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On 7 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zapotitlán metro station, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the pictogram of Zapotitlán metro station depicts an indented sapote tree as the word tlantli means 'tooth' in Nahuatl? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zapotitlán metro station. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Zapotitlán metro station), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Another Believer assuming the former governor was referring to them, Las Danzarinas seems to be the official name. The source you included says "that's why it is also known as "Fuente Danzarina"". It also says that it is a replica based on that of the Taj Mahal. Google names tend to be based upon common local names because they are updated by users.[1](CC)Tbhotch™21:18, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
There's currently a new conflict in the White Mexicans article, it's an editor trying to force his way into the article disregarding sources, consensus and using rather subjective arguments to do so like we've seen various times before and are familiar with by now, would appreciate your help. Pob3qu3 (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm watching that page due to the persistent sockpuppets. However, that user is older than the average, so I can't see a connection. If disputes continue, I'd recommend you to follow WP:DR techniques. (CC)Tbhotch™02:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Antarctica for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
NAMB notwithstanding, I have myself many times typed in a search term looking for, say, a book but hit enter too quickly, or fumbled when selecting from the drop-down menu, and gone to the wrong article, about the film or franchise or game or whatever. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has. For that reason I think the hatnote's the least we could do for people.
To be fair, though, I think there's a case for getting rid of the "(film)" afterwards as I think it's the primary topic for "The Exorcist" ... I mean, the novel is way down there on the menu when you search (and of course, if we drop the disambiguator, then we probably will need the hatnote). Daniel Case (talk) 18:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Personal errors are personal. Wikipedia does not need to oversaturate every page with a hatnote with a premise that someone might arrive at the wrong page because they misclick it at the search bar. (CC)Tbhotch™18:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Per WP:ASTONISH: "Ensure that redirects and hatnotes that are likely to be useful are in place. If a user wants to know about the branch of a well-known international hotel chain in the French capital, they may type "Paris Hilton" into the search box. This will, of course, take them to the page associated with a well-known socialite called Paris Hilton. Luckily, though, a hatnote at the top of that article exists in order to point our user to an article which they will find more useful.
We cannot control all astonishment – the point of an encyclopedia is to learn things, after all. But limiting the surprises our readers find within our articles' text will encourage rather than frustrate our readers." Daniel Case (talk) 18:49, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
can you explain how someone writing "The Exorcist (film)" will be astonished to discover that the article "The Exorcist (film)" is not about a novel or the general concept of exorcism? (CC)Tbhotch™18:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Most readers who are not also editors don't type in the dab term when they search. Sometimes people aren't even aware there should be a dab term ... for instance, in the film context, there are many people unaware that popular films such as The Warriors and Fight Club are based on novels (This sometimes carries into more than just reading ... I have had both the article about the novel and the film of The Devil Wears Prada on my watchlist for years, since before the movie was even made (hell, I started that article when the teaser onesheet was available to illustrate it) and for years I have had to revert edits to the novel article where people change plot details to those in the film (most often, that Andie went to Northwestern, which she did in the film, whereas in the novel she's a Brown grad). I can only imagine that, that big "(novel)" in the article title notwithstanding, these people thought they were editing the article about the film. And maybe a hatnote there would be a good idea. Daniel Case (talk) 19:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, because "Fight Club" is at the base name and a link marking other uses at Fight Club (disambiguation) is required. If "Fight Club" were at "Fight Club (film)", then there would not be a hatnote (just like in your example at The Warriors (film)). You are not providing a single reason to say that the lack of hatnotes is astonishing. You are merely applying your own vision on why you think hatnotes are required and that's why WP:NAMB was created, to explain to users that hatnotes are used for very specific reasons. People are not going to type "The Exorcist (film)" if they want to read about a novel or about exorcisms. People will type Exorcist and The Exorcist to find what they are looking for, and in the case of the latter, they will find a franchise pointing them out all the The Exorcist-related topics. Just as disambiguations are not added just for the sake of it, neither are hatnotes added under the assumption that "someone will make a mistake in their search". (CC)Tbhotch™19:33, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
WP:HATCHEAP: "Hatnotes can save users time, such as by eliminating the need to use a disambiguation page or alerting the reader they are at the wrong article. For the desired effect, the hatnote must be displayed prominently up front." (Emphasis mine) From, in fact, WP:NAMB itself: "[H]atnotes should be used when they benefit the reader, regardless of whether the title is technically ambiguous or not." (emphasis mine again) And I think that a work with an identical title in print and on screen is ambiguous by virtue of requiring a dab term. Daniel Case (talk) 19:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Considering that in the last month [5]Exorcist (disambiguation) received 273 views and Exorcism (disambiguation) received 116, I don't see how anyone is "saving their time" (like 5 to 10 seconds typing "T H E E X O R C I S T" in a search bar). If we further add that the film received 92,155 views, it's quite clear that no one is arriving there by mistake. Otherwise, the dab pages would have higher views. Therefore, this is hardly an occasional exception. (CC)Tbhotch™19:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The dab issue to me isn't between "The Exorcist" and "exorcist" ... it's about all the entries under "The Exorcist" which could lead to people typing in that title who want to read the novel article ending up at the film one instead and become mildly irritated at that, and perhaps even more were they to read this discussion and see that someone who could have changed that instead holds them in contempt.
But anyway ... those hit figures make an even stronger case for dropping the dab term from the movie article and putting it on the franchise article (where The Exorcist currently takes you), as it's clearer that the movie is the primary topic.
I see nothing in policy where we make a decision on this purely on the basis of article statistics, and as for "I don't see how anyone is 'saving their time'" and "it's quite clear that no one is arriving there by mistake", well, how do you know that? It is perhaps a reasonable inference, but we don't exactly poll people when they reach the article, do we? We don't know this from the top-level data. Daniel Case (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
If 'The dab issue to me isn't between "The Exorcist" and "exorcist"' then you don't understand the general purpose of hatnotes. (CC)Tbhotch™20:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
instead of wasting my time with circular commentary, feel free to open a WP:RFC or discuss it elsewhere, becauuse here you keep barking to the wrong tree. My position will not change no matter how many times you reword your same argument. (CC)Tbhotch™
Actually, the more I think about this the real issue may not be the hatnote as much as the article title. I should at some point in the future open an RM to have the film article have just the bare title, with the franchise article disambiguated with "(franchise)", because the presence of the hatnote suggests we have tacitly recognized that the vast majority of people type in "The Exorcist" to read about the 1973 film, not the franchise.
We'll see ... that last discussion was almost nine years ago, and of course as you know consensus can change. I should probably do that sooner rather than later; I have this idea of getting that article to FA status in time for it to run on the Main Page on December 23, 2023, the 50th anniversary of its release, and as it's not even a GA (never been nominated, even, it seems) yet there's not too much time to waste, so getting the title issue cleared up—either way—would probably be a good place to start before anything else. Daniel Case (talk) 18:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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On 19 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fuente de las Tarascas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that although the sculptor of Las Tarascas(work pictured) based their faces on that of a real woman, their bodies were invented? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fuente de las Tarascas. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Fuente de las Tarascas), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I don’t appreciate the rude response to my question about Kate Middleton profile picture. I work for a anti bullying charity , especially for social media . I have seen many comments and can show screenshots if possible towards this picture. I try and denounce online hate and horrible comments. That’s all I do . There are many other pictures to use . 2A02:C7F:570D:F400:39AB:1664:5884:8F9E (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
I don’t appreciate the response as I do volunteer for a anti bullying charity, especially online harassment . I have reported that I have seen many online hateful comments towards this picture and al I am trying to do is help. 2A02:C7F:570D:F400:39AB:1664:5884:8F9E (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
The reason as to why I have replied on your page is because I am not able to respond to your comment on the other as it will not allow me. I can try and send you an alternate but how would I copy the pictures on here to show you ?
I understand that I have not let this go but the bullying has mostly taken place because of the picture and I can show screenshots for proof . I am not able to attach photos to reply to you . 2A02:C7F:570D:F400:4449:5152:ACCF:792C (talk) 23:54, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Gringo RFC
This was a well-meaning effort but it doesn't look very good on the talk page. Folks are just ignoring the discussion but tagging the page with responses anyway. Good try, though. Ideas about how to either get the discussion inline or move forward? BusterD (talk) 03:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
February 2022
Happy Lunar New Year
Happy Year of the Tiger!
And while I'm here, thanks for the copy-editing work you did on Jeffrey Rosenfeld - just in time for his DYK appearance (it's there right now).
I am constantly amazed at how I can read a piece over and over, and still not pick up on my own basic errors. So thanks for cleaning it up.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Do you request move protection as well on K. Annamalai?
Thank you! That also likely explains why I recently saw an AfD log in one of the open AfD categories. Figured it was a rogue category, but wasn't sure where to begin to look. Thanks again! StarMississippi02:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
On 18 February 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Balbuena metro station, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Balbuena metro station was flooded with sewage following a failure attributed to an unrelated fire? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Balbuena metro station. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Balbuena metro station), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi.Kazemi Dam Based on the sources, I replaced the correct information. You can read or check the sources. Please protect this article. In Persian Wikipedia, that user sabotages with different accounts. Thanks.Masoud bukani (talk) 06:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Kazemi Dam
@Tbhotch: Hello , all editions you did on Kazemi Dam was changed by Masoud bukani and he insists to make an edition war on this article. please revert his editions to the last one you did and protect the article. This user is misusing Wikipedia both Persian and English for his wishes. He have a mafia in persian Wikipedia and is closing other users accounts. Thank you, Khabat4545-2 (talk) 08:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up after the page moves regarding Encanto light rail. As you can see, the round robin page moves caused a little bit of chaos on our Broken Redirect report which was issued at the same time you were doing your moves, but when I checked all of the broken redirects, they had been fixed and didn't need any extra work from me or the bots. Many editors don't leave a redirect when they do page moves or correct a bad page move which can cause problems with redirects to the original location but you had great follow through here so thank you! LizRead!Talk!21:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
On 19 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Monumento a los Constructores, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that those who toppled the Monumento a los Constructores said that it was "a symbol of subordination, representation of slavery and an emblem of the Spanish genocide"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Monumento a los Constructores. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Monumento a los Constructores), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Apologies - I was attempting to revert the IP, reloaded the page, and accidentally reverted you instead. Thanks for all you did to help deal with whoever was disrupting that page. Aoi (青い) (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
If you see that IP talking about "Lubek" and linking to archive.is links, just revert the edit; it is a permanently banned pest spreading his nonsensical conspiracy theories on Wikipedia. Just so you know. I've also removed your reply on that page per DENY; if you think I have erred in removing your reply, you can revert me. JavaHurricane04:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
The one at the airport was part of this collection named Raza de Bronze. According to his website, that one is named Perseidas (420 x 240 x 340 cms, 2015), while the other one is named Balanza Monumental (280 x 330 x 180 cms, 2007). If anything the notability would rely on the collections as a whole. (CC)Tbhotch™21:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Michael Jackson's This Is It concert Wikipedia source
Hi Tbhotch,
I edited the source of Michael Jackson's This Is It concert series in London from the Wikipedia.
Why did you removed the concert dates. I put the concert dates of where Michael Jackson would perform, but you removed it. Why did you removed it? Is it unsourced or anything?
As far as I can see, some of the sculptures do have the name of the subjects, but it is not clear enough in most of the pictures. (CC)Tbhotch™22:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I am making a sandbox for a page I would eventually like to implement but I don't know how to prevent them from showing up in the catagories in mainspace. I saw your source on your sandbox but I can't figure out how to hide my sandbox from categories, can you help me out? June Parker (talk) 02:51, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Laidback Luke
Hello there sir Good day i know the concern but mr van Scheppingen did not start in 1993 I know he realeased show me love on that year 1993 but his career originally began in 1992 as a bedroom DJ Jangabrielsantos (talk) 06:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Apology regarding in the content of laiback luke
Hello there sir i sincerely apologize for the edits i made if i exposed the privacy of mr Van scheppingen i am so sorry for that the reason i edited his biography is that his father's name mr Kees was not included and his mother Lucy was only included upon searching in google his father was already posted on the Google search
So i included the Fathers name in the career section and i just wanted to add his mentors in the career section also so i admit i made a mistake on that pls forgive me. Jangabrielsantos (talk) 02:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
"disruptive" editing
I do not understand how are my edits of Oscar Isaac's Wikipedia article "controversial" and "disruptive". I have investigated a lot about him, and in every article it says that he is Guatemalan, just the fact that he was born in that country already makes him a citizen from that place. I just think you should investigate more, because he's also said in a lot on interviews that he IS Guatemalan. Reqlitybites (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
stop removing my edits=
The princess is of the house of Glucksburg like her father, stop putting incorrect information out there, there’s jo evidence that Margethe II issue belong to a different house, every single female monarch in europe since the 1700s with the exterior of Queen Victoria has had their descendants be of their house. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.192.18 (talk) 01:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
May 2022
Final warning on Cg120's talk
Which edit are you referring to? I don't see any disruptive edit after the personal attacks, which I gave them a level-3 warning for. I think this editor mostly makes constructive edits and is just too new to be able to handle criticism well, so I'm trying to steer them into AGF. Nardog (talk) 16:23, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Isn't the point of the progressive warning to show that the recipient has done something despite earlier warnings? They've done nothing disruptive since the last level-3. Nardog (talk) 16:31, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Warns are a courtesy method used to inform a person that they are making mistakes. Admins can and have blocked users with little to no warns, I see no point to wait until the next disruption when Cg120 said it loud and clear: "Oh I'm so scared yeah this BOT is really convincing" (i.e. I don't give a shit if I get blocked). If you analyzeUser talk:Cg120#Truth Social, the user is not here to collaborate, he's just here to waste our time. If you want to assume good faith on them, good for you, but I can't see any reason to do the same. (CC)Tbhotch™16:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Well, that last comment they just made has cleared my misgivings about your warning, unfortunately. Nardog (talk) 16:44, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I'm Amangeldy Beksultan 2.0
I didn't cite other sources, it was already listed. Just check the source [26] on Komodo dragon and then you will understand what I am talking about.
Ayuda en Wiki en Español
Hola Tbhotch, años luz que no te escribía. Te escribo en español porque recuerdo que hablabas mi idioma, espero no te moleste. Seguro no me recuerdas pero muchos años atrás te pedí ayuda por una disputa que había en el artículo de Gustavo Cerati. De hecho creo que fue hace 12 años ja ja. Mira ahora te escribo para saber si puedes ayudarme en algo en la Wikipedia en español. Resulta que hay gente que se ha dedicado a poner los samples que usó Gustavo Cerati directo en el tracklist de cada álbum, en cada una de las canciones, lo cual interpreto que tiene intenciones maliciosas de detractores del artista. Pero obviamente la cosa no va con lo que yo interprete, y tampoco va de "ocultar" los samples, porque perfectamente pueden describirse el uso de samples en una sección del artículo (así como en el artículo de artistas como Massive Attack se habla de los samples). De hecho, yo añadí una descripción respecto a los muchos samples usados del álbum Bocanada en la wiki en español. El punto es que además de que no se hace con todos los artistas que ocupan samples, considero que es profundamente antiestético ponerlo en el tracklist. En este caso, tomo de ejemplo a esta impecable Wikipedia en inglés con artistas como Massive Attack. Sospecho que si elimino dichos samples de la tracklist, habrán varios usuarios con intenciones de revertirlo, muchos de los cuales no estarán ni registrados. Acabo de añadir un tema respecto a lo mismo en la página de discusión de Gustavo Cerati en el wiki en español para ver si obtengo apoyo u opiniones de otros wikipedistas. No sé si puedas ayudarme o darme alguna opinión al respecto. Sería valioso de un usuario de tu experiencia en la página. Saludos --Gabriel (talk) 23:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Puente de Fierro
On 28 May 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Puente de Fierro, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that it is rumored that the Puente de Fierro(pictured) in Mexico was designed by Gustave Eiffel? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Puente de Fierro. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Puente de Fierro), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Hey there’s a discussion going on on Mandy Moore on whether I Wanna Be with You should be a compilation album or a reissue, could you please, if you have time read the discussion and share your thoughts as I tried pinging you but I’m not sure if you saw it or not. Thanks! Pillowdelight (talk) 20:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
June 2022
DYK for Chabacano metro station
On 4 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chabacano metro station, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Chabacano metro station has a composition named after it and it served as a film location for the 1990 film Total Recall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chabacano metro station. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Chabacano metro station), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
As you can see the tree is surviving. If it dies it will continue being in the news. BTW, I walked for a while at Reforma and I saw that all the sculptures I saw have the name of the subject and I will guess their authors and their age (I saw that one was by Isaac Calvo, maybe all of the old ones are). (CC)Tbhotch™23:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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