Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hero of Ukraine

Hero of Ukraine

Self-nom: After some positive comments from the Peer Review, I am ready to take this article to here. A total number of heroes is unknown, and shown in the lead and in the article, the list is full of questionable figures. Some bits are still being translated, but overall, I think it is ready for this. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I'll go through the Verkhovna Rada database and count all awards in 1998 - 2003 to get the total number as of today. Sashazlv 21:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

• Object. Poor English- needs a thorough copyedit. With a little more verbal buffing and fluffing, this would be a perfectly competent article. But what it lacks is any indication as to why I should be interested in the thing. For the purposes of FA criteria, you could file that under incomplete or not well written. Mark¹ 04:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
  • I am going through it now. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't see why User talk:Markalexander100 thinks it's incomplete or not well written. "Interesting" has a very different meaning. Sashazlv 02:53, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
    • And I cannot fix it to where he finds the subject interesting. I had the some people with people calling for my other FA Hero of Belarus to not be featured anymore since it is not interesting to most of the Wikipedian readers. I, along with Sashazlv and Irpen, try to introduce to this encyclopedia articles about Eastern European countries, countries that seem to be neglected by a majority of the Wikipedians here. While I, myself, am not a Eastern European national, but I am willing to introduce to this world a side of the world full of magic, history and mystery that everyone seems to ignore. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
      • I can't imagine why anyone would want to read this article. Not because I don't have a taste for articles about Ukrainian medals, but because this is not compelling, even "brilliant" prose. It's an article by numbers. I'm willing to believe that there is something interesting to say about the subject, but if so the article doesn't say it. Mark¹ 03:05, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

• • • • • To me, the article satisfies all six criteria in Wikipedia:What_is_a_featured_article. Given the comments by User:Markalexander100, I think he improperly substituted "interesting" for compelling, even "brilliant" prose. These are not the same. Besides, the criteria do not mention "interesting" at all, even more so, they do not mention that the article has to be "interesting to User:Markalexander100". Sashazlv 03:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support. I've given it some copyediting. Wikipedia needs more articles like this on non-english topics. Graham 08:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

• Weak object. It still needs to go through a few copyedit "cycles". I'll go through it myself in the next few hours. Sashazlv 21:47, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
  • What sections still need to be copyedited? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

References and external links. I also noticed that the style of the heading can be improved. BTW, total number of awards as of today is 142. See List of heroes of Ukraine for details. Sashazlv 22:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I added the 142 reference in the lead section. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 22:32, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

* Weak support. One pass through by a native speaker of English and it should be ready. Sashazlv 00:23, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

• • I will see what I can do later. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:59, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• I am still trying to fix the English of the article, but I agree it has improved a lot over time. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:33, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• I've gone through the article giving it a copyedit, and I have a few questions:

• Why is Mykhaylo D. Borysyuk wearing the medal on the left side of his chest?
  • He is wearing a miniature copy of the medal on his military uniform.
• In "Procedure", what's a "regional authority"?
  • Leaders of the various regions of the Ukraine.
• In "Design" (I just renamed it from "Construction"), I'm assuming that Ukranian law created one medal for each grade, making for a total of two medals.
  • Yes.
• In "Order of the Gold Star", do the dimensions of the ribbon also apply to the order of the state?
  • Yes.
• In "Questionable awardings", are Bartenev's legal problems related to the award?
  • To my knowledge, no, but I was pointing out an example that was printed in Ukrainian newspapers. The news source was the Embassy of the Ukraine in Estonia.

• Also, I'd like to suggest that the table of four images be moved to the "Design" section, and probably reduced in size. The image of the wearer's copy might be added to the table as well. Is there any information on why the award was created? Any controversy at the beginning (before this year)? Also, I think the "Display" section needs to be incorporated somewhere or expanded; it's really short. Great work on this article though! --Spangineer (háblame) 12:37, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks. The display section is short, because I explained on just how a person can display it in public, and that is all I could find. I will try and move the sections now. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 14:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
  • As for why, I have no clue. It took years for most Soviet republics to create an honors system, and titles were key in the honor system. Maybe, they were just following tradition. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 14:52, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
    • And I made display a subheading under the medal design section. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:05, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• Looks better now. Support. --Spangineer (háblame) 18:09, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Seems ready to go. Sashazlv 01:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support. A quality article. Well structured to the level that all it needs is a slight polishing which goes on right now at an excellent speed. Special thanks to the two main participants. Also, the underrepresentment of the topic should be a great plus in promotion decision. --Irpen 05:13, August 11, 2005 (UTC)