User talk:Sfentami
September 2014
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Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello 'Dr.K', I adjusted obviously biased information as it was not only incorrect but as aforementioned biased towards Greek policy and opinion about their own minority and just outright not true. I think you apparently have no idea of the information that is available on this subject, and you should do well to inform yourself before declaring my adjustments biased, since ironically, I adjusted them to a more neutral tone to the subject as the given tone is not at all neutral. Therefore, I cannot understand why you would send me a reprimand concerning Wikipedia's neutral policy whereas you allowed for this kind of biased propaganda information to be posted in the first place. It is incredible to me that Wikipedia allowes this and seemingly picks sides, otherwise it is not clear to me why you would reject my adjustments.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfentami (talk • contribs)
- Please see WP:CONSENSUS. There is no consensus for your edits - in other words noone agrees with your position on Wikipedia, except perhaps a few editors holding extreme views. It is an extreme position which has no support here. Therefore, if you want to continue editing here, no more of these edits which seek to insert highly POV material about the Republic of Macedonia and its people. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
That's just not true. I cite "As millions of ethnic Greeks identify themselves as Macedonians, unrelated to the Slavic people who are associated with the Republic of Macedonia, Greece further objects to the use of the term "Macedonian" for the neighboring country's largest ethnic group and its language. " from Wikipedia (the article about the Macedonia naming dispute). Therefore, you see that I actually have millions on my side, millions that you blatantly choose to ignore. Apparently, Wikipedia is not neutral as you claim it to be. For many of the claims in this article there isn't even a footnote. Also, the tone in which it is written is highly biased. My position is not at all extreme. Read the adjustments carefully and you'll inevitably come to this conclusion. In order to substantiate the above, I cite¨" Η Ελλάδα αντιτίθεται στο συνταγματικό όνομα του γειτονικού κράτους που είναι Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας (Република Македонија, Republika Makedonija), λόγω έλλειψης αποσαφήνισης μεταξύ αυτού και του όμορου ελληνικού γεωγραφικού διαμερίσματος της Μακεδονίας.". Also, the word" coercion" in this article (i.e. the one under scrutiny) is completely biased and not politically neutral. Neutral would be the use of FYROM as a name (citing this: "Until a solution is found, the provisional reference "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (often abbreviated as FYROM) is used by international organisations and states which do not recognise translations of the constitutional name Republic of Macedonia (Република Македонија, Republika Makedonija)." from Wikipedia). This is just a few things to strengthen my argument in favour of an adjustment of the totally NOT neutral tone of the article under discussion. The highly POV material you refer to is already in use and YOU are supporting this.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfentami (talk • contribs)
- Not true. You added POV and unsourced material which sounds like your opinion:
...by the inhabitants of FYROM and also by uninformed foreigners. It is a slavic language very much akin to Bulgarian, which has led to claims by Bulgarians that the inhabitants of FYROM are Bulgarians instead of some separate people.
Considering that Greeks view these attempts of Slavonic inhabitants of FYROM a violation of a 2500-year-old history that is in core Greek, this is nothing to be surprised about.
The supporters of FYROM and its nationalistic ideas support the idea to refer to the language of the Christian Slavonic-speakers in Greek Macedonia as Macedonian.
- You also cannot call the Republic of Macedponia "FYROM" on Wikipedia. There has been a decision about that called WP:NCMAC. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:24, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
It can sound like my opinion but as stated earlier it is shared by millions. Do you really want me to start a petition? I will. You also ignore the fact that the original article was as biased as you claim my remarks to be. The things it stated were also not all sourced. If you would reject my article because of my alleged bias and not your PERSONAL BIAS you would have told me 'dear ms. Sfentami, I cannot accept your changes to our article unless you provide more backup or sources for your adjustments'. Instead, you chose to immediately reject everything because YOU think it is wrong, whereas an objective person would try to give the other party the chance to adjust instead of reject and needlessly insult. You have no idea who I am and what my academic credentials are. Only in that context your ignorant and biased (how ironic) rejection of my claims can be excused. The only reason for your fiery defending the obvious pro-FYROMian article here on Wikipedia would be that you have an origin from there. Otherwise your reaction can not be considered logical (at all). Also, that decision your talking about cannot be legal and certainly not unbiased. As you can read even on your own Wikipedia, there'a been a dispute about the name of the FYROM and officially the state's name was declared to be 'FYROM'. Therefore, if Wikipedia would truly be 'neutral' as you claim it to be, it would definately NOT make use of this illegal term in official uses for the FYROM. I wonder what that decision entails and who made it: the 10 million inhabitants of Greece certainly didn't agree nor were they asked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfentami (talk • contribs)
By the way, this statement "The supporters of FYROM and its nationalistic ideas support the idea to refer to the language of the Christian Slavonic-speakers in Greek Macedonia as Macedonian." is not biased, but based on the true situation. Just because YOU don't like a statement, doesn not make it untrue! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfentami (talk • contribs)
- Yup, you hold such fanatical views on the subject that you even know that I originate from Macedonia just because I disagree with you. Do you really think all Greeks are a monolithic block which shares your extreme views on the subject? That's absolute nonsense. Please leave your fanaticism out of Wikipedia. I don't have to take you clueless personal attacks or reply to them. One last piece of advice, although I'm not hopeful that you will follow it, given your fanaticism: Do not edit Macedonian-related articles with your POV. Believe me, it will save you a lot of WP:BLOCK appeals. You can have the WP:LASTWORD of course. I am done here trying to educate you about WP:NPOV. I will not waste my time here any more. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Correction: the one altering history here and being biased as well as blatantly raping the truth on here is you. THAT's how I understood you are from the FYROM. You should do well to heed your own advice, since it is evident that you are the fanatic on here. You shouldn't be in the position to edit, alter or decide on a neutral encyclopedia, because obviously you are completely biased yourself. FYI, I am not Greek. So, who's being subjective here, I, a non-Greek that happens to disagree with your political FYROMian propaganda, or you, a native of FYROM sneakily altering people's perceptions on here, by feeding them false info? You reek of bias, and that's how I understood you. Be sure to receive complaints, a petition is underway. I don't respond well to threats, neither do I find them impressive. Good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfentami (talk • contribs)
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:Sfentami. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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