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Paid editing

Hello SameStruggle. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to Black hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:SameStruggle. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=SameStruggle|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. GSS (talk|c|em) 12:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

@GSS: Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention. This is the first time I have done a paid Wikipedia project and was not aware that I would have to disclose the client info and so on. I am gladly open to share the details. I might be producing more paid articles in the near future, not written as advertisements but because those articles don't exist in the first place, and will be creating a list of paid articles on my user page, as I just read the guidelines on the paid contribution disclosure page. Kindly guide me further. SameStruggle (talk) 16:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

For starters, you need to actually declare your client - I doubt very much that you are paid by ACME, as your userpage currently suggests. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Yunshui: That was a blunder on my part; I copied the template from the paid template guidelines page and had pasted on my user page to test how it looks but instead of replacing the name of the employer with the actual employer I saved ACME accidentally. My employer is a freelancer on freelancer.com and he gave me this project among others but this is the only one I have worked on so far. So, do I need to paste the freelancer profile link of the employer or just write the name + via freelancer.com? Thanks SameStruggle (talk) 11:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Your openness is appreciated. However, due to repeated abuse of multiple accounts, editors working for Revival786 are regarded as breaching Wikipedia's rules on off-wiki collusion, and are usually blocked on sight. Since you have been honest about this relationship (more than can be said for most of Revival's puppets), I'm willing to offer you the option to avoid this; if you identify the drafts you have created which were paid for by Revival and cease work on them, and agree that you will not take on any more paid jobs from Revival, I'm willing to allow you to continue editing here (in your own personal capacity, rather than as a paid editor). Yunshui ^雲_水 12:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@Yunshui: Thank you very much for letting me know about this. I had no idea it was this bad. I am editing off and on for about 10 years on Wikipedia and I love making authentic, nuetral contributions wherever I can and would never consciously hurt the platform in anyway whatsoever. I was not given any such information by Revival786. I am in shock and kind of nervous that I almost got blocked/banned here because of someone else's games. I am going to say BYE to Revival786 for good. Thanks again. SameStruggle (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Could you please email me or Yunshui a link to your freelancer profile? Thank you – GSS (talk|c|em) 12:15, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@GSS: Unfortunately, I deleted the profile as soon as I received the message from Yunshui. I had made the profile 2 weeks ago (by the same name SameStruggle) to use my Wikipedia knowledge to earn some cash on the side and this was the very 1st project I was given. Now going through so much only in the 1st-ever project made me realize that there is no use of doing it anymore because any further similar experiences are only going to put my credibility in jeopardy and eventually I will be banned/blocked. I really appreciate the timely wake-up calls by you two. SameStruggle (talk) 12:37, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Paid editing is definitely a bad gig to get into; it's a massive drain on our resources and is very much frowned upon, although not outright banned. I'm glad to hear you'll be avoiding such jobs in the future, and wish you luck with your future editing. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:18, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

However, whilst the Revival issue may be resolved, it looks very much as though this may not be your first foray into COI editing - what is your relationship with Sanki King (bearing in mind that I already have a pretty good idea of the answer)? Yunshui ^雲_水 08:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Yunshui: I myself am Sanki King and I created this article when I was a schoolboy because I thought this was like a social media platform; I was a kid and didn't know better. Back then I had no knowledge of Wikipedia and this article got nominated for deletion many many times and everytime that happened I lost my mind(as evident in my previous conversations in the archives). I had written the article like an advertisement and it was a complete mess. But with time, especially in the last 3-4 years, I taught myself how to be good in Wikipedia and improved the article based on Wikipedia guidelines and I also stopped fighting editors for removing/adding contents, banners to the article and I became open to advice and criticism. That's when the article started to improve and I am thankful that it did not come to a point where the article got deleted and I got banned. And rightnow, if you read the article end to end, you would find it to be completely neutral and well cited. You would not find anything out of the sphere of the third-party sources and if there is anything like that then it wouldn't be added by me. I understand that this is a COI but if you look at my previous edits in the last 2 years or so, you will find that I only added valid sources. So, I can stop directly contributing to the article if you wish but I would please request you to not ban or block me because there are many highly reliable new sources that I would like to share here on the talk page (now and also in future, as new resources come to light) and you can add them to the article if they seem fit; as read on the COI guidelines page "you may propose changes on talk pages (by using the request edit template), or by posting a note at the COI noticeboard, so that they can be peer-reviewed." Also, I understand why the COI banner was placed but the "additional resources needed" banner doesn't make sense to me(review the references and sources section please). In conclusion, I am glad that this issue got brought up again as well and I thought that it would be mature to share the truth to avoid future conflicts & negatve energies. I have nothing to hide. Best, SameStruggle (talk) 07:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Okay. You've been upfront with us here, albeit somewhat late in the day, and so I'm not going to impose any sanctions at this point. Please ensure that going forward you:

• declare your COI with regards to any articles about you or that relate to you or your work
• correctly declare any paid work you undertake on Wikipedia
• avoid undertaking any paid work for known sockpuppeteers

You should be aware (I'm sure that you are by this point!) that the Wikipedia community discourages paid editing and conflict-of-interest editing very strongly. Your best course of action would be to avoid these difficulties by simply steering clear of any paid editing work in the future. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:25, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

@Yunshui: Noted with thanks. I have also disclosed my identity on my article's talk page and have added authentic, reliable sources to be viewed and added to the article as references and also to be used to expand the article if possible. Please have a look when you have time and and remove the banners from the article when the sources are added either by you or other editors. Looking forward. Regards SameStruggle (talk) 08:52, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

So after all these years, I found what I have suspected for a long time. I am interested in street artists so I found Sanki King article (I have created Yantr and Daku (artist)). In Talk:Sanki_King#Sanki King is Wikipedia Editor!, when you defended User:Abdullah Ahmed Khan: As far as Sanki King being an editor himself is concerned, that account does not look like a Secret Wikipedia Account, anyone can be a Wikipedia editor. But Sanki did not create this article and you don't see him marketing himself anywhere on his page or this article that I created. So let's stick to the point here and let's not throw sarcasm at each other like "Ask him if you have any problems :)", this does not improve anything. I suspected that you are also his sock. As you had his some personal looking images and information, I had tagged the article with Conflict of Interest tag in 2016. Few months after it, User:Abdullah removed personal info identifying his account from his userpage confirming some of my doubts. I had improved the article a little bit back then. The article has improved dramatically since then (with some personal info removed such as birth date). I am happy that you told the truth. Did you operated User:Abdullah Ahmed Khan account? Please enlist your other accounts if any. See guidelines here: WP:MULTIPLE. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 05:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

User:Sanki (Artist) Is this yours, SameStruggle? -Nizil (talk) 06:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Yunshui:, I have asked him to enlist all other accounts he operated mistakenly/unknowingly. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 06:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: I had a detailed conversation with @Yunshui: which is present above. The conversation that you have pasted above and everything that you have talked about that happened between us; Yunshui has already gone through all of it so I don't understand why you have written such a long passage. I was obsessed with promoting myself back in the days and those are the days when we came across each other and I did make some very silly mistakes, until this January; Yunshui directly asked me that he suspects that I am Sanki and I realized that there was no need to continue this anymore as I have been having so much press in the last 3 years that I don't need to contribute to the article myself anymore or be secretive about anything. As far as the other account is concerned which is by my real name, I don't remember the last time I used it. There are no other accounts and you can feel free to look for any if you are still suspicious. As can be seen on my article's talk page; I am already taking help from Koavf to improve the article and he has been very generous enough to agree to help me. The whole case is like an open book. Also, can I ask why you have removed the link of the website from the article calling it a dead link when it is a fully working link? The site says that it is under maintenance, is that the reason? Thanks. SameStruggle (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Bygone is bygone. I have no problem with past. I have restored website but it does not mention you anywhere. [1] says nothing about you and it looks like a template website is copied and no changes is done. If it belongs to you, I request you to get it in good shape. Many people reading your article would be clicking it and if we send it to dead/under maintenance website, it is a bad link with no relevance. I had removed it thus. I think you need to send OTRS as well for art works you have released under free license. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 14:13, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I am in the process of having the website up and fully functioning by the end of this week and I'll notify you as soon as it's done. As far as the artworks are concerned I have completely forgotten how OTRS is sent. So the 2 artworks; me standing next to one of my works and the "Remember Me?" sticker, please tell me how to send OTRS for that. For my portrait which is the main photo of the article: I had asked the photographer about 2 years ago I think to do the OTRS thing and it was done within a week or two, you can check all the details in the photo itself. Also, if you would be kind enough to check the conversation I am having with Koavf on the article's talk page? It would be great if you can help expand the article. Cheers. SameStruggle (talk) 20:08, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Will really appreciate your help in adding/subtracting things from the article. Last message was sent to you in July and have been waiting for your response eversince. SameStruggle (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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New photos required

Hi @SameStruggle:, first of all big fan of your work Sir! I went on your IG, FB, linkedin and saw a lot of fresh portraits n new projects. The images of you and your work on Wikipedia are quite old so can the photographers of some of youir recent best work and portraits upload those images on Wikimedia? OR can you forward some portraits n work pics to me , directly or through the photographers of those images? Then Ill upload them and update the article. A portrait is high priority Sir because the current one is 9 years old. Thankyou. Maxdorx (talk) 08:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello thanks for reaching out and grateful that you have taken so much interest in the article. I saw your edits and glad to see the expansion and cleanup finally. I had a photoshoot recently and had a new group show in Karachi in January which you can see on my Insta and Facebook, green on black work, it is mentioned in several newspapers as well so that show can be included in the article too.

The photographers by the way are old school guys so if they are not able to upload the images on Wikimedia. how can they and I reach you? We can email the items to you and you can upload? Or WeTransfer? Let me know. Best, SameStruggle (talk) 12:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Blocked for sockpuppetry

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts per the evidence presented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SameStruggle. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted.

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How do I reply on the investigations page? All reply options are blocked except this one. SameStruggle (talk) 18:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)