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This is an archive of User talk:Lar from about 1 July 2006 through about 15 July 2006. Please do not comment here, use my current talk page for that, thanks. It is part of a series of archives, see the box at right for the list and to navigate to others.

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Chimney

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Thanks very much. Information is noted.

--Dore chakravarty 13:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


The Scarlet Letter!

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You asked for it with that attitude of yours, gentleman - you should be ashamed of yourself! Now you'll have to wear this scarlet letter for the rest of your wiki-life! :) Bwa-ha-ha! *smoochs!* Phædriel ♥ tell me - 01:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Help with Project template?

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Help, what am I doing wrong? I tried a combo of the Beatles and the 0.5 template to do the Comments thing and the category does not appear if a Comments page exists. Here's my template {{WPFirefly}} - I put the sentence that gives the link in the areas where the class is being assigned and then the category include code is near the bottom. I put a comment on this page Talk:Firefly (soundtrack) Oleg said I should ask you for help on this :-) Thanks! plange 17:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me take a look... To confirm, Talk:Firefly (soundtrack) has comments at Talk:Firefly (soundtrack)/Comments ? Case matters in this stuff, I may have bobbled somehting in my logic. ++Lar: t/c 17:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK I made some improvements for the categorization but the "see comments" bit isn't quite right. see Talk:Blue_Sun vs Talk:Firefly (soundtrack). the latter is in the category correctly and the former isn't, which is good but the former just says "see comments" instead of "if you were the rater would you please add comments on the ratings"... ++Lar: t/c 18:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
All sorted now I think. Please advise if it's not right, or if you need further help. Happy Editing! ++Lar: t/c 18:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a bunch! What did it end up being? I'm really new to the wiki coding stuff (am a coder in real life though) and am finding it hard to find documentation on syntax - still haven't discovered what {{!}} means... Thanks! plange 19:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"{{!}}" means "|" if you are already inside a template invocation and are invoking another, or inside of certain parserfunctions which expect | as a separator for things (like #ifeq: or #ifexists: which uses | for the "if/then/else" separation. The category problem was in fact related to | ... you had no | after the ifexists to say it was the then clause. Try taking a diff to see what I changed if that didn't make sense. This syntax is obscure stuff indeed. I learned most of what I know by trial and error and experimentation, but d m:Magic_words and m:ParserFunctions are very helpful reading. Also play with the stuff I left at the bottom that's commented out, in a sandbox (I have a sandbox version of WPBeatles I play with to get things right before I edit it) Hope that helps... ++Lar: t/c 19:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Lar plange 23:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well said

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Your posting to AN/I regarding User:Alienus covered the topic well. Thanks for preparing it - I couldn't have done better. -Will Beback 17:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Confederation of the Equator

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Thanks! This really means a lot to me! OMEN 19:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RFA thanks

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Computer Problems

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What does it mean if edit says Επεξεργασία? GrasslandT 23:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps your language preference is set wrong? Where were you seeing that message? try going into your preferences and making sure your language choice is English. Hope that helps. If not, ask on Village pump or at the Help desk ++Lar: t/c 00:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Where would I find by language preference? Under skin? What? You know the edit bar, article, talk and edit this page. On the edit this page it said Επεξεργασία? instead. GrasslandT 01:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's above the tabs... my preferences. Here is the url: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Preferences. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 02:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see anywhere that says "English" What skin is the normal skin? GrasslandT 23:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Monobook but it's not a skin issue. Once you follow that URL change tabs til you see language. If you are still stuck ask at the help desk you'll get much faster answers. ++Lar: t/c 23:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 3, July 2006

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 003 – July 2006

Beatles News
Project News
  • New article classification system, for our use and for Wikipedia 1.0. Very important and we need editor involvement. How can you help? Rate articles! It's easy:
    • Visit Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification and read about how to grade.
    • Visit Category:Unassessed Beatles articles and select an article to review.
    • After deciding what grade it should have, modify the invocation of {{WPBeatles}} on the talk page to add parms. The template itself gives you the parameters to use. For example, change {{WPBeatles}} to {{WPBeatles|B|Low}} if you think it's a low-importance, B-class article. Save your changes and make sure the talk page is now showing the ratings.
    • Click on the link in the template to edit the /comments subpage and explain why you rated the article the way you did. Don't forget to sign with ~~~~. Save that too.
    • Questions? Ask Kingboyk or Lar for help.
  • Want to stay up on new project developments? Watchlist all of the WikiProject pages plus The Beatles and each of the 4 members, to get a feel for what's happening. Also monitor and regularly review Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality log. If an article is listed on there as "added", go check the article's history. If it's new since the Project began add it to the Project Log as a new article and up the counter by one :)
Member News
Issue of the Month

Preparing articles for inclusion in Wikipedia 1.0.

From the Editors

It was a bit of a struggle to get this month's newsletter done, as we did it without a lead editor. Hopefully, next month you'll jump in and be our lead editor. Big news is that WP:1.0 is coming along nicely and our article classification system has changed to conform to it.

If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy!

Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 004 – August 2006). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing!

Contributors to this Issue
Want to help on next month's newsletter? Don't want to receive these in future? Don't want it subst'd next time? – It's all here.

DYK

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Hi Lar,

I'll do some tomorrow on the 0-8 shift. I'm a bit busy atm. Blnguyen | rant-line 02:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

excellent, thanks! ++Lar: t/c 02:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus to close HRE's RFA.

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As of now, there is still no consensus on Wikipedia (not on IRC) to close HRE's RFA. As I understand it, discussions are going on in the admin channel. Would itbe possible for you to ask someone to just temporarily restore my access so I could join in? NSLE 02:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let's take this to AN/I if we must. There is pretty clear consensus that this RfA should be at least temporarily closed pending resolution. you'll note I've protected the page because I'd rather not see you fall afoul of 3RR. ++Lar: t/c 02:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
On that note, Lar, it says "invite only" -does that mean you can let me in, or does Shanel, Jdforrester or Talrias need to change the access? Blnguyen | rant-line 02:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot give access but get on IRC and I'll ask someone else to do it since you're an admin. I will not ask on behalf of a non admin. ++Lar: t/c 02:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm there as blnguyen.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Mind you, there are non-admins in that channel. NSLE 02:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not granted by me. Note also that Danny has now asked that this RfA be closed so access at this point may be moot ++Lar: t/c 02:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I've asked him to clarify, without a proper announcement on the wiki, I'm not buying that. NSLE 02:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That is unfortunate. You may want to reconsider that position. Basically you're saying the rest of the admins are lying. ++Lar: t/c 02:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I note that you just got a warning from Danny himself, which you reverted. Bad form. ++Lar: t/c 03:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:NSLE/Archive 12. Please do not make baseless accusations and assume good faith. Good day. NSLE 03:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You archived your talk page right after you got a warning? I'd call that a reversion. You've been assuming bad faith on the part of others through this all, insisting that you knew better than the rest of us when we said Danny wanted things done, then removing his warning through a convenient archive. Well the page is OFFICE protected now, just like we said it was going to be. Then to top it off you IRCed me to swear at me? I think you have issues that you're going to need to work through. ++Lar: t/c 03:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't know why I'm even bothering to reply to this. Archiving my talk page because I am quitting the project is not a reversion. AGF. NSLE 03:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's just too convenient to do so. And you need to assume good faith too, when others tell you Danny asked for something assume they're telling the truth instead of being obstinate. That's far larger an issue here than your convenient reversion/archiving. I never archive things till they're two weeks old. ++Lar: t/c 03:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

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Thanks a lot for your help on my unsigned comments, I was doing them fast and not really paying attention. But, I was wondering, should I go back and change them to my sig, or is that pointless at this point? Thanks. Vint 03:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You want to preserve the date, theoretically, but it's close enough in that you could just re sign and it owuld be fine. Up to you. ++Lar: t/c 04:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thanks. Vint 19:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

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Updated DYK query On July 5, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Flamenco A Go-Go, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BRIAN0918 04:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:WikiProject/Best_practices#Categorisation

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I've just finished writing that section from scratch, having spent a lot of time today sorting out the categories and templates of other WikiProjects :) I'd appreciate a review/edit if you have the time and inclination. Cheers mate. --kingboyk 17:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help wanted re Beatles thingy stuff an all....

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My brane hurts. No, really, it does not want to play - I will stick with the editing and discussions and stuff but the techy side is not what I am on Wiki for. That side is best served by those with an aptitude for it (and bless them, I wouldn't have all the whizzy stuff to do without them/you). However, I did have a look and before my synapses went into meltdown I did notice a possible typo in the second paragraph of Wikipedia:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification/Migrating; there may be a word or two missing in the second bracketed text. I hope you get the help you need. LessHeard vanU 20:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC) ps. does this mean you got AWB to work?[reply]

We can't - and don't want - to do everything :) If the instructions make it seem difficult, they need to be improved, because it's just a copy and paste job. It's not such a technical thing either: perhaps you don't agree but I think The Beatles articles need a lot of work, and before that can be done we need to know where we stand. It's a very important part of the Project. Without initiatives like this we're just a debating shop! --kingboyk 20:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template, again

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Have a look at this Talk:Italian War of 1521. See how the Military WP include things like old peer reviews in their template? (thereby chucking some other templates off their talk pages). I like... Muchly! --kingboyk 21:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC) PS There's an anti-WikiProject-templates thread on WP:AN but I think it will blow over.[reply]

I'l look at it all later (soon) I did go look and it looks cool... kinda off wiki at the NMRA show for a few days though. ++Lar: t/c 23:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)... ps, linkie for that AN thing?, I did not see it.[reply]
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#En_masse_addition_of_Military_History_WikiProject_tags --kingboyk 11:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I had already replied to SPUI's essay, and I've replied there as well. It was brought to my attention on IRC I think. LMK if there is more I should be saying. ++Lar: t/c 11:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

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Updated DYK query On July 7, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joyland Amusement Park, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality log

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...shows a disappointing lack of assessment activity. We might have to send out another note, because I for one have no intention of assessing all 600++ articles. --kingboyk 10:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC) PS Regarding the other live issue of the day, could you drop me an email saying what I have to do? I plan to speak to the person in question to get some further info too. Hopefully later today.[reply]

I have no such intention either. Last I checked I didn't see any comment migration either despite asking several editors... so I'm not sure what should be done. The other bit may be too mysterious to decode, I've emailed you. ++Lar: t/c 11:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK photo

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Thank you for your nice message.[2] I am sorry I have been slow to respond, it has been a busy week. I actually did update DYK once, but I didn't do it quite right and I haven't yet been bold enough to try again. Some day, though, for sure! In the meantime, I am trying to contribute to DYK by feeding in quality new articles, and by improving some of those in the list. BTW, I sent you an e-mail on a different topic. Thanks again for your message and also for your work on DYK in general. Best, Johntex\talk 20:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Got that mail... will respond. Get back on that horse and try another update man! But any activity is good ++Lar: t/c 03:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Froggy RfA thanks

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Paying homage to my roots...

Samsara (talk • contribs) 17:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tobias Conradi

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Lar, I believe you should tone down your sarcasm in referring to the above user. I am a little uncomfortable in seeing that he was blocked for accusing somebody of stalking him. I don't even consider that a Personal Attack, much less worthy of a 48 hour block (even with his antecedents). It is true that he was uncivil and aggressive but your sarcasm is no less agressive than his bluntness. I was this close of reverting the block but I decided against, maybe it will calm Tobias down and help overall peace.

FYI, I am watching this exchange between Tobias and several users very closely and I plan to revert any new block that I deem unjustly applied (or unjustly long). I understand that he sometimes may be aggravating, but accusations of votestacking are not very nice and one happens to involve me. I understand why he is feeling frustrated. I chose not to take the votestacking accusation as a personal attack (as pschamp did with the stalking accusation). I hope you are able to take a step back and when Tobias comes back from his block you are both able to tone down this argument and keep it a little more civil.

Thanks, and sorry for the long message. Sebastian Kessel Talk 23:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian, WP:SPAM Specifically says, "Wikipedia editors are not to engage in aggressive cross-posting in order to influence votes, discussions, requests for adminship, requests for comment, etc. By internal spamming, we mean cross-posting of messages to a large number of user talk pages, by Wikipedians, in order to promote Wikipedia matters such as elections, disputes, discussions, etc." Now, whatever his intention, that is exactly what Tobias did. The community has determind that is bad form, however, since it appears to be the first time, I assumed good faith and just warned him about this. As for the stalking, there is a very nasty connotation associated with that word, and his repeat use, after being warned, IS a personal attack. There are many, many other personal attacks and untrue accusations Tobias has made about me on his userpage which I have chosen to ignore, but if he cannot control his ire, and reign in his words, he needs not to be editing. If you have an issue with a block, the correct thing to do is to post it on WP:ANI or discuss with the blocking admin rather than to revert out of hand. Certainly I give other admins the courtesy of discussing blocks I have issues with in this manner and I would expect that you would too, as is community custom. Not to mention WP:BLOCK "If you disagree with a block placed by another admin, do not unblock without first contacting the blocking admin and discussing the matter. If the blocking admin is unavailable for comment a discussion on WP:AN/I is recommended instead." I understand if you are upset about the AFD of the Tango article, but disregarding policy because of it would be very bad form. pschemp | talk 00:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See also User talk:pschemp for more discussion of this. ++Lar: t/c 17:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

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Hi, I would like to express my gratitude for your participation at my recent RfA. The final vote was 68/21/3 and resulted in me becoming an admin!

For those of you who supported my RfA, I highly appreciate your kind words and your trust in me. For those who opposed - many of you expressed valid concerns regarding my activity here; I will make an effort in addressing them as time goes on while at the same time using my admin tools appropriately. So, salamat, gracias, merci, ありがとう, спасибо, धन्यवाद, 多謝, agyamanak unay, شكرًا, cảm ơn, 감사합니다, mahalo, ขอบคุณครับ, go raibh maith agat, dziękuję, ευχαριστώ, Danke, תודה, mulţumesc, გმადლობთ, etc.! If you need any help, feel free to contact me.

PS: I took the company car (pictured left) out for a spin, and well... it's not quite how I pictured it. --Chris S. 23:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but No Thanks

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I accept you disciosion, but. I will have no part of it. Goodday. Nookdog 02:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you could rephrase it? ++Lar: t/c 02:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Per our IRC discuttion ;) Nookdog

Sorry, never mind. I just realized I'm posting on the wrong talkpage. Oops! Nookdog 02:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?

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At the bottom of the section for July 10, you wrote: "Interesting article, but had taken six already when I got to here. None above here evaluated. ++Lar: t/c 02:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)". If that's true, then how did the July 13 Lake Washington suggestion made the template without even getting removed from the list? Also, I don't think suggestions from July 9 were eligible on July 14, but that's a minor thing. I'm more interested in why you chose to feature stubby P57. Did something happen I don't know about? - Mgm|(talk) 05:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lake washington was the oldest article with a picture. everything older had none. We always have a pic, I did some trolling in older articles and did not see any pic candidates (shold have made that clear in the watermark comment I guess). It was still July 13 where I am when I did the update and that suggestion got passed over for no good reason so I took it, it's only a little diff. I don't thinnk P57 was that stubby, I rather liked it as I said. (Nothing happened that I'm aware of, I just liked it). Hope that helps! ++Lar: t/c 11:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

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Do you forgive me? - brenneman {L} 12:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, mate... Nothing to forgive, dear friend. Your neutral showed more support (due to thoughtfulness) than many supports do. Thanks for looking into things and commenting sagely. We should talk on IM/IRC sometime... ++Lar: t/c 12:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in North Carolina

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You've commited the cardinal sin of nomiminating and then "voting!" Fuddlemark with eat your liver if he sees that...
brenneman {L} 02:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I so totally did not "Vote"! I expressed my thinking toward consensus. And people do it all the time so bite me. :) ++Lar: t/c 03:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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