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November 2022

Information icon Hello, I'm Fuzheado. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to 2004 Nazran raid—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Fuzheado | Talk 16:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

List of wars involving Ingushetia moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, List of wars involving Ingushetia, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Liz Read! Talk! 08:43, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Which sources weren't been able to reference? I wrote the pages and names of the books made by very trusted historians like Kusheva. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 09:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

New article Dzhairkhoy

Hello brother, I recently created an article about the Ingush society Dzhairkhoy, If you have interesting material related to this article, you can add them. And please, do not enter into provocations, and try not to violate the rules of Wikipedia, otherwise you may be blocked forever. Thank you for your attention! Niyskho (talk) 22:33, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

What happened to the article? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 10:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Egi moved to draftspace

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December 2022

Information icon Hi WikiEditor1234567123! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of 2004 Nazran raid several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:2004 Nazran raid, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on 2004 Nazran raid. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. — Wug·a·po·des​ 11:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

User:Wugapodes sorry for late reply but the person was very disrespectful to me, calling me vandal and using "Ingush" as a way to insult which showed his true colors. I apologize and will never attack any editors ever again. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 16:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Advice.

Hello colleague, I recently joined the Wikipedia community, I have little experience in editing, I can add sources and reliable text related to the North Caucasus, especially when it comes to Ingushetia, could you give me advice on which article is best to edit? Erzi Tower (talk) 18:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I really don't know which article is best for you if I don't know what you like. If you like history related then you should focus on that. Also make sure to add sources and don't violate guidelines. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:39, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I recently began to take an active interest in Wikipedia, and have already noticed contradictions in the article "Dzurdzuki", why are the sources about the Ingush removed?Erzi Tower (talk) 12:31, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Because there's some editors that remove the referenced information and I really can't do anything alone against many editors who can instantly reverse my edits. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 13:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Also keep in mind that, that's not the only article that is being edited. Nazran raid article's result was always Chechen-Ingush Separatist victory but some editors try to discredit Ingush people as much as possible and remove us from the result. Vyappiy article has many lies too, it says that the Vyappiy are Chechen and Ingush society when it's only Ingush. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 13:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Call the editors from the Russian Wikipedia, such as User:Adam-Yourist, he is a very experienced Ingush user (10 years of experience), explain the problem to him, information about the Ingush is massively distorted here, and this is unacceptable! Erzi Tower (talk) 13:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Callanecc I don't quite understand, what is this about?

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January 2023

Information icon Hello. I wanted to let you know that in your recent contributions to Nazran conflict, you seemed to act as if you were the owner of the page. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. This means that editors do not own articles, including ones they create, and should respect the work of their fellow contributors. If you create or edit an article, remember that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Nazran conflict shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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There's individuals who keep on adding back information that doesn't belong there. I have explained to them many times but they on adding it back no matter what. Could you please revert the page back to my last edit? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 10:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

See WP:WRONGVERSION. You need to use the time that the article is protected to reach a consensus on the article's talk page using the dispute resolution procedures. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Callanecc could you please return Nazran conflict to this stable version [1]? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 13:31, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

No. You need to use the dispute resolution procedures to resolve the dispute by gaining consensus for your preferred version. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you very much Curb Safe Charmer and Alexis.WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 20:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Egi

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Goddard2000. Maybe it will be better if I wrote that Egi was a legendary figure? What do you think? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 22:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Waaleikum Salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu, i personally think its best if we add him in a section of Ingush legends/folktale article instead of creating an actual article on him. Same goes for the other Chechen and Ingush folk tale heroes you created like Khasi and others who have no primary source. It sets a bad precedent to create articles based on folk tale here and there, especially if the folk tale dont have much legitimacy and are biased. Goddard2000 (talk) 16:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I disagree that we shouldn't make an article for him. There exists already articles about folklore and legends so I think best is to make it clear that they are legends. There exists an article for a legendary Battle of Añyraqai, why can't Battle of the Assa River exist too? I didn't create article about Khasi and as far as I know he's not just legend but was also mentioned as Khan Khusy in Chinese sources. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what "Battle of Añyraqai" is and i haven't read about that battle but i know that the "battle of assa" was nothing more than a story about a skirmish between Äkkhi and Ingush, it says a lot also that you have put the Kabardins and Kumyks on a different side when in reality in the story they were mentioned on Egis side. We have no evidence of the supposed battle (skirmish) even happened, making a whole article on it is not professional. Same goes for your Nazran conflict article. Regarding Khasi yeah someone else created it my bad, i'll go over that too after i'm done with the Nazran conflict and Egi articles. No one knows if Khan Khusy truly was Khasi, this is a huge stretch. Goddard2000 (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Battle of Añyraqai was a legendary battle that exists as an article in Wikipedia. I think the best is to make clear that the battles are legendary (based on a legend).

"it says a lot also that you have put the Kabardins and Kumyks on a different side when in reality in the story they were mentioned on Egis side" well I wrote them as different side because that's what I understood from Amin Tesayev's book, it wasn't clear on who's side they were so I put them as different side. Hope you understand. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Egi moved to draftspace

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@SunDawn: Thank you. You have a blessed day too my brother! WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 06:22, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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Muhammad from Ingushetia

Do you know history? Dadaev wrote about him. There is information that it was a Chechen theologian once in one village, now it was a village in Ingushetia. Therefore, Dadaev called him from Ingushetia. He did not write about his nationality. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by "do you know history"? Which information says that it was Chechen theologian? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
This is new data. Dagestan historians will publish. I would not write about one Nabe, this is a drop in the sea. Still read the article naib, in Ingushetia they do not quite understand what it is. Of course, I understand a great interest in the imamat recently in Ingushetia. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
You forgot to answer me — which information says that Muhammed from Ingushetia was Chechen theologian? Also I quite don't understand your point (which may be due to your obvious usage of translator software). So Dagestani historians are lying and Ingush don't know anything about naibs? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Friendly advice

Just a note, when discussing the behavior of sockpuppets, Wikipedia:Don't stuff beans up your nose#Modern essay usage. Ideally, if they're going to keep sockpuppeting, we want them to make the same mistakes again so that they get caught. signed, Rosguill talk 16:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

If I understood correctly your advice, I shouldn't tell people not to do something, correct? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk)
The recommendation is that you shouldn't explain to sockpuppets how they got caught for sockpuppetry. signed, Rosguill talk 15:27, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Rosguill this is unrelated to the advice but it's been a week and Reiner hasn't replied in Talk:Fyappiy. Do I have to wait for that long or is it allowed for me to edit the page? To me it looks like Reiner no longer is active in Wikipedia. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 11:07, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


I think once you've waited a full week without response you've done due diligence and can proceed with your edit. Ideally, leave a comment in the discussion thread explaining that you waited for a week and will bee moving forward now, etc. signed, Rosguill talk 15:27, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Okay now that it's been week I will proceed editing the page. Thank you. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Rosguill could you please rename Vyappiy as Fyappiy? I will then remake the redirect page (Vyappiy) as an article about the clan Vyappiy that lives in Dagestan. So basically there will be separate articles about the society (Fyappiy) and the clan (Vyappiy, which originates from Fyappiy). I hope this doesn't sound confusing for you. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I think that Reiner won't have any issues with this because it's a good solution to the dispute that we had. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I'd rather see this go through WP:RM, as you're proposing a change to article content that has not been discussed and endorsed by community consensus yet. It also sounds a bit like you're proposing WP:POVFORKs; depending on how sources actually discuss the topic, it may not be appropriate from an encyclopedic perspective even if it would "solve" the conflict between you and Reiner. signed, Rosguill talk 15:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps, if separation of the article cannot be done, then the clan Vyappiy can be briefly mentioned in a section of the article? Could this be the solution? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 16:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
It should follow the balance of sources. Do any of the sources describe both subjects as different groups? Or otherwise discuss them in a way that it is obvious that these are not the same group? signed, Rosguill talk 16:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
The Fyappiy is a large society with many teips (clans) and surnames which was formed and located in mountainous Ingushetia. Some of the Fyappins left the Ingushetia and migrated to Georgia giving start to Bats people,[1] while some lesser amount of Fyappiy from the Torshkhoy teip (clan) migrated to Aukh, a region in today's Dagestan giving start to the modern day Chechen teip (meaning clan)[2]. To me it's obvious that we have to differentiate these two, Fyappiy is a big Ingush society with many clans and surnames in Ingushetia, while the other is offspring of the society but today a clan in Dagestan bearing the name Vyappiy. If we would separate these two then there wouldn't be any confusions. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 16:22, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
You have to understand that these two are not quite the same thing, one is society with many clans in Ingushetia and the other is clan in Dagestan despite coming from the society long time ago. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 16:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Assuming that reliable sources generally agree about that distinction, then it depends of the degree of coverage of the Dagestan clan. If there's multiple reliable sources that examine the Dagestan clan in specific detail, then splitting makes sense. If the Dagestan clan is mentioned only in passing in the context of the Ingush society, it should get a section in the article about the Ingush group. signed, Rosguill talk 16:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
For now I just shortly mentioned them in a section "Aukh Vyappins". If I want for this article to be renamed as Fyappiy, where do I have to suggest this? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Follow the instructions at WP:PCM signed, Rosguill talk 17:07, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Волкова (1974). Этнический состав населения Северного Кавказа в XVIII — начале XX века (in Russian). Москва: Наука. p. 153.
  2. ^ "Доклад о Границах и Территории Ингушетии (основные положения)". Назрань. 2021. p. 68.

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Thank you! WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:52, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

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Since you filed a complaint, then I did the same

you know that in the official language Vladikavkaz has two statuses in Russian and Ossetian. it's simple, you shouldn't get involved in it. Elbrusoid1507 (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Enlighten me please, what do you mean by I "shouldn't get involved in it"? Wikipedia is welcome for everybody to edit and make good contribution to it. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Orstkhoy

Just saw your edit, what about we agree to put pro-Chechen sources in Chechen section and pro-Ingush sources in Ingush section, no need to retort with "But they disagree" text on the Berger source in Chechen section otherwise the same can be done on the "Military Statistical Review of the Russian Empire // Caucasian Territory, 1851" source in the Ingush section. In my opinion either we remove the quotes and just have the sources included saying "this person said Orstkhoi belong to this nation" or we post a retort on both quotes like you did in Chechen section. Goddard2000 (talk) 01:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I put 3 secondary sources regarding Berge and I don't understand for what reason you removed them, explain yourself please. Also explain what can be done to "Military Statistical Review of the Russian Empire // Caucasian Territory, 1851"? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 06:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't think you understood what i meant but no matter, we can leave it for another day. Goddard2000 (talk) 14:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

Assalam Aleykum, since it is Ramadan and both of us don't want to argue and potentially do pitan during this month i have decided to create a post on the dispute resolution board and tagged you (since the argument was mainly between us). This argument all boils down to which source is the oldest, we need to involve a third party that will look through both sources. So for now lets leave other disputes behind us and only focus on the chronology of the 2 sources. Goddard2000 (talk) 14:18, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hi in this edit to Galashkinskoe Naibstvo you introduced a reference to "Доклад о границах и территории Ингушетии 2021" which you did not define. This means that nobody can look the reference up, and also adds the article to Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. If you could fix this that would be great. DuncanHill (talk) 03:33, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Galashians

Hi WikiEditor1234567123. Can I suggest you that if you are going to be using short form references (for instance {{sfn}}) the you should turn on the associated error messages. You can find the details here Category:Harv and Sfn template errors. You've added the reference "Берже 1859" to Galashians, but no such work is defined in the article. Could you add the required cite to the Bibliography section, or let me know what work this refers to? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 11:52, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

WikiEditor1234567123 Can you please check the Galashian talk page, i'm not sure if i tagged you correctly in there. Goddard2000 (talk) 01:59, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hi again WikiEditor1234567123. Sorry there's another missing cite, this time at the Bamut article. You've added a reference for "Доклад о границах и территории Ингушетии 2021" but no such work is defined in the article. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 22:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem, added the missing cite. Thank you for letting me know. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 22:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
There's no more missing at Fyappiy, "Терская область. Списокъ населенныхъ мѣстъ по ​свѣдѣніямъ​ 1874 года 1878" and "Списокъ населенныхъ мѣстъ Терской области: (По даннымъ къ 1-​му​ іюля 1914 года) 1915" -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 22:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hey, WikiEditor1234567123, I hope you're well. I recently discovered a novel and clean way to write the pre-reform/revolution Russian orthography variants of uezd and okrug names in the translation note – I've done it in the Nazranovskiy Okrug article. I'll demonstrate how it should look:

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{{efn|{{bulletedlist|{{langx|ru|Назрано́вский о́круг}}, {{langx|ru|label=<small>[[pre-reform orthography]]</small>|Назрано́вскій о́кругъ|translit=Nazranovskiy okrug}}|{{langx|inh|Наьсарен округ|Näsaren okrug}}}}}}

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The only concern is that there seems to be a consensus forming against using Russian vowel emphasis/pronunciation diacritics on EnWiki, what are your thoughts?

In any case, I was wondering if I could count on your help on implementing this new way of expressing the pre-reform orthography and implementing modern Russian elsewhere (such as in infoboxes and tables) for these historical uezd/okrug/oblast articles? Best, – Olympian loquere 23:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for asking. I'm fine. How are you? I'm not familiar with the "consensus forming against using Russian vowel emphasis/pronunciation diacritics" in English Wikipedia, could you please enlighten me in this topic? Either way, you can count my help in, just enlist me all the articles that need to be fixed and when I have time I will try my best to fix atleast some of them. Since I will offer my help, could you also help me out and take a look at Fyappiy? An article about an Ingush subgroup, which I currently think of making a "good article". Since you have some experience with making good articles, please take a look and improve somehow the article even by little things such as fixing typos, thank you. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 23:47, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! I'd be delighted to review Fyappiy and help it gain GA status! Regarding the vowel emphasis diacritics, I'll have to search for it as I saw it weeks ago, but I'm certain it exists in some discussion. The ~50 articles that need fixing with this new pre-reform orthography note are the uezds, okrugs, governorates, oblasts, and otdels of the Caucasus Viceroyalty (1801–1917), and eventually the ones across modern-day Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus (though we can deal with those later). Best, – Olympian loquere 00:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

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Assalamu Alaykum i just noticed your arbitration response regarding my Orstkhoy comment, i don't think its anything bad to add information about intra-tribal conflicts to the article but the conflicts were more than just "In the 1780s, during the Movement of Sheikh Mansur, Orstkhoy were regularly subject to Chechen raids as can be attested by many reports and documents.". There are several reports of Karabulaks (Orstkhoy) joining Sheikh Mansur and even sending people to him, there are secondary sources that evaluate the relationships between Karabulaks and Mansur which show that it was more than just regular raids. Leaving that part aside though i think you missed my point, i have noticed a trend of you including darker moments in Chechen-Karabulak history but not Ingush, not only that but as i pointed out you have a history of white washing Ingush-Karabulak history by removing the fact that Ingush signed a treaty with Russia to specifically fight Karabulaks in 1810. You claim now that it was an accident, but it seems strange to me that you haven't added this important moment in Karabulak history to the Orstkhoy article, it kind of proves my point don't you think? i mean you have had hours to add that bit to the "Contacts with Russian Empire" section but it is nowhere to be seen. Seems at the moment at least to me that you prefer adding Chechen-Karabulak conflicts instead.

As for my 3 year old edit in "Aukh" that you brought up, i don't like to go that far back in history as everyone makes mistakes but i see nothing wrong in writing Chechen and not including Ingush in that section when it comes to teips that are Chechen (doesn't make them non-Ingush though) in an article about Chechens. I don't have a problem with you adding Ingush to that sentence though, just figured i should comment on it and clarify that it wasn't meant as an anti-Ingush edit or anything like that. Goddard2000 (talk) 18:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Wa alaykum assalam. Ingush didn't sign the treaty with Russia to specifically fight Karabulaks in 1810. The treaty only mentions that Ingush will have to fight off Russian enemies, namely the Chechens and Karabulaks. I don't see how 1810 treaty is an important moment that should be mentioned when even after this treaty, Ingush-Karabulak relations remained the same and the treaty didn't change the relations in anyway. Fargieva village (Karabulak village) even made a treaty with Russia in 1811 based "on the basis of duty made by the Ingush". In 1780s during the Sheikh Mansur raids, Ingush and Karabulaks sometimes even collaborated and made raids together on Chechen settlemens as a revenge which shows that they were in good relations. Btw you mentioned that there's reports of Karabulaks joining Mansur and so on, I'm not against you adding this. Really, if you have RS regarding this, then add them. For example according to Umalat Laudayev, Ingush (who were also subject to raids) actually joined Sheikh Mansur and converted to Islam. Overall, I would appreciate if you wouldn't accuse me of trying to Ingushify history or white-wash Ingush history, sounds nothing more than a personal attack. I'm not accusing you either of similar acts so do me a favor and refrain from such drastic accusations. Thank you. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Ingush (or rather the Nazranians) signed a treaty with Russia where they promised to provide 1000 men to fight both Chechens and Karabulaks, after they ambushed a detachment of Karabulaks and Chechens killing many of them. This is the reason for the treaty and why Ingush joined because they feared retaliation, don't you think this is important to mention? I mean you have the dates 1807 and then a gap then 1825 in the article but no mention of 1810? Here is a report from Graf Ivelich on 1810 9th June:
"At the request of everything, this date, the peaceful Ingush foremen came to my fortress, from whom the amanats are kept, with a report on what was done during the battle against the Chechen and Karabulak parties, consisting of up to 600 people, of which the leader of the prince was killed by them . Albaksid Kanchokin and bridle him, chief rider of predatory parties, Elzheruko Abaev,Yes, there are 51 Chechens and Karabulakovs, and it is not known about the wounded who fled in the forest; 23 were taken into the plan. In total, damage from the predatory side of the Chechen and Karabulak 76 people, up to 100 healthy and wounded horses, about which incident c. above, before this, it was briefly reported from me. At what a long time I put to add the request of the above-mentioned Ingush elders and their entire village, stretching more than 7,000 souls, who, due to their disastrous condition, were forced to move to the river for arable farming. Sunzhu with the return of amanats to the Kabardian prince. Bako Zhambotov,with the return from each yard a ruble ser. and 2 measurements of millet; in addition to this situation, they were forced to accept their amanats from the Chechen predators with giving the same tax to the Chechens and their mullahs, who converted them to the Muhammadan faith and made a mosque where the Ingush went to learn the faith, which served for a while in favor of the predators. But many Ingush, and especially those who were kindly treated by me, often secretly
I don't know about you but this seems like a major event, should we not add the fact that an allied Chechen-Karabulak detachment coming after a raid on Vladikavkaz was ambushed by Ingush who then joined Russia due to fear of retaliation? I don't think 1 Karabulak village joining Russia in 1811 matters when a year prior the Karabulaks in an alliance with Chechens were killed during an Ingush ambush. The source is here and it contains the letter + the original source.
The 1780's raids i need to find primary sources as i only have secondary sources but i could elaborate some more on that sentence which implies there were just raids. As for the Laudaev saying Ingush joined Sheikh Mansur, learning about things like this only makes me happier and i think we should highlight these parts of our history on Wikipedia. The accusations of "white-washing" might've been too harsh, i didn't personally mean for it to be a personal attack. I'll leave these terms aside then to keep it more civil. Goddard2000 (talk) 20:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Although I couldn't find that online version of that book, found the report in the book "Акты Кавказской археологической комиссии об Ингушетии и ингушах" (pp. 74–75). Nevertheless, the battle isn't that of notable to be added into the article compared to numerous raids of Sheikh Mansur. If I then add Battle of Churuch-Arshty where Cossack-Chechen forces under Gen. Grekov destroyed the village and killed the Karabulaks, then the history section would be filled with unnecessary battles taking up space, you get me? If you want to make due weight of the Sheikh Mansur raids, you could add the reports of Karabulaks joining the movement, okay? Also once again, the Karabulak village made oath for Russia in 1811 on the basis of duty made by Nazranians in 1810. In other words, that they too will fight off "Russia's enemies". WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
I agree that random raids and battles of no importance shouldn't be included but the 1810 battle was notable and had major repercussions as we can tell from the oath of 6 Ingush clans. You mentioned Russians building a fort for Ossetians and Karabulaks in 1782 due to mountain Chechen raids, as if this is more notable than 1810 which caused Nazran to become a major Russian fort. So far i'm not impressed with the history section, and in my opinion if Chechen-Karabulak conflicts are highlighted then we should do the same to Ingush-Karabulak conflicts. We can discuss some more on this topic later when i have more time. Goddard2000 (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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WikiEditor1234567123 Ассалам Алейкум can you look at the article? Bersa Sheikh, Берса-Шейх In the Russian section it is there, if something unnecessary remove it. Товболатов (talk) 05:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ва алейкум ассалам. Быстро прошёлся по преамбуле и чуть-чуть исправил, по позже ещё взгляну на статью (грамматика в статье вроде хромает). Насчёт тайпов, думаю нет смысла это указывать в преамбуле, вот например в хорошей статье про Батал-Хаджи Белхароева, принадлежность Батал-Хаджи к Белхарой я указал в разделе «Background». Также, если у тебя конечно есть время для этого, советую использовать вот этот шаблон «Template:Tree chart» для указания семейного древа Берса-Шейха. Бери пример с раздела «Background» статьи Nureddin Akhriev. С уважением, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Насчет источников: старайся не использовать газету в качестве источника для столь исторического личности. Думаю у историков Шарпудина Ахмадова, Явуза Ахмадова или Шахрудина Гапурова есть что-то про Берса-Шейха, попытайся использовать таких рода АИ. С уважением, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Дела реза хьула. Автор статьи в русской не я, до меня ее кто то создал, потом разные авторы редактировали. Источник из газеты Теркйист давно добавили туда. Да нужно поискать исходники по Берса Шейху он был проповедником и возглавлял Нохч-Мохк в тот период (стилевые правки нужно сделать). По родословной есть фотография (1) можно в галерею добавить. Когда время у тебя будет сихо яц. Я посмоторел у Nureddin Akhriev да хорошая статья и оформление. Дала тъяхе бяркате йойла. Товболатов (talk) 12:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Хьонаъ Даьла раьза хийла. Про то что Берса-Шейх был проповедником пишет Я. З. Ахмадов, собираюсь добавить этот источник в скором времени. Однако, я считаю что Тесаева надо убрать и заменить на того же Ахмадова. Он не серьезный АИ как по мне — зачастую фольклор выдает как за исторический факт. С уважением, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
В этом источнике несколько авторов, видимо из их книги. 1. Источник: Айтберов Т. М., Хапизов Ш. М. Эпиграфические источники по истории распространения ислама в Чечне (XVI XIX вв.) // Известия СОИГСИ. 2016. Вып. 20 (59). С.15—24. По ссылке там в конце все источники отмечены. Посмотрю еще если найду скину тебе.--Товболатов (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot! Could you take a look at Fyappiy or Chakh Akhriev some day? Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
No worries; I don't take on direct c/e requests but if you add them to the Requests page I might get them sometime. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 03:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Chakh Akhriev

Hi WikiEditor1234567123, I've done my best to c/e this article but I found a few bits of text I couldn't understand, mostly in the section "Later life". I've marked these with [clarification needed] tags; these terms are "he worked as a candidate for office position" and "he worked as an official on special assignments to supervise the populated lands and quitrent articles". I've bolded the actual confusing terms. Anyway, good luck with your planned GA nomination. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 08:22, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sulumbek of Sagopshi

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sulumbek of Sagopshi you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Geardona -- Geardona (talk) 19:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Sulumbek of Sagopshi

Good luck on your GA request, I did a review myself, see my review above. May I also suggest you archive some of your talk page. Geardona (talk) 19:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Fyappiy

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Fyappiy you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of RoySmith -- RoySmith (talk) 17:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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