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Hi

Hi, just wanted to ask how do you feel about Preity Zinta's article, an FA. The reference formatting in particular. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 08:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:06, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

So shall I follow this for my failed FA nomination. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 09:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Articles

Dear Legolas2186,

I just wanted to bring up the issue of two GA articles which I believe have some problems. The first of the two is Ray of Light (album), the second Lady Gaga.

Ray of Light is a GA article, but, compared to many of the excellent GA articles which you have created, it is definitely laggard and there are some issues with it. For instance, I have spotted at least three , which means that the article is not fully and well referenced. On addition, there isn't even a composition/musical themes/lyrics section, and the article is indeed quite short.

Lady Gaga is also a GA article, and is a very good one too, but I feel that the 2011-present and Born This Way section is too short - there is no mention of her recent music videos, the critical reception of the different singles and the Born This Way as an album, as well as its musical style. Apart from that section, however, it is a well-covered, well-written, neutral, well-referenced and informative article.

Being a part of WikiProject Madonna and WikiProject Lady Gaga, I couldn't help but raise these issues with arguably the most experienced editor in these fields. Of course, I could edit these myself, but I just wanted your advice.

Yours,

--&レア (talk) 10:54, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Ray of Light was promoted to GA long long time ago. I didn't do it. It lacks not only in the parts that you pointed out, but in many other respects. Its not a GA of today's standard I must say. Regarding the last bio section in Lady Gaga, one of the main concerns during its GA review was the recentism tinged prose that delved into too much stuff happening at the time the review went on. It was decided that to avoid recentism creeping into the article altogether, its better to have each section concise and dedicated in respect to the biography from the beginning. Gaga's bio will only increase enormously, not decrease ever. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:43, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hi. Hope you are much better now. Can i nominate an article for GA before it is released? I am referring to "I Was Here" which can get released someday though no time any soon. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

If you know that it would be released, then why not wait? For "You and I" it was different because Gaga had initially confirmed that it wouldn't be released as a single, but things changed much later. But for Yonka its different since you say it can be released and as far as I know they are considering "End of Time" and "I Was Here" for a side-by-side release. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 18:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I just deleted the nomination. And what? Do you want me to have a heart attack? A side-by-side release. I have been telling since the first day that IWH is not single worthy. As if releasing it was nor enough, they are even unconsciously (or may be consciously because her team is like shit) planning to spoil the commercial success EOT can have as a stand alone single. Spare me the HORROR Yonka team. IWH would flop so hard the US. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:22, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol, calm down. They probably want to see if they can make another IIWAB/SL like combo success (not happening though imo). — Legolas ^(talk2me) 02:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

If they really want to do that, they better do it with "Countdown" and "I Care". Anyway do you still find 4 boring? Do you still regret having pre-ordered it? Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Do you think i was right here? Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Abso-jalebi-lutely. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:26, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

What a nice game of words. I love it when you call me jalebi. Lol. Seriously. Hey you did not reply to part of my question last time? How are you now? Totally recovered? Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:35, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol, somehow missed it. Apolojalebisss! I'm almost recovered. But somtimes my leg pains. By the way, they are not releasing any dual singles. I just heard it from my friend in RS. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I am happy that you are recovering. Can you give me more details? Please. Legolas, i have something to tell you about Rihanna articles. I feel that most of the articles that are passing GAs are getting very bad reviews. Legolas, i am not trying to say that i write extremely well. I sincerely know that i am not an excellent editor and the articles i craft are not among the best, but still on my writing capabilities added to all the knowledge i have received here (formatting of references, purpose of images, relevant information, etc), i can affirm that those articles are not GA-worthy. I posted a second review for "California King Bed" on Calvin's page, he did the corrections but still it seems that he is not applying what i taught him to the others Rihanna-related articles that he is promoting. I only wish him good. I am not telling you all this, intending to create a fight. It is the last thing i would wish for. Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:45, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh, would you mind if I asked you to put some input into Talk:Wait Your Turn/GA1 as I think you might be able to find a fault or two in the article that I couldn't find. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 12:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

That's fine Jivesh that you told me, but I am not gonna comment on this, since, well it seems I'm kind of the bad guy in these things. I have stopped correcting or voicing these issues and only respond to things that I choose to. Its a free encyclopedia and people are free to do whatever they want. If you want help in something, I'm there, but I have stopped depending on people round here. You can look at Wikipedian Penguin's request. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:13, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

May I know what happened for you to say that? Legolas, i have told you in the past that sometimes your way of approaching people is not welcoming but i fully agree on the comments you make on articles. I know even if sometimes your comments are harsh, you present them that way only to prompt the editor to better his editing abilities and especially because you want GAs to be GAs really not only for the sake of having a GA icon on the top of a page for embellishment.

And you did not tel me more about the singles? Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:26, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

No Jivesh, I don't wanna comment on this thing anymore. Let people do what they want. As for the singles, they are actually doing testdrives of songs from the album to see which one is more single-release worthy. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Legolas, i want to tell you that whatever comments you have for my work, i will always accept them. Your opinion on my work maters to me. And thanks for that information. I am leaving some comments. Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Only if someone asks me to, otherwise no. Anyways how are your studies? I hope you are not sneaking your way from studies to WP? Its not worth it for real life. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:56, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

My exams are starting in 51 days. I am going to decrease my number of edits per day gradually. I will do my best to make that possible. Jivesh • Talk2Me 14:05, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, study hard and get your reward. That's more important than a bunch of articles that no one will even give you proper credit for. Sometimes I hate Creative Commons. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:07, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I will heed your advice my respected Avi. Lol. We will talk later. Take care. My mom is constantly shouting at me. It's time for me to do my prayers. Goodnight. Always be happy my dear Lego. And after i get my results, be sure to send me some tasty jalebis (made by your wife.... LOL.) Jivesh • Talk2Me 14:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

GAR: Like A Virgin

I would like to thank Efe for reporting Legolas for incivility. Unfortunately I cannot see in what way he was rude to me in this one particular incident as the link has been deleted. I was searching how to report him for incivility myself,as I find his constant bullying, belittling and humilation tactics distressing and not at all in line with Wikipedia conventions. Everyone is human and can make mistakes, and if I made mistakes in my GOOD FAITH nomination for a GAR reassessment of Like A Virgin I do not deserve to be made look like a fool by someone who constantly breaches Wikiquette. I would personally like some form of block or 'punishment' on Legolas as this is not his first warning, but I guess I don't hold that power. Tellingly, I was not given a personal apology - if I hadn't searched for reporting incivility and following link after link after link I would not have found the apology above. --218.185.58.34 (talk) 01:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Who are you by the way? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 02:31, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Maybe its Paul. He he--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 07:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Dance in the Dark

I am sorry about editing "Dance in The Dark" the way I did but, the information about the song being a promotional single is false it was a single that is why I changed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4310'channel (talk • contribs) 05:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Vogue video

Dear Legolas2186,

I would like to do a summary of the Vogue music video (i.e. how it starts, which clothes are used, etc.) For it, would I need to cite references or not? One can just go on YouTube and see the video.

Yours, --&レア (talk) 08:47, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

A basic summary won't be needing any source per WP:PLOT, but if you are going into specifics like what kind of cloths, props etc. then you would need it. I would say wait for a little time and would like your help in other matters. Would you oblige? And lol, you can call me just Legolas instead of being so formal. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Legolas. I am willing to help, even though, as you can read from my talkpage, I am semi-retired, thus, I'm not around all the time. However, I am working on trying to improve some of the Madonna articles, especially her 1990-2000 singles of which many are short, badly referenced and pretty poor articles.

Yours,

--&レア (talk) 15:07, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate any help that you can give. No hurries. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Bad Romance

You submitted a reversion of my edit derscribing the cover version of Bad Romance performed by Lulu (singer) and Cuba Gooding Jnr. However you did not explain in the article talk page why you reverted that information - so I am unable to assess on what basis your reversion was justified. Josephus (talk) 00:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Because it was unsourced or not a reliable third party source? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 02:56, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The date and channel of the broadcast were given. That is as reliable a citation as can be given for any reference to any broadcast event. Josephus (talk) 01:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

This shows that it was completely unsourced. You need to either provide a reliable source or use the {{cite episode}} template and fill up the necessary details. Otherwise, doesn't make any sense. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 02:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

The point I am trying to make is that I could add a ref cite episode template... but the information in there would be THE SAME as the information already included in the text.. Formatting information into a standard form does not increase it's verifiability.. or veracity.. I could add a link to watch the episode cited online..but the link is only valid for a week or so and afterwards will be useless... I have already included enough information in the text for anyone who wishes to verify it to watch it for themselves on the channel 4 website if they want to.. I'm not sure what else you think should be added. Josephus (talk) 03:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

You can argue it all you want, but point remains the same. Until it is sourced (just the date doesn't make it work) it cannot be included. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

FYI the text reverted has been resubmitted with a reference. Are there any observations you would like to make BEFORE you revert the edit? Josephus (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I didn't revert it now that you have added a reference. I just tweaked the prose. Check it. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 19:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Legolas - your redraft is definitely an improvement. Now for my moan... the information that I put in the reference was ALL pasted from the originally submitted article text: i.e. the information was always there to both readers and editors, all that has been changed is formating to add it to the reflist. Therefore, I do not believe your original reversion was justified. YOU could have as easily added the reference formating as I did.. and that would have probably taken less effort than the redrafting that you did do in the end. Or if you didn't feel able to do that you could have raised the issue with me via my talk page, and i could have addressed it. Either would have been more productive than all these exchanges to resolve a fairly trivial issue. Wikipedia is after all supposed to be a COLLABORATIVE project. All your 'delete first, discuss afterwards' behaviour does is to put other editors' backs up. Good faith is frequently undermined by poor judgement. Josephus (talk) 11:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I never said or believed you acted in bad faith. You simply did not provide a source, and I simply reverted it. I had no idea whether you were a newbie who did not know our verifiability policy, or you were adding fancruft (a lot of addition her eis simply fancruft). Most of the time I am too busy to check whether such and such exists, so I always say to editors, "Its your onus to supplement with source albeit reliable, and don't expect others not to revert your edit even if so-and-so exists or is true." — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

What?

I don't understand, I am not editing these from personal analyses, it is from my research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43'channel (talk • contribs) 02:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Going on adding unconfirmed and false singles, each and every edit failing WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NSONGS, WP:CRYSTAL, over that you are using WP:SOCKPUPPETRY continuously. Need I say more? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 02:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Dear Legolas,

I just wanted say thank you very much for the barnstar. I'm really grateful, and I hope I can help around as much as possible. You've been very helpful to me and I can't do anything but express gratitude for that.

Yours,

--&レア (talk) 09:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

About your comments left at the Black Swan accolades list FLC

Hey there Legolas! Me and another user have addressed your comments over at the FLC page. Crystal Clear x3 12:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes I saw that, I will look take a look probably today or tomorrow along with the other FLCs. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Crystal Clear x3 12:46, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Bio

That's okay, I know they are good. Are you still going to continue though and do the legacy section? Just wondering, take your time anyway :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:52, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes I would of course. He he, it is indeed gonna take time. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 02:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Charmbracelet too :P Novice7 (talk) 03:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

What about your c/e and legacy section :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 05:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of accolades received by Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World/archive1

Hey there! My FLC is this close to passing, but needs a few more supports. You left some helpful comments there which I have resolved. Would you mind lending your support? It would be really appreciated! It's been over a month since I nominated it. Thanks! Ruby2010 comment! 04:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Singles

Hi Avi. Should singles from studio albums and singles from soundtrack albums be listed under the same section? If yes, then why aren't soundtrack albums also listed? Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:56, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Because all are essentially singles which promote the album. But the albums are of different kind studio/soundtrack/EP/Live etc. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:45, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

But isn't the soundtrack single promoting the soundtrack album? So singles should also be of different kind, right? I somehow cannot agree that that soundtrack albums are treated apart while singles are merged! Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Avi, aren't we suppose to add the radio release date in the infobox. A user is adding the first physical release date in the infobox of all Beyonce song articles. Isn't he wrong? He really annoys me sometimes. Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:52, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

He/She should be corrected. Discuss with them. As for your previous question, I have already explained. Soundtrack albums are ultimately albums. So singles released from them are all singles only per definition. Singles are for promotion of album, but the albums are of different category. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Ciccone :) Can you please give me the Chord progression for Through the Rain? Thanks!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 11:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Would love to Nat, but as you know I have a shitty net connection now, many websites are not opening. I can't even check Rolling Stone or MTV websites. God knows when this will be solved. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh! Those bastards at Nielsen again :( Don't worry, whenever and if ever you can access that page :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 11:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Its not Nielsen's fault, its the fault of the apartment being on the 27th floor. :( — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh Avi, Charmbracelet too :D Novice7 (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

(→) Already took a printout. *Stay mad, sad, jell-O* :P — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm sure it has lot of mistakes!! Btw, I didn't get the second part lol. Novice7 (talk) 12:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. Hey guys, is it true that "ukchartsplus.co.uk" has been blacklisted? An IP is removing it form all Beyonce articles (used for year-end placement)!!! Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Please reply. Jivesh • Talk2Me 10:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Not blacklisted, its a part of WP:BADCHARTS now. The IP's edit summary is wrong. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I am very disappointed on learning this. Anyway thanks Avi. See you later. Jivesh • Talk2Me 10:28, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Madge disco

Yeah, sure. I was going to finish the singles, but it took so damn long to do the first set, so I took a break, LOL. IDK, I just really didn't like Ending-start from the beginning, so when I just came up with something similar, I went with it. — Status {^talk_contribs  18:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's finished. :) — Status {^talk_contribs  16:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by Kamal Haasan

The article has been thoroughly copy-edited as per my request at the guild. How do you feel now? --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 07:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm Breathless

Then give me an example of non-bullshit explanation. Alecsdaniel (talk) 14:40, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Why dont you check GAs of Madonna. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I've checked at Confessions on a Dance Floor and it had the same explanation. Alecsdaniel (talk) 11:27, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I've also checked Who's That Girl?, "Holiday", True Blue and "Vogue". Alecsdaniel (talk) 11:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

SCGanguly.Com

See brothers, check the website, it completely a non-profitable one..We use it for the fans, giving them all the latest updates.

The man himself launched the website, check this : http://scganguly.com/2011/07/official-launch-of-scganguly-com-2/

Wikipedia is the encyclopedia of knowledge..So people here will come to know more about Sourav ganguly. Dont you wanna give them that info ?

This is the only website on sourav ganguly at the moment, that is updated regularly..I think it should be there!

Also i have 2 more things to point out :

1) check, external links > Sourav Ganguly News Articles (what stupid link that is linked to)

2) please change the picture, he dosent play for kkr anymore & his die-hard fans hate kkr! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.201.110.150 (talk) 17:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I am not interested whether this website is non-profitable or whatever. Its still a fan website and not allowed on Wikipedia. And the image won't be changed because die-hard fans don't like it. If a free, most recent, high-resolution image can be found it will be replaced. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 17:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

What?

What fan stalking?? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 18:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Not you, see the above section. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 18:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Question

Legolas, i keep working on Beyonce's articles. I have promoted most of them, then how come in her wikiproject, the number of start or stub rated articles are still high? Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:19, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Ooopsss, i got my answer immediately after i posted to you. This is hilarious. Lol. I have been pondering over this for so long and immediately after i post this on your talk-page, i got the answer. The wikiproject also takes into account the Destiny's Child singles and other articles. Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:21, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Charmbracelet

Thank you so much Lego! :) Novice7 (talk) 07:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Time

for another block? I like his "I'm a victim here" performance. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Already filed at SPI. Oooh where did it play the part? Was it Oscar-worthy? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

At all, but I see three Razzies coming... Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:40, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I saw it in MArk of the Beast's talk page. The nerve of this one is going to be on par with CharlieJS I'm telling you. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

At least Charles' motivation is makes me drop this project, something that won't happen, but why this uploading nonsense? If someday you ask yourself why I hate fans, ElPiloto is a good beginning. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

This one's psychosis is to have his imprint all over Madonna articles. Since he is probably crap in editing, what option is there? Images. Fast and easy, and would have probably worked if it conformed to WP:NFCC. But he kissed NFCC's ass goodbye with his first few edits and still does. So lame or not, we seriously don't need him. And yes, I hate uber fans as well as uber haters too. If you should know, I'm very very popular with the haters even outside wiki. People actually want to kill me and hang me till death. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

We have something else in common :). The best to do is keep an eye in this guy. At first I didn0t bother me but well he is banned, let's keep him away. Images can be protected against him as well. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

We all have our demons, our angels, lol. You remember that Catherine Huebscher (talk · contribs) thing? Seems like this one has opened a forum against me, and I have a personal YouTube channel against me. Axl baby, are you mad, sad, upset?? :P — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:06, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

lol, I can't believe this. It is nice how Wiki help you to be famous XD. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Shocked

Avi. Is Barayatuda a sock of Blue? :( I am honestly so upset. Barayatuda has been nasty and edit-warring with me for months. I knew something was fishy. His edits were always aimed at reverting or joining discussions (remember, I too was once a sock-master). He was always impossible to work with and very mean and rude to me; I had many issues with him. Then on the other hand you have Blue acting like a friend while his sock goes and insults us and acts like total crap to me. You know, he lost all my respect and more. One thing is to use a sock to sway a discussion, but to be mean and nasty to you're friends. I'm baffled :'(--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Ask Hersfold, she did the CU. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I guess you just simply don't want to talk about it. That's fine. Are you still on track for the Bio?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 16:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Ya. As I said in an above section, I took a printout instead of editing in sandbox. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Where is this coming from

"Donot hardcode the pixels of music video images", I've seen a couple cases of this lately; users removing the sizing claiming MOS. Nowhere in MOS:IMAGES#Images, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(layout)#Images or Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(accessibility)#Images is there any text stating that resizing images should not be done; we have this option for a reason so images are not incredibly huge or small; the only actual rule is what size you should not cross. So I'm wondering if there is a rule somewhere that I'm missing since you've started implementing it too. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 06:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Simple reason is that not all users watch with the same screen resolution. I have experimented with different screen types and every case, teh hardcoded pixel images come across as fine in larger screens, but too big for smaller screens (640x480). Hence, removing the hardcoding allows the screen to choose its own image size according to the desktop, palmtop, notebook screen resolution. Try this at home, you will get clearly what I mean. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

☆ Barnstar ☆

		The Special Barnstar
		I hereby award you, Legolas2186, the The Special Barnstar for your absolutely outstanding work on Lady Gaga related articles. There is no point in me saying "keep up the excellent work", because I and many others know you certainly will. Thank You! -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 13:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you MS. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Grammy FLC

Hi Legolas. Since you have reviewed Grammy lists in the past, is there a chance you might be able to review this Grammy list currently at FLC? I'd be much appreciated--the list needs reviews badly. --Another Believer _(Talk) 14:41, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes I can. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Still Breathless

I've answered you above. Well? Alecsdaniel (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Each of those samples are being discussed in the article, backed by reliable sources, which is not the case for I'm Breathless. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is the case, half of the article talks about "Vogue", the Academy Award winning torch song 'Sooner or Later' is mentioned a couple of times. Alecsdaniel (talk) 12:10, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Only talking about the song doesn't make it pass NFCC, there needs to be critical analysis, why the sample added can increase reader's understanding of the article, and also backing of those from a reliable source. The samples in I'm Breathless fails. I don't understand why are you pushing for the inclusion of the samples? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:15, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Alecs, non-free content, as I'm sure you realise, can be used only if some deliberately strict criteria are met. When considering whether to use non-free content, the question has got to be, not "can I get away with using this?" but "can I get away with not using this?" If you are certain that the media is needed, the purpose of a rationale is to explain to everyone else why that is the case, with reference to the specific article in which it is used; copy-paste rationales, as are used on the samples previously in I'm Breathless, are not at all helpful. What you need to be trying to do is minimising the amount of non-free content, but keep the article as useful and educational. Edit warring is not useful, and, concerning non-free content, you really should err on the side of caution; that is, keep it out until there is a clear consensus that it should be in the article. I advise this is taken to the article talk page, so that others can easily follow the discussion. Alecs, the burden of proof falls on you to show why the non-free content is a useful addition to the article. J Milburn (talk) 13:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, the album mixes pop/dance/torch ballads/house/jazz/swing and other genres. Don't you think people from 2011 want to know how one recorded a 40s album in the 90s? All articles about albums need to have one-two sample from songs, to show the general idea of the album. People should guess it or what? I'm not for using a big number or samples [two-three are enough], but not at all is not the right way either. Alecsdaniel (talk) 22:15, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Q

Hello! Hope you're doing well. I have a question. If I asked the owner of this image if they could allow its use on Wiki and they do, can I use it? The pic of MC in it is from the Tour edition of Charmbracelet and its a tour notice/poster. Is it free or does it contain non-free items? Novice7 (talk) 11:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Its non-free. Its a copyrighted work of art, whose owner is MC and her Japanese record label. If you can forward permission from them to OTRS, then its fine, else it fails NFCC. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I saw another poster just like this one, containing album art/DVD art etc. Thanks for clearing up my doubts Legolas :) Novice7 (talk) 11:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 July newsletter

The finals are upon us; we're down to the last few. One of the eight remaining contestants will be this year's WikiCup champion! 150 was the score needed to progress to the final; just under double the 76 required to reach round 4, and more than triple the 41 required to reach round 3. Our eight finalists are:

• Casliber (submissions), Pool A's winner. Casliber has the highest total score in the competition, with 1528, the bulk of which is made up of 8 featured articles. He has the highest number of total featured articles (8, 1 of which was eligible for double points) and total did you knows (72) of any finalist. Casliber writes mostly on biology, including ornithology, botany and mycology.
• PresN (submissions), Pool B's winner and the highest scorer this round. PresN is the only finalist who has scored featured topic points, and he has gathered an impressive 330, but most of his points come from his 4 featured articles, one of which scored double. PresN writes mostly on video games and the Hugo Awards.
• Hurricanehink (submissions), Pool A's runner-up. Hurricanehink's points are mostly from his 30 good articles, more than any other finalist, and he is also the only finalist to score good topic points. Hurricanehink, as his name suggests, writes mostly on meteorology.
• Wizardman (submissions), Pool B's runner-up. Wizardman has completed 86 good article reviews, more than any other finalist, but most of his points come from his 2 featured articles. Wizardman writes mostly on American sport, especially baseball.
• Miyagawa (submissions), the "fastest loser" (Pool A). Miyagawa has written 3 featured lists, one of which was awarded double points, more than any other finalist, but he was awarded points mostly for his 68 did you knows. Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, including dogs, military history and sport.
• Resolute (submissions), the second "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Resolute's points come from his 9 good articles. He writes mostly on Canadian topics, including ice hockey.
• Yellow Evan (submissions), who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool A). Most of Evan's points come from his 10 good articles, and he writes mostly on meteorology.
• Sp33dyphil (submissions), who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Phil's points come from his 9 good articles, 4 of which (more than any other finalist) were eligible for double points. He writes mostly on aeronautics.

We say goodbye to our seven other semi-finalists, Another Believer (submissions), Piotrus (submissions), Grandiose (submissions), Stone (submissions), Eisfbnore (submissions), Canada Hky (submissions) and MuZemike (submissions). Everyone still in the competition at this stage has done fantastically well, and contributed greatly to Wikipedia. We're on the home straight now, and we will know our winner in two months.

In other news, preparations for next year's competition have begun with a brainstorming thread. Please, feel free to drop by and share any thoughts you have about how the competition should work next year. Sign ups are not yet open, but will be opened in due course. Watch this space. Further, there has been a discussion about the rule whereby those in the WikiCup must delcare their participation when nominating articles at featured article candidates. This has resulted in a bot being created by new featured article delegate Ucucha (talk · contribs). The bot will leave a message on FAC pages if the nominator is a participant in the WikiCup.

A reminder of the rules: any points scored after August 29 may be claimed for the final round, and please remember to update submission pages promptly. If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 00:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Q2

What kind of sources do you need? All the reviews of the album criticise the fact that the songs were remixed in Q Sound [or even more], you have the sources all over the article. What more do you need?Alecsdaniel (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

It's amazing how so many of Madonna's albums don't have songs notable enough to be featured in their articles. I say we delete the articles altogether. Alecsdaniel (talk) 10:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

What load of crap is that? Of course the articles are notable, and of course the samples can be included. You are just looking for simple answer. You must find critical analysis on the song and post in depth description of why the sample is needed. Not just "her friend died".--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me

So it should sound something like this: "Despite the fact that in the early '90, AIDS was still a tabu subject, Madonna was one of the few entertainers to talk about it, going as far as paying tribute, on this album, to two of her friends who died because of AIDS; the critics gave the song good reviews." ? Alecsdaniel (talk) 21:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you really think that's critical analysis? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

And this is: "This song hit the first position in several countries including Canada and the UK, and became Madonna's first number in France. "La Isla Bonita" went on to become one of Madonna's most performed song on her tours", right? [Taken from the GA rated True Blue). Alecsdaniel (talk) 14:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

"La Isla Bonita" is being critically analyzed by reliable sources in the composition section, including its structure, layer, theme etc. Don't try to throw shady bull-shit on me. If you want to learn about NFCC, I'm willing to, but try to act smart, you can get the hell out of my talk page. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

So are "Vogue" and the other samples from the I'm Breathless article. Alecsdaniel (talk) 16:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

You still have no clue about NFCC. Where are these fabulous sources discussing what the sample shows? "Vogue" is limited to its impact. You dont need a sample for that. "More" is omnipresent and "Sooner or Later" is absent from analysis. NFCC fail again. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Another help

Hey Avi! Can you add alt text for Charmbracelet? Thanks in advance. Also, what about your injury? Are you okay now? Have you recovered fully? Novice7 (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the ALT. Novice7 (talk) 06:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

How reliable

is Softpedia for news? —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Softpedia is grossly, and disgustingly unreliable. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Useful RS links for W.E. article

It's not really good news though 0_o. Deadline has full coverage (http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/death-in-venice-madonna-movie-bombs-will-weinstein-still-give-it-an-oscar-push/) and The Huffington Post's piece has some review excepts along with external links to the actual reviews (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/madonna-we-review_n_945467.html) Crystal Clear x3 06:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Well what did you expect? Its Madonna after all. If it didn't bomb, I would have shaved my head. Yes, I'm in the process of sorting through these reviews. Thanks Crystal. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:36, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Help

Could you please check in "Love on Top" has bubbled under the Billboard Hot 100 chart this week? Jivesh • Talk2Me 19:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Did you see my post? Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:58, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea whether it has charted. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. Jivesh • Talk2Me 10:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Now its showing. Its charted at #22. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

W.E

Hello. I have asked for a third opinion regarding the dispute at W.E (film) that you have been involved in. The listing can be found here. Hopefully the dispute can be resolved according to policy by a non-biased third party. Jsayre64 (talk) 17:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

3RR report

Hello Legolas2186. You are mentioned in a 3RR report at WP:AN3#User:Legolas2186 reported by User:ItsZippy (Result: Protected, warnings), which is now closed. I am puzzled by all the blanking by IPs, and notice you use fairly strong language on the article talk page. I have applied three days of protection, which can be lifted if the editors on the talk page agree that it's not needed. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 02:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/The Simpsons (season 10)/archive2

Hi! Are you satisfied with my changes? Theleftorium ^(talk) 09:49, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Love on Top and 1+1

I have no idea how to add the information on the page for LOT. Can you help? Would you have time to copy-edit "1+1"? Nathan asked for it in the GAN. Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

How to add information for the page? I don't get you. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:12, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I was talking about the bubbling under chart. Anyway, it's done. Can you please do the c/e for "1+1"? Jivesh • Talk2Me 10:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

What kinda c/e are you looking for? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:50, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Please have a look at the GA review. Perhaps this will help you to understand better. Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Born This Way lead paragraph re-vamp

Hi,

I was just thinking that the Born This Way lead paragraph needs a re-vamp, as there are a few problems within it, such as consistency, amount of info, etc. This was my version. Would you mind telling me if you think it's worthy to be put into the actual article or if the current one is better? (Some content is copied from the current revision of the Born This Way page [1]).

Born This Way is the second studio album by American recording artist Lady Gaga. It was released on May 23, 2011 by Interscope Records as a follow up to her internationally successful debut, The Fame (2008) and the extended play The Fame Monster (2009). Gaga wrote or co-wrote all the songs, as well as being the co-producer of every track in the album. In Born This Way, Gaga collaborated with numerous producers, such as DJ Snake, DJ White Shadow, Jeppe Laursen, RedOne, Fernando Garibay, Robert John "Mutt" Lange and Clinton Sparks; RedOne and Ferdinando Garibay were the only producers with whom Gaga had previously collaborated. Gaga collaborated artists such as The E Street Band saxophonist Clarence Clemons and Queen guitarist Brian May on tracks from the album. Production first took place in early 2010 and recording sessions at various recording studios around the world. The title was revealed by Gaga in September at the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards after her win of the Video of the Year Award for "Bad Romance". A week before the album's scheduled release, the contents were leaked online, but were shortly removed due to copyright violations.

The music of Born This Way is rooted in the synthpop, electropop and dance-pop-oriented styles of her previous releases, The Fame and The Fame Monster, yet, also incorprates a broader range of elements of several musical genres such as opera, heavy metal, disco, and rock and roll. The album also draws inspiration from the pop, rock and electronic music of the 1980s and 1990s, as well as recording artists such as Madonna, Bruce Springsteen and Whitney Houston. Lyrically, the album is a departure from her previous work, which focused on fame, wealth and romance, concentrating mainly on social issues, most notably sexuality, religion and feminism.

The album received generally positive reception from music critics; Gaga's vocals were praised, and reviewers applauded the album's varying musical styles, production, as well as the social issues raised from the songs. Despite this, some critics deemed the album's musical material to be unoriginal. Born This Way was also criticized by several religious commentators and organizations, who expressed discontent towards its numerous references to Christian figures and themes, as well as its supportive stance on sexuality. Similar to being critically acclaimed, the album was also an international success, topping the charts in over twenty-three countries including the Billboard 200 in the United States and the UK Album Charts. In the US, the album sold over 1.11 million copies in its first week, the largest first-week album sales in over six years. An estimated 440,000 of these sales were at a special price of 99 cents, which Amazon.com offered for two days during the album's first week of release. As of June 2011, Born This Way has sold 5 million copies worldwide.

Three singles and one promotional single were released for the album. "Born This Way", the lead single, topped the charts in over eighteen countries including the Billboard Hot 100 in the United States. It would become the fastest selling single in iTunes history, having sold over one million copies within its first five days. "Judas" was the second single for Born This Way. The song peaked on the top ten in nineteen countries. "The Edge of Glory", originally released as one of two proposed promotional singles, was made as the third single of the album. The song debuted at number three on the Hot 100 and topped the charts in South Korea. Yoü and I was later released as the album's fourth single. The promotional single for the album, "Hair", peaked at number twelve on the Billboard Hot 100 and charted in sixteen different countries.

What do you think?

Yours,

--&レア (talk) 09:45, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I JUST LOVEEEEE IT!!!! BRILLIANT — Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:47, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I was wondering, would you say PopCrush is a reliable source?--&レア (talk) 15:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Not at all and in any way. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Popcrush seems to be reliable, Amanda Degree in music journalism, Amy has written for "Kerrang! Spin, Revolver, Alternative Press, Noisecreep, Spinner, ARTISTdirect and Teen People". Not really seeing any negatives that would deem them unreliable. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 01:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Born This Way (song)

Hello Legolas,

ItsAlwaysLupus left me a message concerning Born This Way (song) and the use of the Oricon charts in the article. I have to admit that I'm out of my comfort zone here, but ItsAlwaysLupus pointed out that Oricon is on the list of recommended charts at WP:GOODCHARTS. I think I understand why it's being excluded based on your edit summaries, but I was wondering if that's a consensus that's been established somewhere?

ItsAlwaysLupus feels intimidated by you, so I'd appreciate if you replied directly to me instead of ItsAlwaysLupus. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

This is so bizarre and kinda weird. Well, actually IAL is probably not aware of the funda called component charts. These are the charts which are used for compiling a main chart. For eg: the Hot 100 Airplay, Hot Singles Sales and Hot Digital Songs make up the Billboard Hot 100. Hence if a song charts on the Hot 100, we do not include any of its component charts. This is the case of Japan Hot 100. The Oricon physical sales chart, although a completely valid chart, is compiled by SoundScan Japan and is one of the component charts of Japan Hot 100. Hence the reason why I excluded it. And yes, there's been a pretty strong consensus across the board about this. If you see the tab for Japan in the WP:GOODCHARTS, you will see that the Oricon is under sales column, along with RIAJ digital track, and Billboard sales chart. The Japan Hot 100 on the other hand is stretched across the sales + airplay column, denoting it is the all-encompassing chart. For a particular nation, any chart which combines sales + airplay is preferred over just sales, or just airplay cchart. If you want further clarification, User:Kww is there, along with all the music editors who follow this consensus. I can invite all of them if you want. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. That makes sense to me. I'll try to explain it to ItsAlwaysLupus. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Billboard

Sorry to bother you, but do you know anyone that has the Fred Bronson Billboard Book of Number 1 Hits', the 2003 issue. I am trying to get as much information on; "Genie in a Bottle", "What a Girl Wants", and "Come On Over Baby (All I Want Is You)". Thanks in advance --FeuDeJoie (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Frcm1988 is your answer. :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :) --FeuDeJoie (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Radar/Unusual You

Hey Lego, could you comment here? Thanks, Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh god, that again? I thought it was settled long back? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

W.E

Regarding W.E (film), I have the article on my watchlist due to the IP sock. However, regarding Kate Muir's review, the reference says, "The first notices are in... and most of them are not kind, to put it mildly. Kate Muir of our sister paper, The Times of London, reports that her romantic historical fantasy about the 'misunderstood' (as she put it at her press conference), Nazi-loving Duke and Dutchess of Windsor is 'screamingly, inadverdently funny in parts.'" The Wikipedia article says Muir "complimented some of the funny scenes of the film", but I think "complimented" is inaccurate in light of the context. The inadvertence needs to be more clear. What do you think? Erik (talk | contribs) 16:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Good catch. What do you suggest can be put in its place. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:06, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Not sure, but I see the IP sock is persistent. Let's figure it out after the sock's blocked. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:14, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Revert the sock wherever you see it. As for the article, its been protected fully. We can discuss the content. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

It may be that Kate Muir's review should belong in the negative part of the reception section. I see that her review is not accessible online, and I assume that's why the New York Post is used instead. I think I can access the review through my university database; going straight to the source may be better. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

If its a whole out and out negative review, I have no problem in moving it. Erik it would be a great help if you can see whether your Univ database has it. By the way, how do you feel teh article is shaping up? Also, hi to you since we have never met before . :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello to you too! :) The article appears well-rounded to me, although I have to admit, I'm not seeing the so-called historical hook for this film. :) Anyway, I found the review and pasted it at TinyPaste. It seems pretty negative in general, though it is positive about some things. Maybe we could just drop Muir for now? The film will get more reviews in December, and they'll probably be more professional than Muir's review. (One thing I dislike about negative reviews, critics often seem to have fun with their own vocabulary in bashing a film, rather than telling straight-up what's wrong with it.) If you still want to implement the review, the top of the TinyPaste page has reference wiki-code you can use. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:47, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Did you guys know Madonna loathes Hydrangea? :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 16:50, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Erik, I do believe we can move the Katie review. Would you do the honors? Nathan, Hydrangeadonna got your mind? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

J-Lo discography

Hey old one :P. Lol kidding, that was about the conversation we had on Nath's page, I was just kidding. Hehe. Can you check the discography again and if it's all good with the n-dashes give your vote and if it's not explain on which other place should we add them. Thank You :) ! Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 18:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Replied. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK Nomination of The Secret of the Nagas

Well done on expanding The Secret of the Nagas. Excellent work. I've reviewed the DYK nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/The Secret of the Nagas and it passes in all respects expect maybe it is not the most interesting DYK hook ever. I don't know if there's something you can do about that? It may well get used anyway, but... best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, replied there. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Help

Hi Legolas I was wondering if you have a help article that would tell me what things do. Eg. " | [[. Things like that. I want to try and fix up an Australian Singles chart to make it appear like the Billboard Hot 100 so it is easier to read but I think I need more knowledge to do this. If you could post it here or on my talk page that would be great. Thank You :) Muthamonster (talk) 01:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Umm what example you wanted? Your link is not correct. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Lego, I think he/she wants to know about linking, piping, Wiki formatting etc. Novice7 (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Question ...

Hi Avi. Does this website lists songs going for urban adds? Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

They used to. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I heard this song for the first time today and i feel as if it gives me life. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Rolling Stone Lady gaga

Hi,
for some reason, this doesn't work (in the external link). Is there a way to read it online? thanks, Ofekalef (talk) 11:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

It works perfectly for me. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

this page? "The page you tried was not found. You may have used an outdated link or may have typed the address (URL) incorrectly." Don't you get it? Ofekalef (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

You have given me a different link. The reference you cited goes to People magazine, not Rolling Stone. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:06, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Why? Reference no. 7 (Look in edit mode). People is reference no. 6, I think. Is this working? Ofekalef (talk) 16:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)