I see you're in and out, so no rush on this but: you offered in another FLC to review one of mine ... if you still want to do that, this might be the one you'll want ... it's shorter (just 16 rows) and easier than most of the others. If this one already has three reviews by the time you see this ping, then a good second choice would be WP:Featured list candidates/List of early-diverging flowering plant families/archive1 (whenever that link turns blue). - Dank (push to talk) 14:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Maile66, the answer to yesterday's Final Jeopardy! was "Sam Houston", which reminded me about your excellent work on Margaret Lea Houston ... and then I realized I hadn't bumped into you over here at FLC in a while. If you've got anything coming up that needs a review, please let me know. In the meantime ... you might be interested in this list series, and in this list in particular ... it's short! Like I said above, if this one gets 3 reviews before you get a chance to look at it, then a good second choice would be WP:Featured list candidates/List of early-diverging flowering plant families/archive1. - Dank (push to talk) 17:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dank, I did an image review for you below. Nice to be back over here. — Maile (talk) 23:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've always enjoyed your lists, I'll keep an eye out for them. - Dank (push to talk) 02:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've just created a navigation box and added it to the See also section. - Dank (push to talk) 15:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"But unlike the core eudicots, these orders sometimes" - I'd suggest not starting a sentence with "but"
"The national flower of India and Vietnam is the sacred lotus, and the floral emblem of the Australian state of New South Wales is the waratah." - I'd reverse this to "The sacred lotus is the national flower of India and Vietnam [etc]"
That's it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, both done. - Dank (push to talk) 21:11, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:36, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Telopea aspera inflorescence.JPG - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Arabis voch1-4.jpg - - on Commons, released to Public Domain
Dillenia indica Flower1-AD.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain
Dillenia indica - Elephant Apple at Kakkayam dam (4).jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain
Devils Strawberry (3278834731).jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain
Gunnera Magellanica.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Myrothamnus flabellifolius04.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Myrothamnus flabellifolius02.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Барбарис обыкновенный (лат. Berberis vulgaris) 1.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Berberis vulgaris kz03.jpg, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Staelen - Haus Caen 10 ies.jpg - on Commons,transferred from da.wikipedia to Commons.
Buxus-sempervirens.JPG - on Commons,transferred from da.wikipedia to Commons. Original uploader was Sten Porse at da.wikipedia
Circaeaster agrestis 7 Yunnan, China Photo Magnus Lidén.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain
Euptelea pleiosperma Olszanka chińska 2019-07-20 01.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Euptelea pleiosperma Olszanka chińska 2019-07-20 05.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Lardizabala biternata kz2.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Lardizabala biternata (flowers) Inao Vásquez 001 (cropped).jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain
Moonseed fruit 1.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Menispermum canadense, 2015-06-02, Frick Park, 02.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
GyodaAncientlotus.jpg- on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Fleur de lotus sacré.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
2020-06-08 Red poppies, Middle Street, Trimingham, Norfolk.JPG - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
20180518Papaver rhoeas2.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Platanus orientalis tree.JPG - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Fruits of Platanus orientalis.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
A Protea cynaroides King Protea Fynbos South Africa 3.JPG - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Flower-Protea01.jpg - - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
2021-04-28 14 46 25 Buttercups blooming in the grass median of Centreville Road in Oak Hill, Fairfax County, Virginia.jpg- on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Creeping buttercup during the Spring.jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Meliosma simplicifolia 10.JPG - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Meliosma simplicifolia - Simple-Leaved Meliosma at Periya 2018 (5).jpg - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Trochodendron aralioides 09072.JPG - on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer
Trochodendron aralioides 09071-2.jpg- on Commons, released to Public Domain by the photographer

Support -- Nice work, images all good. — Maile (talk) 20:35, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Sorry for the delay in the review, I've been quite ill over the past few weeks but I can do a review now:

What does " interrelated families " mean? How is it different than related? Are they a clade (share a common ancestor)? What exactly makes them "interrelated"?
- It was a coin toss for me whether "interrelated" or "related" was better ... I've changed it to "related". The basal eudicots (in the strict sense) don't make up a clade, they're sister groups. But I don't think it would help to say that; the term doesn't really mean much more than "related". - Dank (push to talk)
Along with the comment above, maybe a sentence on the evolutionary significance of "basal". I would assume this refers to early branches in plant evolution that more closely resemble early plants, but that would be my assumption only.
- The third paragraph says "basal in the usual sense (they diverged at an early stage from the other eudicots)". That's my understanding of what "basal" means, at least in this context.
"was cultivated thousands"-> do you mean was "first" cultivated? It is still cultivated in this region today.
- If I say "was first cultivated thousands of years ago in Mesopotamia", won't readers think that I'm saying that Mesopotamia was the first place it was cultivated? My sources don't say that, and they don't fix a time of first cultivation, either.
Perhaps you can add Edible to the Macadamia nut sentence. Every other sentence has a "function" for the plant, except this one. Or if there is a specific word for grow that relates exclusively to food, I just can't think of one now.
- I added "agriculturally"; agricultural nuts are generally grown for food or oil, and this also suggests the large scale of the operations.
Seems strange to place the order after the family in the arrangement of columns, but I don't want to interfere with the formats of other tables you've made. Consistency is important in an encyclopedia!
- I'm not following. Every list in this series is a "List of ... families". Whatever you're trying to make a list of generally goes in the first column at FLC ... doesn't it?
" not usually included in the basal eudicots," would be useful to explain why this is the case, otherwise it just sounds like a mystery.
- I've reworded it a little bit, see if that works.
Buxaceae is found in antarctica? Are you sure? :)
- Fixed.

Overall an excellent article! Mattximus (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Replies above. Hope you're feeling better! - Dank (push to talk) 00:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattximus? Anything else? - Dank (push to talk) 15:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support those are all the suggestions I could think of! Mattximus (talk) 14:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Chompy Ace

Support. What a near-perfect article! Also, if you have time would you care for reviewing the List of accolades received by Top Gun: Maverick regarding its featured list nomination? Chompy Ace 04:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much for looking at this one. You've got two supports already and one more has offered to review; if that third review turns out to be comprehensive, then you won't usually need a fourth review to get a promotion. The list looks good to me at a first glance; I'll take another look in a couple of weeks to make sure things are moving along, but at the moment, I'm not expecting any hold-ups. I'll be happy to review your next nomination. - Dank (push to talk) 10:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ceoil

Support. Up to the usual standard of research, writing and illustration. My structural comments on earlier noms in the series are all met here. Only quibble is re "cultivars of Buxus are used for hedges and topiary" - these or other orders are also used for cooking, baking and various carvings (I later read). Have tried over last few days to come up with better complaints, but you have hit a stride, and that's it for me. Have made trivial ces/dabs. Ceoil (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks kindly. I moved the "the high-quality wood is commonly used" sentence up to the introduction ... I hope that fixes it. You've done several reviews for me now ... let me know if I can help with any reviewing or writing for you. - Dank (push to talk) 02:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closing, promoted. --Pres N 03:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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