User talk:Trialpears/Archive 6
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Substing help needed
Hi, Trialpears. I wonder if you have time to look at a substing problem I'm having with a template. The template is {{WikiProject talk other}}, but the version I'm working on is in the sandbox.
In brief, this is a template that attempts to solve the problem that {{WikiProject}} templates are not allowed in Draft space, because they would categorize a Draft inaccurately. So, I created a template that takes project names as args (up to ten of them) and if in Talk space, invokes {{WikiProject}}, but in any other namespace, simply lists the project name as a bullet item linked to the WikiProject page.
This was, and is, working just fine; but the last piece of the puzzle is not working. The trick is, it displays the WikiProjects correctly in Draft talk as bullets, and correctly in Talk space as WikiProjects, but that doesn't leave you any way to add |class=, |importance=, and so on in Talk space. So my idea was, after moving the Draft to mainspace, you would then do one last step, which is to change the invocation from {{WikiProject talk other}} to {{subst:WikiProject talk other}}, and that would recognize that it's on a Talk page, substitute the calls to {tl|WikiProject}}, and save them that way, which could then be edited the next time, to add class, importance, and so on. But that's not what it does; instead, it substitutes the bullet items (and leaves some hidden text delimiters which I thought are supposed to be removed because they're enclosed in <noinclude>s, according to WP:SUBSTALLOW).
To see this template working, you can try adding {{WikiProject talk other/sandbox|Asia|Cities|India}} to any Draft talk page and preview it; it should show a bullet list. Then, place the same thing on any Talk (Talk) page, and do the same thing, and you'll see the Projects, including proper categorization at the bottom. The final step is: how do I get to "keep" those projects you see, by adding 'subst:' right after the opening curlies, but if you preview it (you don't even have to save it) you can see that with 'subst:' in there, it switches back to the bulleted links version. So, I'm kind of flummoxed.
While I was writing to you, I actually just thought of a better solution, which doesn't involve having a new template at all. Rather, we can just fix {{WikiProject}} so it only categorizes from Talk space (and that's simple, with {{Talk other}}) and I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier, but I didn't. Anyway, I'll probably go ahead and do that as the most logical approach to solve my initial problem, but I'm still left with the incomprehension about why the new template isn't working the way I expect. If you decide to look at the new template and need a "real" Draft to move to Main space so you can try "substing" the transclusion from Talk space, you can play with Draft:Chindepalle. It's a real Draft and could possibly become a real article one day, but I created it as a test bed to try to thrash out the question of what's happening when I subst the sandbox version of the template after moving it to main space. So, if you feel like looking into this, feel free to play with Chindipalle, and move it back and forth if you want (no redirects, please). Also, there's an older version, pre-subst, that's much easier to read, so if you're looking, you might want to start with rev. 1039501252; that's right before the substing was added, and also does what it's supposed to both in and out of Talk space, but has the initial problem of not being modifiable for class and importance. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @Mathglot! I'm currently quite tired and busy, but will hopefully be able to give a full answer in the next few days. I believe I've solved the main problem in the sandbox by introducing some more safesubsts, but the wikitext needs some clean up. I am quite sceptical of how useful this actually is though and believe in your second solution much more. --Trialpears (talk) 23:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, hi; look, there's no rush, why don't you just rest up, and take care of RL; this can wait, it's by no means urgent. I'll look into the second solution; my question was more about just understanding what's happening, so I can ramp up my knowledge for next time I hit something similar. Please leave it for now, and rest up... Zzzzz...
Mathglot (talk) 23:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, hi; look, there's no rush, why don't you just rest up, and take care of RL; this can wait, it's by no means urgent. I'll look into the second solution; my question was more about just understanding what's happening, so I can ramp up my knowledge for next time I hit something similar. Please leave it for now, and rest up... Zzzzz...
Archives box for manual archiving
Thank you, Trialpears, for the slight cleanup edit to {{Archives}} on my user page. As you can see, the box I placed there is mainly for display/access to a manual archive, completely separate from the automatic archiving setup on my Talk page. I'm not sure why I left so much space preceding the equal sign =, other than I forgot to trim it down when I removed most of the parameters unnecessary for how I was using it... except for |auto=long, which you caught.
The space between the vertical bar | and the parameter shouldn't have made a difference (per {{Cite web}} and similar), but it brought you to my user page, so I am intrigued now. As you are handling the {{Archives}} project, you would be most aware—what was it doing wrong/not doing?
No complaint, just curious. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 02:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- CJDOS, you weren't doing anything wrong! I was just preparing for removing {{Archives}} most confusing "feature". Usually, if no manual list is given the template tries generating an automated one. If a list is given however it doesn't generate an automated one. If you want both you would have to use
|auto=longor similar like you did on your page. But as you may have noticed on your page, it only used your manual list even though you were telling it to add an automated list as well. That's because you couldn't have both an automatic list and use|list=, you would have to put the manual list in the first unnamed parameter instead which is super confusing as they supposedly do the same thing. To be able to remove this "feature" I went through the 20ish pages that would be affected, yours included and changed it to make sure it works as intended after the change. - All in all your page doesn't change but the template becomes slightly less confusing. --Trialpears (talk) 06:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Would you believe that I just received this ping notification a few minutes ago? I already saw your reply previously, but the notification system seems to be having issues. While logged into Wikipedia, I was on Meta Wikimedia, and the interwiki notification system seemed to be working fine, delivering messages in a timely manner. I checked your talk page history, but didn't see anything that might have re-triggered the notification. Weird, huh? I make it a point to mark notifications as read before I actually read them, usually because I'm doing something else at that moment. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 09:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Question from FrancOV19 (03:27, 21 August 2021)
Is my talk page public, partially public or private? And how could I change any of that or truly delete all or some of it?
Also how do I reply to a message I received? --FrancOV19 (talk) 03:27, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @FrancOV19: your talk page is public, and anyone can see messages posted there. You can edit the page to remove messages - but they will remain in the page's history. Messages will not be truly deleted unless they meet the criteria for redaction - which the vast majority will not (basically, if someone doxxes you or vandalizes your page, that would be deleted - but old conversations will not be).
- As for replying, I suggest you look at WP:TALKREPLY, which has instructions for that. I'd also suggest making sure to ping users you reply to - the page I linked explains that in the next section. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:32, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Elli:Thank you for the answer. And once I don't have any other questions, would it be better for me to delete do this section or to leave it. Also is it better to reply that I have read the messages or not? --FrancOV19 (talk) 03:53, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @FrancOV19: given that this isn't your talkpage - it's someone else's - I wouldn't delete the section. If a section on your talkpage isn't doing you any good any more, feel fine to remove it.
- Replying to say you've read messages is fine but might annoy some people - certainly not necessary. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Elli:Thank you for the answer. And once I don't have any other questions, would it be better for me to delete do this section or to leave it. Also is it better to reply that I have read the messages or not? --FrancOV19 (talk) 03:53, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
bot=PearBOT 5 short descriptions removal after editing
i have removed bot=PearBOT 5 after editing it. is it acceptable? btw, bot seems to be not using {{Short description|description}}, however it is using {{short description|description}}. i may be paranoid. thank you for providing short descriptions. 28july21 (talk) 08:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- @28july21 That's completely alright and was the original plan to allow for review. It then stopped being added to new description, partly because it was seen as unnecessary and partly because it was unclear to handle it. I didn't consider the case of "short description" but can absolutely change it to uppercase if I do more. --Trialpears (talk) 20:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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TFL notification
Hi, Trialpears. I'm just posting to let you know that List of countries by Human Development Index – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for September 13. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 01:34, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Giants2008 I love when people do my work for me! Thanks! I made some slight amendments, but it should be good to go. --Trialpears (talk) 09:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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The parameters for how you obtain tokens in the MediaWiki API were changed in 2014. The old way will no longer work from 1 September. Scripts, bots and tools that use the parameters from before the 2014 change need to be updated. You can read more about this.- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 September. It will be on all wikis from 2 September (calendar).
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16:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Secondary nested archive subpage
Wait a minute, Trialpears; something's changed. I just went to reference a previous discussion in my talk archives, /Archive 1, and found several discussions missing. Looking at my talk page's history, I discovered that a second archive, /Archives/ 1, had been created without my knowledge nor consent. I don't like this change, and prefer just one subpage nested, not two. Please correct the archiver while I manually move the discussions to my archive page. Thank you. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 09:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- @CJDOS Looks like this edit was responsible. No idea why the bot would behave like that but User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis mentions issues with magic words in the documentation. Just another thing I'll add to the fix list when I start work on a new bot. --Trialpears (talk) 09:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the heads-up. The date of that edit matches with the conversations that were included in the new archive page. I was unaware of such weird bot behavior, and have temporarily deactivated automatic archiving. As a precaution against unwanted page creation, I will manually archive for a little while, though I don't have any active discussions that aren't pinned at this time. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 09:43, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- What about the
__NOINDEX__magic word? I had added it to the archive page about a week prior. It's my understanding that it should only deter search engine crawls, not archivers. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 09:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)- Indeed, it shouldn't have any impact on the archive bot. --Trialpears (talk) 10:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Question from Richard.reive on Prem Rawat (14:17, 31 August 2021)
Good day! I would like to insert a recent image and have obtained consent from the owner. What is the simple procedure to indicate authorization and to upload the image? Thanks! (Still learning the ropes) Richard.reiveRichard.reive (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Question from Aryankr01 on Draft:Aryan Kumar Singh (19:12, 1 September 2021)
how to delete a page on wikipedia --Aryankr01 (talk) 19:12, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Aryankr01 Sorry for the delay. Only adminstrators can delete pages and then they have to follow the deletion policy. If you have a more specific question I'm sure I can help. --Trialpears (talk) 09:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Question from Richard.reive on User talk:Richard.reive (20:25, 31 August 2021)
Good day! I got a message from primefac on my email, but don't know how to access it. Sorry! (new slow learner) Richard.reiveRichard.reive (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Richard.reive Sorry for the delay, it looks like this has been resolved over at your talk page? --Trialpears (talk) 09:07, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Question from ARYAN DILAWAR KHAN (18:00, 7 September 2021)
i like this wepsite --ARYAN DILAWAR KHAN (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Policy list
this is a helpbox, not a sidebar and for me helpboxes are not excluded in print. same story for dozens more of your edits today. can you fix template:helpbox so it is excluded in print? Frietjes (talk) 20:55, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Frietjes I'm aware those are help boxes, but they do have the sidebar class. The sidebar class is exclude in print when in mainspace through MediaWiki:Print.css. I don't know how much effort should be put into making non-articles slightly nicer to print though, especially when no one seems to have cared about Category:Exclude in print not working at all for many years. It is an easy fix to noprint helpboxes though which I can do when I get back to a computer. --Trialpears (talk) 21:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Question from Kabir bilyaminu (23:29, 8 September 2021)
We need to help each other --Kabir bilyaminu (talk) 23:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Kabir bilyaminu Do you want to be a bit more specific? --Trialpears (talk) 23:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Archive notice bot removal
Hey there. Is this the intended behavior? The bot's edit causes the archive info to disappear entirely rather than be integrated into the talk header template, apparently because I had set |noarchive= (I don't know why—it's been years since I've thought about the templates on my talk page...). I've fixed things now, but it was unexpected. — The Earwig (talk) 03:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- @The Earwig Nope, definitely not intended. I simply missed that parameter and it wasn't on any of the couple hundred pages in the beginning (it is very rarely used for article talk pages). It is now fixed on all pages where it occurred. --Trialpears (talk) 06:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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- 45 new Wikipedias now have access to the Growth features. [6]
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Problems
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 14 September. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. [7]
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- Starting this week, Wikipedia in Italian will receive weekly software updates on Wednesdays. It used to receive the updates on Thursdays. Due to this change, bugs will be noticed and fixed sooner. [8]
- You can add language links in the sidebar in the new Vector skin again. You do this by connecting the page to a Wikidata item. The new Vector skin has moved the language links but the new language selector cannot add language links yet. [9]
- The syntax highlight tool marks up code with different colours. It now can highlight 23 new code languages. Additionally,
golangcan now be used as an alias for the Go programming language, and a specialoutputmode has been added to show a program's output. [10][11]
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15:32, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Query
Hello, Trialpears,
Category:Wikipedia books (tracking and cleanup categories) popped up on the Empty Categories list and I thought I'd check with you before tagging it as a CSD C1 since you recently handled the Wikipedia book area. What do you think? Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 01:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz It is indeed ready to be deleted. The last subcat was deleted at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_August_15#Category:Wikipedia_books_(user_books_with_bugs). --Trialpears (talk) 21:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
old moves
Hi. I hope you are doing well.
Following up from Primefac's talkpage: Very long time ago, I wanted to update the documentation/module for the old move(s) template. Basically, I was thinking about trying to eliminate the issues that you are currently coming across. It is, like you said, basically a blank slate. I was thinking about adding sort of strict/concrete parameters into the template. Maybe we should do that first before the merger? Kindly let me know what you think. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Question from Hossain Ratul (15:58, 20 September 2021)
Hello!plz help me...in english subject My question is May day?What is May day?????? --Hossain Ratul (talk) 15:58, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- (Talk page enjoyer) @Hossain Ratul: you can read about may day at our article on it: May Day. Is there something you're not understanding? Elli (talk | contribs) 16:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Growth features are now deployed to almost all Wikipedias. For the majority of small Wikipedias, the features are only available for experienced users, to test the features and configure them. Features will be available for newcomers starting on 20 September 2021.
- MediaWiki had a feature that would highlight local links to short articles in a different style. Each user could pick the size at which "stubs" would be highlighted. This feature was very bad for performance, and following a consultation, has been removed. [12]
- A technical change was made to the MonoBook skin to allow for easier maintenance and upkeep. This has resulted in some minor changes to HTML that make MonoBook's HTML consistent with other skins. Efforts have been made to minimize the impact on editors, but please ping Jon (WMF) on wiki or in phabricator if any problems are reported.
Problems
- There was a problem with search last week. Many search requests did not work for 2 hours because of an accidental restart of the search servers. [13]
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- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 September. It will be on all wikis from 23 September (calendar).
- The meta=proofreadpage API has changed. The
pipropparameter has been renamed toprpiprop. API users should update their code to avoid unrecognized parameter warnings. Pywikibot users should upgrade to 6.6.0. [14]
Future changes
- The Reply tool will be deployed to the remaining wikis in the coming weeks. It is currently part of "Discussion tools" in Beta features at most wikis. You will be able to turn it off in Editing Preferences. [15]
- The previously announced change to how you obtain tokens from the API has been delayed to September 21 because of an incompatibility with Pywikibot. Bot operators using Pywikibot can follow T291202 for progress on a fix, and should plan to upgrade to 6.6.1 when it is released.
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18:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Question from Ims yrs on User talk:Ims yrs (16:38, 23 September 2021)
How I add my details on Wikipedia --Ims yrs (talk) 16:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Ims yrs You can create a user page where you can write anything appropriate and Wikipedia related at User:Ims yrs (just click edit on that page). If you are talking about an article about yourself I should note that writing an autobiography is strongly discourage and most people do not satsify the Wikipedia inclusion criteria. You can read more about that at Wikipedia:Autobiography. --Trialpears (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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- iOS 15 has a new function called Private Relay (Apple website). This can hide the user's IP when they use Safari browser. This is like using a VPN in that we see another IP address instead. It is opt-in and only for those who pay extra for iCloud. It will come to Safari users on OSX later. There is a technical discussion about what this means for the Wikimedia wikis.
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- Some gadgets and user-scripts add items to the portlets (article tools) part of the skin. A recent change to the HTML may have made those links a different font-size. This can be fixed by adding the CSS class
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Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 September. It will be on all wikis from 30 September (calendar).
- The GettingStarted extension was built in 2013, and provides an onboarding process for new account holders in a few versions of Wikipedia. However, the recently developed Growth features provide a better onboarding experience. Since the vast majority of Wikipedias now have access to the Growth features, GettingStarted will be deactivated starting on 4 October. [17]
- A small number of users will not be able to connect to the Wikimedia wikis after 30 September. This is because an old root certificate will no longer work. They will also have problems with many other websites. Users who have updated their software in the last five years are unlikely to have problems. Users in Europe, Africa and Asia are less likely to have immediate problems even if their software is too old. You can read more.
- You can receive notifications when someone leaves a comment on user talk page or mentions you in a talk page comment. Clicking the notification link will now bring you to the comment and highlight it. Previously, doing so brought you to the top of the section that contained the comment. You can find more information in T282029.
Future changes
- The Reply tool will be deployed to the remaining wikis in the coming weeks. It is currently part of "Discussion tools" in Beta features at most wikis. You will be able to turn it off in Editing Preferences. See the list of wikis. [18]
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22:20, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Question from Santhosh Naik21 (17:57, 27 September 2021)
how to remove the heading..i want only the name but it is showing user:santoshnaik21 --Santhosh Naik21 (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Santhosh Naik! It looks like you're trying to make an autobiography which is strongly discouraged, which you can read more about at Wikipedia:Autobiography. Removing the prefix would make your userpage look like an article which it isn't. My recommendation would be to not make an autobiography and hope someone else makes an article if or when you have several independent and reliable sources having significant coverage of you. --Trialpears (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Duplicate parameters
FYI, this is not helping. Frietjes (talk) 19:57, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oh god, it's running!?!? I had some issues with PAWS not displaying any text output including testing information and interrupts on my laptop with my not fully tested version that didn't skip as aggressivly and planned to deal with the testing when I was home. Clearly it didn't stop after the handful I manually checked and continuted. I will of course take care of all the issues right now. Thanks for telling me! --Trialpears (talk) 20:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
LOC templates
Hi Trialpears, I'm not sure if you're still working on converting LOC templates but I'd urge you to be careful with edits like this, unless you have verified where the content actually comes from. For the foreign relations articles especially, it might be that the Chad-Libya section was pasted from the Libya country study and not the Chad country study, despite the article overall being centered on Chad. Thanks! By the way, if you want to help with a broader effort to add FNs to the LOC country studies (to replace the dumb generic notices), I have a worklist here and am always looking for collaborators! Happy editing! Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:42, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- And to follow up, on further investigation based on the content of the article when {{LOC}} was added and the dates of the various country studies, it's only the Chad CS that would apply in this case... but still, the suggestion to be careful applies as a general matter. :) Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:52, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Calliopejen1 Oh, forgot to answer, but you're absolutley correct. I should have been more careful and will be so if I return to helping out with that merger. I doubt that will happen though, I have quite a lot going on IRL. Thanks for doing the work! --Trialpears (talk) 21:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Following a discussion at the Village Pump, there is consensus to treat discord logs the same as IRC logs. This means that discord logs will be oversighted if posted onwiki.
Technical news
- DiscussionTools has superseded Enterprisey's reply-link script. Editors may switch using the "Discussion tools" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features.
Arbitration
- A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
- Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
- The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.
Miscellaneous
- Editors have approved expanding the trial of Growth Features from 2% of new accounts to 25%, and the share of newcomers getting mentorship from 2% to 5%. Experienced editors are invited to add themselves to the mentor list.
- The community consultation phase of the 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process is open for editors to provide comments and ask questions to candidates.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- A more efficient way of sending changes from Wikidata to Wikimedia wikis that show them has been enabled for the following 10 wikis: mediawiki.org, the Italian, Catalan, Hebrew and Vietnamese Wikipedias, French Wikisource, and English Wikivoygage, Wikibooks, Wiktionary and Wikinews. If you notice anything strange about how changes from Wikidata appear in recent changes or your watchlist on those wikis you can let the developers know.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 October. It will be on all wikis from 7 October (calendar).
- Some gadgets and bots that use the API to read the AbuseFilter log might break. The
hiddenproperty will no longer say an entry isimplicitfor unsuppressed log entries about suppressed edits. If your bot needs to know this, do a separate revision query. Additionally, the property will have the valuefalsefor visible entries; previously, it wasn't included in the response. [19] - A more efficient way of sending changes from Wikidata to Wikimedia wikis that show them will be enabled for all production wikis. If you notice anything strange about how changes from Wikidata appear in recent changes or your watchlist you can let the developers know.
Future changes
- You can soon get cross-wiki notifications in the iOS Wikipedia app. You can also get notifications as push notifications. More notification updates will follow in later versions. [20]
- The JavaScript variables
wgExtraSignatureNamespaces,wgLegalTitleChars, andwgIllegalFileCharswill soon be removed frommw.config. These are not part of the "stable" variables available for use in wiki JavaScript. [21] - The JavaScript variables
wgCookiePrefix,wgCookieDomain,wgCookiePath, andwgCookieExpirationwill soon be removed from mw.config. Scripts should instead usemw.cookiefrom the "mediawiki.cookie" module. [22]
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16:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Last weather template
Would you be able to switch the talkpage banners for articles using Template:WikiProject Meteorology to Template:WikiProject Weather? I believe we are ready to enact the last (hopefully) talkpage banner merger since a workaround to task force sorting was pointed out by Primefac. I still have to sort them manually, but they I should be able to locate them using the Pet Scan tool. NoahTalk 21:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 October. It will be on all wikis from 14 October (calendar).
- The "auto-number headings" preference is being removed. You can read phab:T284921 for the reasons and discussion. This change was previously announced. A JavaScript snippet is available which can be used to create a Gadget on wikis that still want to support auto-numbering.
Meetings
- You can join a meeting about the Desktop Improvements. A demonstration version of the newest feature will be shown. The event will take place on Tuesday, 12 October at 16:00 UTC. See how to join.
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15:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Question from Renaki1983 (13:13, 13 October 2021)
Hello and thank you for being my mentor. I am new to wikipedia and I'm trying to offer my knowledge on electronic music by preparing lots of biographies of notable Greek Electronic Musicians, or contribute to their articles. I am currently working on Draft:V-Sag and I was wondering if you have any suggestions to have in mind while I'm starting the other artist's biographies. Thank you very much --Renaki1983 (talk) 13:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Toolhub is a catalogue to make it easier to find software tools that can be used for working on the Wikimedia projects. You can read more.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 October. It will be on all wikis from 21 October (calendar).
Future changes
- The developers of the Wikipedia Android app are working on communication in the app. You can now answer questions in survey to help the development.
- 3–5% of editors may be blocked in the next few months. This is because of a new service in Safari, which is similar to a proxy or a VPN. It is called iCloud Private Relay. There is a discussion about this on Meta. The goal is to learn what iCloud Private Relay could mean for the communities.
- Wikimedia Enterprise is a new API for those who use a lot of information from the Wikimedia projects on other sites. It is a way to get big commercial users to pay for the data. There will soon be a copy of the Wikimedia Enterprise dataset. You can read more. You can also ask the team questions on Zoom on 22 October 15:00 UTC.
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20:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Question from Hiro Einstein on Adalaj Stepwell (06:36, 19 October 2021)
Hi madharchod --Hiro Einstein (talk) 06:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Coolest Tool Award 2021 is looking for nominations. You can recommend tools until 27 October.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 October. It will be on all wikis from 28 October (calendar).
Future changes
- Diff pages will have an improved copy and pasting experience. The changes will allow the text in the diff for before and after to be treated as separate columns and will remove any unwanted syntax. [23]
- The version of the Liberation fonts used in SVG files will be upgraded. Only new thumbnails will be affected. Liberation Sans Narrow will not change. [24]
Meetings
- You can join a meeting about the Community Wishlist Survey. News about the disambiguation and the real-time preview wishes will be shown. The event will take place on Wednesday, 27 October at 14:30 UTC. See how to join.
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20:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Growth Newsletter #19
Welcome to the nineteenth newsletter from the Growth team!
The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in Wikimedia projects.
Structured tasks
- "Add a link" is the team's first structured task. It uses machine-learning to suggest wikilinks as easy edits for newcomers. It was deployed in May 2021 on four Wikipedias and then in July on eight more Wikipedias after we evaluated the initial results. So far, we've seen a high level of engagement from newcomers. Communities that have the feature suggested valuable ideas for improvement. We'll work on improvements and then contact more communities to deploy it.
- "Add an image" is the team's second structured task, currently in development. It is an editing task that suggests Commons images for unillustrated Wikipedia articles. We have conducted many community discussions and tests. Then, we've decided to build a first prototype. We'll first deploy it only to our pilot Wikipedias, to learn whether newcomers can be successful with the task. The project page contains links to interactive prototypes. We are very interested to hear your thoughts on this idea as we build and test the early versions. These prototypes have already been tested by newcomers, in English and Spanish.
News for mentors
- The Mentor dashboard is available at our pilot wikis: Arabic, Czech, and Bengali Wikipedias. It will soon be available at a few more volunteering wikis, as a test. [25]
- At wikis where the mentor dashboard is deployed, a new filter is available for mentors. Mentors can monitor their mentees' activity in Watchlist and RecentChanges, so they can help support their mentees' work. For privacy reasons, this filter can't be accessed by someone else than the mentor itself. This filter only filters mentees assigned to the mentor. This filter is not visible for people who are not listed as mentors [26]
Community configuration
- Communities now have the ability to configure how Growth features behave on their own wikis. At Special:EditGrowthConfig, community members can add a list of volunteer mentors, alter the templates used for suggested edits, update help links, and more. This special page is editable by administrators and interface admins.
Scaling
- We are proud to announce that all Wikipedias now have the Growth features! Thank you to all the community members who helped the team build the features and bring them to their wikis. The only exception is Chinese Wikipedia (zh), for technical reasons. [27]
- The wikis that have Growth features deployed have been part of A/B testing since deployment, in which some newcomers did not receive the new features. Now, all of the newcomers on 280 of the smallest of those Wikipedias have the features. [28][29]
- A test is undergoing at English Wikipedia: 25% of newcomers receive the Growth features. The results from this test will be part of a discussion of how to proceed on that wiki.
- Now that Growth features are available at Wikipedia, the Growth team considers to extend them to other projects. Some Wikisource users have expressed some interest in getting Growth features. There is currently a discussion about implementing them on Wikisource.
News for communities
- Do you have questions about the Growth features? This translatable FAQ contains answers to the most common questions about the Growth team work.
- The Growth features were recently used in a test amongst Latin American donors to give donors the opportunity to learn to edit. You can see the results here.
- Interface translations are important for newcomers. Please help for your language, by translating or copyediting interface translations for the Growth features.
- Help:GettingStarted was a feature developed in 2013, which directed newcomers to articles that needed editing. We recently removed this feature from all wikis, because it has been replaced by the Growth features.
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18:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Question from Juniorlistic08 (09:29, 27 October 2021)
hello,where do you post --Juniorlistic08 (talk) 09:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @Juniorlistic08! Welcome to Wikipedia. Where you post depends on what you want to do. If you would be a bit more specific I'm sure I could help you! --Trialpears ([[User talk:Tria
lpears|talk]]) 10:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – November 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2021).
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Guideline and policy news
- Phase 2 of the 2021 RfA review has commenced which will discuss potential solutions to address the 8 issues found in Phase 1. Proposed solutions that achieve consensus will be implemented and you may propose solutions till 07 November 2021.
Technical news
- Toolhub is a catalogue of tools which can be used on Wikimedia wikis. It is at http://toolhub.wikimedia.org/.
Arbitration
- GeneralNotability, Mz7 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2021 Arbitration Committee Elections. Ivanvector and John M Wolfson are reserve commissioners.
- Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves to stand in the 2021 Arbitration Committee elections from 07 November 2021 until 16 November 2021.
Miscellaneous
- The 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of five new CheckUsers and two new Oversighters.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a limit on the amount of emails a user can send each day. This limit is now global instead of per-wiki. This change is to prevent abuse. [30]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 November. It will be on all wikis from 4 November (calendar).
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20:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Question from SoyokoAnis (19:16, 3 November 2021)
It says you're my mentor, I am so confused? --SoyokoAnis - talk 19:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- @SoyokoAnis All users who use the homepage feature get assigned a mentor. It simply means that I'm willing to answer any questions you have. --Trialpears (talk) 09:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, okay! Thanks! SoyokoAnis - talk 11:47, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Mobile IP editors are now able to receive warning notices indicating they have a talk page message on the mobile website (similar to the orange banners available on desktop). These notices will be displayed on every page outside of the main namespace and every time the user attempts to edit. The notice on desktop now has a slightly different colour. [31][32]
Changes later this week
- Wikidata will be read-only for a few minutes on 11 November. This will happen around 06:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance. [33]
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- In the future, unregistered editors will be given an identity that is not their IP address. This is for legal reasons. A new user right will let editors who need to know the IPs of unregistered accounts to fight vandalism, spam, and harassment, see the IP. You can read the suggestions for how that identity could work and discuss on the talk page.
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20:35, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Question from Ranee66 on Joseph Delaney (03:08, 14 November 2021)
Hello Need to update marital status --Ranee66 (talk) 03:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Most large file uploads errors that had messages like "
stashfailed" or "DBQueryError" have now been fixed. An incident report is available.
Problems
- Sometimes, edits made on iOS using the visual editor save groups of numbers as telephone number links, because of a feature in the operating system. This problem is under investigation. [34]
- There was a problem with search last week. Many search requests did not work for 2 hours because of a configuration error. [35]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 November. It will be on all wikis from 18 November (calendar).
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22:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
- The template dialog in VisualEditor and in the new wikitext mode Beta feature will be heavily improved on a few wikis. Your feedback is welcome.
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20:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 December. It will be on all wikis from 2 December (calendar).
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21:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- MediaWiki 1.38-wmf.11 was scheduled to be deployed on some wikis last week. The deployment was delayed because of unexpected problems.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 December. It will be on all wikis from 9 December (calendar).
- At all Wikipedias, a Mentor Dashboard is now available at
Special:MentorDashboard. It allows registered mentors, who take care of newcomers' first steps, to monitor their assigned newcomers' activity. It is part of the Growth features. You can learn more about activating the mentor list on your wiki and about the mentor dashboard project. - The predecessor to the current MediaWiki Action API (which was created in 2008),
action=ajax, will be removed this week. Any scripts or bots using it will need to switch to the corresponding API module. [36] - An old ResourceLoader module,
jquery.jStorage, which was deprecated in 2016, will be removed this week. Any scripts or bots using it will need to switch tomediawiki.storageinstead. [37]
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21:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – December 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).
Administrator changes
Technical news
- Unregistered editors using the mobile website are now able to receive notices to indicate they have talk page messages. The notice looks similar to what is already present on desktop, and will be displayed on when viewing any page except mainspace and when editing any page. (T284642)
- The limit on the number of emails a user can send per day has been made global instead of per-wiki to help prevent abuse. (T293866)
Arbitration
- Voting in the 2021 Arbitration Committee Elections is open until 23:59, 06 December 2021 (UTC).
- The already authorized standard discretionary sanctions for all pages relating to the Horn of Africa (defined as including Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and adjoining areas if involved in related disputes), broadly construed, have been made permanent.
Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled
A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Question from FarhanMurtazaQureshiPakistan (12:56, 7 December 2021)
Hi, I'm a newcomer here. Please guide me to start with this and make Wikipedia more better. --FarhanMurtazaQureshiPakistan (talk) 12:56, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- @FarhanMurtazaQureshiPakistan Welcome to Wikipedia Farhan! Wikipedia has lots of places that could uses your help, such as articles needing expansion or additional sources. For a list of some other areas in neeed of help you could check out Wikipedia:Task Center. Personally I would recommend just looking at some articles about a topic you're interested in and noticing possible areas for improvement with them. It looks like you've tried out this approach already, which is great! Just two things that could be good to consider in the future: On Wikipedia we want sources for our content so people can verify what the articles says is accurate. This can be quite tricky but, Help:Referencing for beginners is a page that explains how to do it quite well. It can also be good to give an edit summary to explain why you make an edit, especially when you remove content which isn't obviously problematic. If you wish to read some more about contributing there's Help:Introduction to Wikipedia which contains a bunch of useful information.
- Finally if you have any more questions or want me to elaborate on something I'm happy to help! Happy editing! --Trialpears (talk) 00:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)