User talk:WilliamJE/Archive 3

U.S. Route 13 in Virginia

You shouldn't eliminate State Route 343 (Virginia pre-1928)/State Route 631 (Northampton County, Virginia) from U.S. Route 13 in Virginia just because it's a couple of redlinks. I'm not a big fan of redlinks either, but that doesn't mean they should be deleted when they're important to the articles somehow. In this case, it appears to be an old connecting spur from US 13.----DanTD (talk) 19:48, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Air India flight 829

Thank you for having the courtesy to notify me that you had proposed the article for deletion. I've said my piece at the AfD debate and won't be commenting further. I've also added the correct AfD category (P = Places and transportation) so that the discussion shows in the relevant AfD discussion area. Mjroots (talk) 22:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I note you've been cleaning up following the deletion. Would you mind adding List of aircraft by tail number to your "to do" list when doing such maintenance following AfD deletions. I've done Air India 829 already. Mjroots (talk) 11:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

AeroUnion Flight 302

"Where is the accident report that says windshear caused this crash?" It didn't cause the crash but it was a factor in it. That info is on the report in Spanish to which there is a link from the article.

BTW, congratulations for surviving Cancer. You and fellow survivors inspire others. Antonio Cashman Martin user talk 11:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

{{Aviation accidents and incidents in 2006}}

I think the idea is that, after the merge, a majority part of Eagle III will be dedicated to the crash. However, if that still means the article shouldn't be listed on the template, then you've done the right thing. I don't know what are the inclusion criteria for those templates. Deryck C. 22:23, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

These templates are only for where there is a stand-alone article on the accident in question. Therefore removal of those that fail to survive AfD is correct. Mjroots (talk) 15:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Thanks for the explanation about aviation incident templates :) Deryck C. 23:11, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

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copa 201

There maybe be a rudder problem with the copa crash in 1992 see the facts it rolled to the side and increased it's speed and it kept rolling from side to side, investigators could not find the rudder though most of the wreckage was barely intact but it could be a rudder malfunction — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vnukovo2801 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Aircrash articles

William, you seem to be working your way through the various aircrash templates and nominating those articles that you feel fail WP:AIRCRASH at AfD (as is your right). I've no problem with that, and don't see such activity as disruptive. My only worry is what happens once you go back 50 years or more. Aircraft were smaller, death tolls lower, but IMHO, the accidents are just as notable. What are your thoughts please? Mjroots (talk) 15:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

If involve fatalities whether its 1 or 100 and its a commercial aviation accident, I won't nominate it for deletion. My views on cargo, military, and private flights differ. There appears to be a consensus that cargo flights should get articles, so I'll go along.

The recent nominees I've made are either non-fatal commercial aviation accidents or private and military fatal accidents. 2009 Montana Pilatus PC-12 crash is very tragic, but its historically insignificant and doesn't meet WP:Aircrash criteria

IMHO there are articles on non-hull losses without fatalities, or hull losses with no fatalities, with articles written on them. Most of these incidents taking place in the last 10 years. It is all recentism, sometimes driven by the media attention it got because it was on video, namely the 2005 JetBlue incident and the 2011 LOT incident.(By the way I've flown into both LAX and Warsaw, Would you believe Tacloban and West Palm Beach. London Gatwick and NAS Miramar.... Tokyo Narita and..... The list of airports and NAS I've flown into or out of is probably about 100-150 and involves airports and NAS on 3 different continents- N. America, Europe, and Asia. Overall I've been to all 50 states and about 15 countries) Why do those survive AFD discussions but a Eastern Air Lines hull loss at Fort Lauderdale in 1972 doesn't? Is it because 1972 was 40 years ago but LOT had 1000 or more television stations showing footage of the landing and the accident took place last year?

Most of the AFD nominees I will be putting up are accidents that took place in the last few years and haven't been nominated before. There are incidents I think should be nominated, Qantas Flight 1 and the AA runway overrun in Jamaica, but I probably won't do a AFD because the prevailing recentism trend will thwart any attempts to delete them.

I do other work on articles, mostly cleanup work. Like not saying the same thing 3 times in the article, once in the opening summary and once in the body is enough. Also putting the articles in a standard type format. Some editors put external links above the references but categories at the bottom are also ET and it should be the other way around. I also clean up See Also sections. Usually unlinking articles that have either unconfirmed or the vaguest similarity to one another.

Sorry for the ramble. Feel free to write back.- William 15:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. For accidents pre-2005, you may find The Flight International archive useful. For accidents pre-1985, The Times digital archive is online, but needs a subscription. Maybe you can access via your library's website? Glad to know that my early aircraft accidents are safe from you nominating them at AfD. I think all involved at least one fatality. Mjroots (talk) 16:27, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Fixed the problem: its now about the Era of Stagnation: 1964 (1973)-1985

As said above. --TIAYN (talk) 13:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

When it ended is disputed, but its generally believed to be when Gorbachev took power. There are not many links - they are all notable subjects. --TIAYN (talk) 17:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

About Vern Bickford no-hitter

Thanks for the correction and the info. MusiCitizen (talk) 16:05, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

CVR transcript on Tenerife page

I re-added the CVR transcript. This time, I deleted several lines that were not particularly relevant, and tweaked the language to read out exactly as typed in the Spanish report. You are incorrect to say, "I know where you got the cockpit chatter from, it was the show 'Crash of the Century'." That's not what I used originally, although I have seen that docudrama. I used the Spanish report as a basis, but included other statements backed up by other sources. Also note that the Spanish report includes a CVR transcript, but this transcript is incomplete, since it is built from the Pan Am cockpit. Some statements, such as Meurs's "Wait a minute, we don't have an ATC clearance," are described only in the text of the report. Others, such as Grubbs's shouts when he saw PH-BUF, are only alluded to, as in this statement from the report: "Amidst logical exclamations of alarm they accelerated in order to try to get off the runway, but the collision was already inevitable." Other sources spell out what was said. At any rate, I put all the sources consulted at the top of the section. Some statements, such as the discussion on N736PA's flight deck about the KLM being hurried, are described by multiple sources, but without precise timestamps. It's clear from the descriptions of them only that they occurred after the ATC clearance, but before seeing PH-BUF.

So, I would respectfully say that I have addressed your concern about accuracy. Your statement that "You're [sic] addition to the page on the disaster involving the communications between KLM, Pan Am, and the tower, were very different than what was actually said," is not, so far as I can tell, borne out by the sources I consulted. If you think that a specific statement is questionable, I would urge that you use a tag to show from whence it came, though I'm 99% sure that everything there is now in full accord with the cited sources. Thank you, though, for drawing attention to the need to perform a bit of housekeeping on this section! Sacxpert (talk) 09:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Regarding your edit on Malév Hungarian Airlines

Hi,

Although there were TWO warnings saying that "is an airline" shouldn't be changed into "was an airline", you changed it and removed the warning. Please read the sentence carefully, and ask if you don't know: Malév *is* an airline that *has been* operating.

Slasher-fun (talk) 20:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I-95 in Florida

Thank you for finding and inserting a url for a link in I-95 in Florida article. I changed this to a permanent link since the NY Times eventually becomes archived and can't be read by readers. Some people might call this a "dead" (unavailable) link at this point and request another link which, by then, usually isn't available online. Removal of the url at that time, allows the citation to remain there permanently since it is hard copy. Student7 (talk) 13:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Your edit is fine but just to let you know, the NYT has an open archive for articles back to 1980(?). Most newspapers do archive their stories, but the NYT is an exception in that it allows access to stories for a much longer time span. I use the Times frequently for articles after the death of a notable person.- William 13:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I saw you had been around awhile, so I was wondering. Thanks for the update. Student7 (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

AfD and PROD notifications

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Matata Ponyo Mapon

You are right...I've reverted the article to the version where he's still alive.-Kiwipat (talk) 20:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Notice of discussion

I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Golf#Older PGA Tour events about older PGA Tour events. Please refrain from editing out older PGA Tour events until a consensus is reached on how to deal with these events. Tewapack (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Survivors redirects

Just for information I have raised some of survivor redirects at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 March 25. MilborneOne (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Smile!

A smile for you You’ve just received a random act of kindness! 66.87.0.137 (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft

Please note that the guidelines for formatting entries on this list have changed - see Talk:List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft#Reconsidering_linking_in_this_article for the discussion and Wikipedia:List_of_accidents_and_incidents_on_commercial_aircraft/Guideline_for_inclusion_criteria_and_format#Entry_style for the guidelines. Since this article is a chronological index to articles on each incident, that link should only be the only link in each entry. Colonies Chris (talk) 15:32, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Aircrash articles

William, do you have access to The Times Online archive, which covers 1785-1985. I can access the achive through my library card free of charge. Alternative you could purchase a subscription. If you need any help expanding aircrash articles from this source let me know. Mjroots (talk) 08:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

No I don't have access to The Times Online but I rely on Google News archive alot. The crashes Tangier 1973, Havana 1989, Macedonia 1993, plus the Korean Air that went down at Tripoli in 1989, don't have many news article available on them. Macedonia because it initially had one survivor is a little better off than the others.

I'm going to write the articles eventually. What if I alert you afterwards and see if you add anymore to them?...William 20:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure, The Times now covers to 2006 BTW. Mjroots (talk) 21:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Survivor redirects

Just to let you know I have nominated a few more at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 April 11, only a few hundred to go! MilborneOne (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Notable people

FYI, the correct section name is "Notable people" in city articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 01:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Fritz Brickell

Thanks for your fix on that. McGill1974 (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The cats in the bag redirect

Hello. You did not write an edit summary here, so I can only assume we have differing interpretations of Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects#Subtopic categorization. I have re-re-added the cats, but wish to know if you had a reason that you figured was so obvious it didn't need an edit summary. Thanks! Ashanda (talk) 05:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello again! Thank you for providing an edit summary this time! However, could you please provide me with a link to the guideline you surely meant to refer to that supercedes the one I linked to above? Thanks! Ashanda (talk) 02:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It is the practice of the Aviation editors to remove all category links out of redirects. If you question that policy, take it up at the aviation talk page....William 13:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Very good. If you would be so kind as to provide a link to the (I assume) WikiProject where this practice hails from, I would appreciate it. Also, since your argument relates to aviation, adding the non-aviation cats back in wouldn't be objectionable, would it?Ashanda (talk) 02:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello again. Could you please pay me the courtesey of a reply? Wikipedia is a collaborative project and discussion is part of that. Of course, I could have just edit warred and made my my changes without consulting you, but that would both be rude and contrary to policy. Ashanda (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

List of people from Fargo, North Dakota

Recently you removed the (See also|Category:People from Fargo, North Dakota) tag on the List of people from Fargo, North Dakota. I put this on all List of people from pages that I create. I'm just wondering your reason for removing it. Cheers Dkriegls (talk) 19:13, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're just linking to a page that is a duplicate of the list. Everyone on the category page should be on the list page. I've been going through list articles for other cities recently, Little Rock, Fayetteville AR, Youngstown OH, and they don't have a link to the category page on them at the top. BTW you have a link to the category page at the bottom of the article. That's fine....William 21:26, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

In an ideal world they would duplicate each other, but they don't. And sometimes purposefully so by involved editors. Lists and categories are complimentary of each other, Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. Both navigation methods can be used by readers with differing results and I like to encourage readers to be aware that there are two different navigation tools for them to use. Top of the page navigation emphasizes this point, as bottom of the list navigation templates tend to only get used by editors. I have created and or cleaned up over 40 of these List of people from pages, I have seen no consensus against informing readers of both navigation tools, but emphasizing it is my preference. After all, the categories emphasize the List of people from link at the top of the page. it seams only right that the List of people from page emphasize the category link. Dkriegls (talk) 02:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Compy90

I'm not very encouraged that we are going to be hearing from this editor about the problems you mentioned on AN/I. He's been editing since you made the report, and didn't go to respond. I'll give it another day or two to see if he responds, and then work on formulating a way forward. I don't think you can be expected to follow this user around policing their edits. --Laser brain (talk) 02:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Compy90 is now requesting unblock, and has responded to some of your ANI comments. Are you willing to have a discussion with him at User talk:Compy90#Notification? Since he is blocked he can't currently post anywhere else. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I am busy today and just took care of another dispute but I have non-wikipedia things to do now. Before I go to bed tonight Florida time, I will reply on Compy90's talk page....William 13:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:Edit warring

I have no interest in edit warring with you. Particularly on a global scale over a trivial matter. The status quo existed long before your new found epiphany. Please stop your wholesale changes and follow your own advice and go here. We can hash this out there, no worreis. Happy editing and best wishes. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I have replied to your note here. Sorry you feel that way. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Swissair Flight 316

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Incomplete DYK nomination

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A kitten

	Not a catfight
	Vaudevillians the Bennett Sisters posing as if wrestling, ca. 1900s. William, Thanks for the kitten. We don't want a cat fight. And this is all metaphorical, so please don't say I've impugned our gender (I presume we are both male). 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Tinning

William, We both know that Find a Grave is not considered to be a WP:RS in Wikipedia. I don't happen to like that policy much, as it is as stupid (and somewhat justified, depending on the fallacy of composition) to say that all of Wikipedia is not reliable because it is a wiki and there are 'no' editorial controls. Depends on whose contributing and what they contribute. I also strongly think that Find a Grave has a good track record on getting the graves right, and that is primarily their business. In any event, this particular article has NO sources, and In the valley of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But if you want to make it an external link, not a source, I understand. Have at it. Generally, I don't care about baseball and don't edit articles about it. Except for Eppa Rixey, as there is a personal connection. As to the Michigan articles, you happened to be editing in 'my neighborhood' (and I do mean that literally), and I have edited all those particular articles because I live there. See Sturgeon Point Light, as I live exactly a mile north of it. Come join us if you are in the neighborhood. In any event, I understand the stuff was old. But when you do a drive-by extirpation, and don't put in replacement, or don't just mark it with a CN, I think you might be using overkill. While the criticism has validity, there are other cures -- like putting in the right information, or checking to see if you are removing valid info. As to the rest of Alcona County, Michigan's townships, cities and villages, this source would solve a lot of the date problems and has current information on elected officials. Because some places (like Harrisville, Michigan, don't have websites, trying to find this stuff takes some digging. So we are clear, I'm not generally following you around, so please don't go there. We can work together. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:08, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

If you are redoing those type entries, it might be good to add (information as of May 2012) 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:19, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Horse racing tags

Thanks As you pointed out, this edit might be a non-applicable banner. I have not tried to tag any horse-related pages since then (about two years ago) for precisely that reason: I'm simply too ignorant of horse racing. Thanks for the heads-up, but I've steered clear of that set of articles as they are outside of my competence. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Halloween III under featured article review

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Kiki Cuyler

William, Another Northern Michigan ballplayer, from Harrisville, Michigan and whose article is kind of sparse. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:52, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

The Godfather Part II

Hello WilliamJE,

Your edit on The Godfather Part II is correct. Thank you for spotting the error!

I have just been browsing your User page, and there are two UBXs that I would like to copy to mine, with your permission – "News" and "B & W colourisation".

Kind regards, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 09:01, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Help yourself to any UBXs you like....William 15:58, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:05, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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1966 Dan-Air Apache crash

It seems that you're the one who deleted this article -- correct me if I'm wrong; may I just ask, if this is true, why did you do it? What (in your opinion) was wrong with it? Though I agree that the main article to which it was linked -- the Dan-Air (ex-UK airline) article -- has lots of scope for improvement -- especially the citation overkill -- I feel it was wrong to delete the 1966 DA Apache crash article. Can it be restored? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.194.221.231 (talk) 17:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

AFD

The one AFD was b0rked because you forgot to put a second bracket around WP:GOLF — you had [[WP:GOLF] and it was messing up the format. If you want to nominate the rest, I would suggest using twinkle if you aren't already. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

If Twinkle is those little boxes at the top including xfd, I use that all the time for AFDs. How would I make the one discussion a yearly tournament article the discussion for all of the yearly articles? What do I say in the box that comes up after I click on XFD?...William 19:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Add {{la|Name of extra article you want AFD'd}} into the nomination box. Then go into each individual article and put {{Subst:afd|name of the first article}} on each other article in the series. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:11, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I didn't mean literally put "name of extra article you want AFD'd", silly. :-P Anyway, I think it's all fixed up now. I did the rest of the work. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

• • • • I screwed up. Its the wrong article. Can you just delete the AFD...William 19:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

• What do you mean "wrong article"? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

It was supposed to be 2010_Players_Championship. Note the similar title.

I'm not an admin so I can't delete it, but I did tag it for {{db-author}}. You might be better off nominating each separately to avoid confusion. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)