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Your submission at Articles for creation: Marianna Kharlamova (November 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Timtrent were:

This is unreadable. Please use paragraph breaks. However, out has the look and feel of a resemé. To avoid this please look at referencing. Read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. Position your citations in the ext at the correct places.

First, let is look at what is not a reference. Works by the subject are only a reference in specific circumstances. Let me try to explain. If they manufactured vacuum cleaners, the cleaners would be their work. A vacuum cleaner could not be a reference for them, simply because it is the product they make. So it is with research, writings, etc. However, a review of their work by others tends to be a review of them and their methods, so is a reference, as is a peer reviewed paper a reference for their work. You may find WP:ACADEME of some use in seeing how Wikipedia and Academe differ hugely

Additionally, there is no need to have a complete list of works. Catalogues, like Worldcat are sufficient. List the most important, and only a few of those

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 17:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Mkharlamova! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 17:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Marianna Kharlamova has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission as follows:

Fortunately, we do not have to decide on the actual scientific value of people's contributions; this is something reserved for appointment committees of universities and similar bodies. We judge by what external sources say about them. For scientists, the external sources that mater are other people in the field, and the way we determine what they think is by how much they cite the person's publications, and whether they give highly prestigeous senior positions and major awards and similar factors which we can see and evaluate, as explained in WP:PROF. The usual factor is citations Looking at google scholar, her citation figures as of now are 76, 60, 54, 41, 35, 34 ..., The highest figure is, as it often is, for a review article, and they are cited more than others. The absolute level of citations in a field depend on the people working in the field, but in most active fields of the experimental physical science we would expect at least one paper and preferably two with at least 100 citations. (in experimental biomedicine, the expectations are twice that). We can if necessary make a benchmark by looking at the citations other researchers in the filed--checking for those publishing on single walled nanotubes, we find people wit the highest citations of 5025, 3441, 2223, 1877, 1201, 586, 490 ..., which is another order of magnitude. This confirms she does not meet the WP standards for citations. Nor would we expect her to--if we look at the auxiliary standard of holding a distinguished professorship, she is still only a post-doc, and does not even have her first permanent appointment. If we look for major awards, she has only student awards. If we look for editor-in-chief of major journals, she is only a special issue editor and a reviewer. She is not a member of a national academy of sciences; she is not the president of a national society.
If she were notable, the draft would need extensive editing. It's a CV, where by convention one includes everything. It shows the typical emphasis on minor material when there's nothing major, it makes no attempt to follow our format or style, it duplicates material. I could edit it quickly enough, by removing the 80% that doesn't belong, by correcting the English, and adding the citation figures. but nothing I or anyone could do could show notability at this point in her career.
What's more, it's an autobiography. DGG ( talk ) 05:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Marianna Kharlamova

Hello, Mkharlamova. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Marianna Kharlamova".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]