User talk:Ktr101/Sandbox

Interruptions

I was looking at the template and got distracted by the UFO thing above. Have you gotten any documentation on the disposition of the aircraft's serial number? A FOIA request might reveal the ANG's "official" story about the aircraft and its pilot. Just a thought. TDRSS (talk) 20:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Still uncomfortable.

Nothing from sources establishes the importance of this alleged incident. I also find the article to be argumentative at several points about the incident itself, when accounts clearly differ and there is no apparent official record. It would appear we are giving great weight to an account contradicted by some clear facts without any good reason to do so. --Dhartung | Talk 23:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Delayed comment

Apologies, again for forgetting that I had promised to look at this. It's certainly better, in my opinion improved enough not to qualify for speedy deletion WP:CSD#G4 as a repost of deleted material.

But I have to say I don't think it would survive as an article: it all hangs on an improbable story told by one (presumably old) man twenty years after the incident is supposed to have happened, with absolutely no confirmation. (Calling him an old man is not ageism: I am an old man myself, and I know that one's memories of things that happened a long time ago can be pretty confused).

Even the UFO Revue has to admit "problems reconciling Dargie's story with reality" and that "the evidence.. is very shaky" I cannot believe that the Air Force does not have records of what happened to its aircraft and its pilots, so that we are into "Government cover-up" conspiracy theory.

I don't think you make out your case that "there is credible evidence to support" Dargie. What is your source for "Barry Greenwood, an editor for the Mutual Unidentified Flying Object Network talked to many Massachusetts Air National Guard pilots and they remembered the story being passed around that year." It doesn't say that in your ref.1. And which year? If it was 1953, the year the incident is supposed to have happened, that would be serious confirmation; but if it was 1975, the year Dargie told his story, that just means the pilots had heard it on the radio and discussed it.

It can't be an article about the disappearance, because that fails WP:V for lack of reliable sources. It has to be an article about the story or, if you like, about the mystery, and then you would have to show that the mystery was notable by means of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." But apart from the Greenwood account, you only have a brief mention on the History channel - and did they really say that "the incident occurred", or just that it was said, by one man, to have occurred?

Sorry to be discouraging; you don't need to take my word for it. You could post a request at WP:Requests for feedback, and you could look at other articles in the Paranormal/UFO/Unexplained field, and see if you can find other editors interested in those areas who could help.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== I find myself agreeing with the reviewers above. There is little here but a report that some people remember hearing a story that, by your own account, is not credible. That some other fringe media have mentioned it in passing is hardly a persuasive argument for writing a whole article about it. Roregan (talk) 20:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Please research the topic.

The actual USAF report makes perfect sense, so no need to use unverified UFO claims.

51-13511 ... 51-13603 Lockheed F-94C-1-LO Starfire c/n 880-8295/8387

13559 (c/n 880-8343, 27th FIS) crashed Jul 2, 1954 after both crewmembers ejected after a fire warning light had illuminated. Aircraft crashed at Walesville Intersection, NY, killing 4 people on the ground. This incident is often listed in UFO lore as being brought down while chasing a UFO. Supposedly, when the pilot tried to close in on the target, a sudden, unbearable heat filled the cockpit, forcing the crew to bail out. The F-94 was on a routine training mission when GCI requested the plane intercept an unknown aircraft. The pilot identified it as a C-47 and was then requented to check out a second unidentified aircraft (later described as an unidentified weather balloon). When the pilot started a descent, he noted an increase in cockpit temperature and noted the fire warning light, the engine was shut down and both crewmembers ejected successfully.

from: http://cgibin.rcn.com/jeremy.k/cgi-bin/gzUsafSearch.pl?target=&content=F-94 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.89.210.38 (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)