User talk:Richarddo1442

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@Magiciandude: Yeah, of course. Just joined in Richarddo1442 (talk) 04:35, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Rafael Trujillo

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Rafael Trujillo you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Carabinieri -- Carabinieri (talk) 02:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Richarddo, are you interested in continuing with the GA nomination? If not, I'll close.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:24, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Carabinieri: Yeah, sure. Richarddo1442 (talk) 03:17, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned in the review, the article still has a lot of parts that are unsourced. Is this something you can address?--Carabinieri (talk) 03:21, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey :@Carabinieri:, Just checked the article. I think article has good amount of references, in my opinion, one of the paragraphs at the begg needs more referencing which i'll try to add now but overall I think it's good for qualification. If you think more references are needed and want to add more, you're welcome to help out! thx for reviewing Richarddo1442 (talk) 03:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the topic or the sources, so I can't really help out. We should move this discussion to the review page, though.--Carabinieri (talk) 03:41, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Rafael Trujillo

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Your GA nomination of Rafael Trujillo

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August 2018 [NF]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Therapy Session. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
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@Walter Görlitz: Lmao are you seriously threathening to block me from editing just because I undid your changes on an article? First of all, you're the one who is on a "edit war" since you undid my edits 4 times and I only undid your edits twice (See the irony). You could have brought this to me on the talk page so we could try to discuss the situation properly, but instead you use your admin rights to try to intimidate me. This is completely ridiculous. Richarddo1442 (talk) 05:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. I'm suggesting that if you continue edit warring, I will report you. An admin will decide whether to block you. Second, any change, such as removing content, is a revert. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:04, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: You are being hypocritical. I don't insult people on Wikipedia, and I'm not going to, but you are really getting under my skin when you say I'm "edit warring" just because of the fact I reverted some of your edits, which YOU also did. If going by your logic, that means I could report you as well for "edit warring" since today you started reverting my edits persistently. Also, I already saw NF's talk page, and the only thing I found was you arguing with other users about the same thing, with no common ground being found. However, from what I can see on the article, I can tell he is in fact not a christian artist (at least not anymore), since it's not even listed in his article or any other page related to him, besides the one you just reverted today! This is hillarious. Richarddo1442 (talk) 05:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you feel I'm being hypocritical. You made three reverts in less than 24 hours. That is the definition of an edit war. I too have made three reverts in the same time period and I recognize that that constitutes an edit war. That's the main difference. And yes, you could report me if I break 3RR, but be aware of WP:BOOMERANG.

There were managers and agents who were trying to promote a position. They disappeared. The consistent editors supported the position and the rationale. In short, he charts on Christian radio and the Christian Billboard charts. It is applicable for this album in particular, which was released on a Christian label. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: And yes, you could report me if I break 3RR, but be aware of WP:BOOMERANG. Is that a threat? Because raising that preemptively sounds like a threat. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 06:15, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@142.160.89.97: He thinks if I report him, I risk getting backfired and admins will support him instead. Pathethic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richarddo1442 (talk • contribs) 06:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the specifics of what went on here, so I can't really speak to that, but he does seem to have a habit of going after newer users, given my experiences today at Talk:Evangelicalism § Unexplained reversion and Talk:Defence of Canada Regulations § Reversion. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 06:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: Therappy Session was indeed released by a Christian label, and could be considered a Christian album (even if it's not technically one, but whatever). That's not the problem here at all. Yes, this might be a christian album, that doesn't mean the rapper itself is a "Christian rapper". Following your logic, Chance the Rapper would also be a christian rapper, since he released a gospel album. His music in general doesn't meet the standards of christian rap, it talks more about personal issues instead of evangelizing. But anyways, I know you already know this and have discussed it with several people, and evidently you haven't changed your mind about it. So my main point is: every other NF article just refers to him as a rapper, so why have only one that doesn't? It looks completely uneven. It's better to just have the term "rapper" on all instances, including the articles with Christian themes (such as this, Mansion, and the NF EP). Again, the only problem is using the false title "Christian rapper". Richarddo1442 (talk) 05:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What are the "standards" of Christian rap? I can fix the other albums. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz:You can read it on Christian_hip_hop. You are being stubborn with editing the albums, instead of actually understanding why he isn't a christian rapper. I am not the only person who has argued with you about this, and your edits are not going to be permanent, since someone else will probably fix it again. You are trying to spread false information and it's clearly not going to last. Go ahead, keep trolling. Richarddo1442 (talk) 05:53, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am being correct based on the sources and facts. You don't even know that "Christian" is a proper noun and is capitalized. There are many other editors who argued in favour of this. Don't ping me again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: You really must be trolling me at this point. I'm still trying to find that editor who actually agreed with you in this topic, because every single response I see on the talk page is not favouring you at all. I'm also allowed to make typos, as far as I'm aware. This is my last response on this issue. Richarddo1442 (talk) 06:03, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not trolling. It was an error on my part. It was a different article where the same article was used. My error. Don't edit war. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:11, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you're the one who's been edit warring these articles for months, not me. Wear your own hat. Richarddo1442 (talk) 06:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, you removed referenced content from the subject's biography. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your mini-essay in the initial edit summary is full of errors. In short, Christian music does not mainly evangelize and you've conflated contemporary worship music with contemporary Christian music. It is the former that is geared to worship music, not the latter. There are many Christian musicians who do not fall into your stereotype. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: Dude lmao just read Christian_hip_hop. Tell me, does NF fit in those parameters? He clearly doesn't. Therefore, that genre shouldn't be applied to him. He also negates being part of it, with his mouth. Do you seriously think a Christian rapper will negate the fact of being one? I don't think so, lol. You're clearly being stubborn and not trying to understand, you're just reverting every single edit because some "sources" say he's a Christian rapper (as if those sources are fully reliable and didn't make a mistake by labelling him that way, despite the artist's remarks). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richarddo1442 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will politely remind you to not get personal. Calling people trolls goes against WP:NPA. Whether or not you have valid reasons, and on Let You Down (NF song) http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2017/hot-christian-songs says you do not, you can show respect to other editors. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And for the record,hip hop music is the link you want. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: I'm sorry if me calling you a Troll offended you. I still believe you're one, but I shouldn't say it here. Just because "Let You Down" charted on the Hot Christian Songs doesn't mean NF is a Christian rapper, if this is what you're going for. That chart just measures the most listened songs on Christian radio/media. The song flopped immediately after and started charting on mainstream because Christian stations stopped playing it.

I was actually amused by it, but I'm not the only one who sees the comments. I'm not trolling to keep the religious label on the artist, I actually believe it is the correct label for these articles.

That's the thing about the Christian music charts, they do not usually play music that is not created by Christians (or are promoted as being Christians). That the albums have reviews by Christian media is another key factor. His most recent album does not. That means the campaign by his management has worked. I have no problems with the discrepancy on his biographic article, but on the earlier albums and songs, it's how he was marketed at the time. The bio goes into the whole thing. A similar thing happened about a decade ago with Switchfoot, and after dropping the "Christian " label on the advice of their management and distancing themselves from the market, they came back a few years ago when management dropped them. See Switchfoot#Switchfoot and Christian music for details. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now you're just edit warring against consensus. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: I was actually about to undo my edit, after I read your message, until further agreement is reached. So no, i'm not. Richarddo1442 (talk) 16:11, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The agreement I have with Danny is for his most recent album. Do not change the historic albums. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:36, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Walter Görlitz: I mean, I still think it's pretty inconsistent to label him a Christian rapper only on his earlier releases, and not on his other albums/EPs/songs (even if these albums were released on CCMG and charted on the Christian charts), the term should be applied to either all or none of his articles. However, I'll leave it like that since you apparently got in an agreement with the other editor. Richarddo1442 (talk) 01:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So what if tomorrow he were to decide that he wanted to do R&B or jazz or metal? Would you go back and change his previous articles to reflect his current state? The music project generally advises against that. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:26, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. So when I went to make the argument with you, Walter, I just happened to find versions of the page that just happened to say "hip hop" at the time, but really they did say Christian hip hop in the first place and these are the ones who say it shouldn't be? Is that correct? If that is the case, my stance might change to support Christian. Maybe I visited those pages for comparison at inopportune times. All I want is for everything to lead off with the same thing, is that so hard, everyone!? This shouldn't be. I might have a preference as to what he's labeled as, but I don't care as long as they're all consistent. *sigh* dannymusiceditor ^oops 15:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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MrSuicideSheep

I was talking about the sources present in the article, regarding which my assessment was entirely correct. If there are better sources that can be brought to bear, it's not my responsibility to psychically deduce that you're hiding better sources in your back pocket — it's your responsibility, as the person who wants the article to be kept, to put the better sources on the table. Bearcat (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I already answered you on the article's deletion page, but... You're wrong. Remember you're nominating the article for deletion based on notability alone. Read WP:N. Richarddo1442 (talk) 17:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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