User talk:Skinnydrifter
She Wants Revenge
[edit]Greetings Skinnydrifter, well I've been curious to know why you consider She Wants Revenge as Darkwave? I would be thankful to know why and if you want me, I can later post references of some articles that refer She Wants Revenge as post-punk revival. The-15th 23:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Well the thing is that the term of post-punk revival is a recent one (probably it could have been used around 2003 or as early as 2002) and I think that many bands that bear a dark sound similar to Joy Division probably could have been classified as goth rock even before the term was used. I mean, Goth Rock and Death Rock did develop from Post-punk and bands like Joy Division, Bauhaus and Siouxsie and The Banshees are usually condfused with these genres (Peter Murphy has stated that he never made "goth rock" and that he rather described himself as a post-punk and it does sound true as goth rock in the first wave was basically "dark post-punk"). But I've heard enough post-punk during these years and I could say the She Wants Revenge fits better in the description of the new wave of post-punk, now, about Darkwave...there is a whole confusion about the term, some people consider it "goth rock with new wave" or "new wave with a dark feeling"...and personally I haven't heard much of it.
Probably Darkwave must have changed, if you talk about new Darkwave, well there will be a distortion of the genre and what it sounds like, so if you might try to compare new darkwave acts with dark new post-punk acts, well there might not be much of a difference...or probably She Wants Revenge sounds Darkwave because the post-punk revival movement usually mixes new wave with post-punk (see The Killers, Elastica, Franz Ferdinand or The Rapture on their debut album). Anyways, I think I've found more reviews of She Wants Revenge describing their sound similar to "70's post-punk" and Joy Division...check on google. Who knows, I've only heard Pink Industry and found it completely different to She Wants Revenge. Cheers. The-15th (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
(from The-15 Talk page for reference)
- Their (She Wants Revenge's) first reviews I saw on the internet, when nobody heard of them, regarded them as a goth rock band. [1] So I looked into it. Ever since then, I can't find a reason why they aren't goth rock. But Dark wave is what you're asking...
- It's just the experience with the many shades of darkwave I'm convinced, though I wouldn't have called them that when they first started out. I've heard all the songs they've released and some they haven't, even heard how they perform live. They're just something that appeals to the fans of the first wave of goth rock bands, like those of the deathrock, darkwave and often ebm genres as well. Please get back to me.
(Skinnydrifter (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- You're right Pink Industry sounds nothing like She Wants Revenge. But Nine Inch Nails doesn't sound like Psychic TV. Darkwave is a vast genre that I've been exploring for well over many years before I discovered She Wants Revenge. You can't listen to one band and say that's darkwave, cause there are so many layers. During my time I have found atleast 9 types of darkwave.
- I've never heard darkwave referred to as goth rock and new wave before. That's like saying cold wave is cold rock and new wave. So you might ask, How can Project Pitchfork, Girls Under Glass, VNV Nation and Rotersand be called darkwave at times? The most frequent usage in regards to the term is electronic goth music, which I usually agree with. A lot of She Wants Revenge is more electronic than a post-punk. Early Depeche Mode, Clan of Xymox, some London After Midnight, Wolfsheim or The Danse Society may lead you in the right direction. Then you could try the core sound of darkwave (the type that I think She Wants Revenge fit in with) with bands like Pink Turns Blue and Feeding Fingers.
- There's always a particular mellow strings/synth sound section typical throughout this subgenre of music that sets it away from indie rock and post-punk genres. Covering Depeche Mode's "Stripped" must have been a bad move if they never wanted to be called darkwave, as that song is from their most considered "darkwave" album. Before, the song was covered by Rammstein which launched their popularity, whilst still an unknown band. This was also the reason why they were often called gothic metal rather than NDH or even industrial metal in their early years. Maybe this could change with She Wants Revenge when they grow and progress their style, but there's no denying their goth to darkwave influenced sound.
- I find it's good they're doing their own thing, that's why I don't disagree that they are partly a post-punk revival, but that's only one piece of a bigger picture. Goths usually have a wide variety of musical inspirations and influences, that's where the confusion starts.
- There's always a particular mellow strings/synth sound section typical throughout this subgenre of music that sets it away from indie rock and post-punk genres. Covering Depeche Mode's "Stripped" must have been a bad move if they never wanted to be called darkwave, as that song is from their most considered "darkwave" album. Before, the song was covered by Rammstein which launched their popularity, whilst still an unknown band. This was also the reason why they were often called gothic metal rather than NDH or even industrial metal in their early years. Maybe this could change with She Wants Revenge when they grow and progress their style, but there's no denying their goth to darkwave influenced sound.
- I've never heard darkwave referred to as goth rock and new wave before. That's like saying cold wave is cold rock and new wave. So you might ask, How can Project Pitchfork, Girls Under Glass, VNV Nation and Rotersand be called darkwave at times? The most frequent usage in regards to the term is electronic goth music, which I usually agree with. A lot of She Wants Revenge is more electronic than a post-punk. Early Depeche Mode, Clan of Xymox, some London After Midnight, Wolfsheim or The Danse Society may lead you in the right direction. Then you could try the core sound of darkwave (the type that I think She Wants Revenge fit in with) with bands like Pink Turns Blue and Feeding Fingers.
(Skinnydrifter (talk) 12:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC))
On more friendly terms . . .
[edit]By the way, what's your favorite Bauhaus song? Mine is "Dark Entries", but I've recently been really into the "Telegram Sam" cover. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- I have recently loved Mask's version of Kick in The Eye oh and Dancing from the same album is great. I love the singles too Passion of Lovers and The Sanity Assassin... it's easier to say which is the best album they're great! (Skinnydrifter (talk) 12:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC))
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