User talk:Karan1974

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well at first i was unaware about the alphabetical order but beside that what ever i edited was in order to make up for the inadequate information and in the article "Education in Odisha " the spell of Veer Surendra Sai University Of Technology was wrong it was written as Vir surendra sai........technology so i corrected it and added a few bits of information regarding it. Smilesaswat (talk) 11:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Veer surendra sai university of technology is not a part of BPUT it is a unitary tecnical university.

Dear user "Mukkhuu",

First please relax :) Take a deep breath and another and another till you have calmed down... Your hands are literally shaking in frustration and anger, and your mind is muddled up to write a straight message to me... 4 edits on my talk page within a span of couple of minutes with the same content :D And the joke is on you  :) And look who is having the laughing bouts.

The investigation or as you want to say "mega-investigation" revealed that you are a LIAR and indulge in sock puppetry. For your kind information please visit your talk page and also the notice board about the comments from wiki admin. You created "Mukkhuu" first and then "Editbot3" and you indulged in sock puppetry. To refresh your memory, User "Mukkhuu" got created on July 24, 2010 and user "Editbot3" got created on Dec 5, 2010. There has been overlap of edits (verifiable by looking at the revision history) which suffices to say that they were used in parallel. The admins have already found this out and have determined that user "Mukkhuu" is the master account as that was the account that got created first and not the other way round. By indulging in this action and corresponding dubious edits, unfortunately you socked. Additional details can be found out on the earlier mentioned locations. Well, let me copy the extracts here for your ready reference:

From your talk page:

Notification of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents report

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Atama頭 21:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Atama, I do not engage in any sockpuppetry at all. I had an account under Editbot3 a long time ago. If you look you see that I never logged in as Editbot3 the day Mukkhuu was created. That is because at that time I was unaware that I could not use "bot" in a username and was warned for it. I immediately created Mukkhuu and do not use any other username, like your investigation shows. Karan1974 is falsely accusing me. The case is about something else actually. Karan1974 has been quarreling with me and several others for a very long time over getting some unknown dancer's name in the Odissi list of performers, someone known to him and like he mentions in one of his long rambling rants to me, his daughtes's dance teacher. Karan1974 has been reverting back to any changes being made regarding the removal of this particular dancer, Bidisha Mohanty's name and does not respect the opinion of other editors of the wiki page. Turns out few of these people were resorting to sockpuppetry, which is unfortunate. But it does reflect the opinion that only Karan1974 would like this name included, while if you research further, you will see that the person whose name Karan1974 is attempting to include "Bidisha Mohanty" is not a prominent Odissi dancer with track record like the others in the same list. I and several others believe that wiki was meant to give accurate information and not made a portal to promote otherwise obscure characters. This is turning out to be a funny high school power play and so Karan1974 is having his/her way. Reflects badly on what wiki stands for, but right now, I do not have any interest in trying to do the "right" thing anymore. Mukkhuu (talk) 06:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

You didn't log in as Editbot3 the day that you created Mukkhuu, because the Mukkhuu account was created on July 24, 2010, 5 months before you created Editbot3 (on December 5 that year). Our policy is that you can't use more than one account to edit the same article. You edited the Odissi article as Editbot3 from December 2010 all the way through July of 2011. You edited that same article as Mukkhuu from July 2010 up through today, so you edited that page as Mukkhuu both before, during, and after the time you were editing it as Editbot3. You're giving the false impression that you created Editbot3 first, and were warned about the username, and then abandoned Editbot3 and created Mukkhuu so that you could edit with a username not in violation of our policy. That's clearly a lie. You have to understand that everything you do on Wikipedia is logged, and those records are easily accessed, you don't even have to be an administrator to do see them. As I said, do not create any more accounts to edit your articles, doing so will lead to this account being blocked, probably indefinitely. -- Atama頭 18:35, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

And the following is from the notice board:

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

I already replied at Mukkhuu's user talk page about the denial of socking, but what Karan1974 says above about account creation dates and overlapping edits is completely true. Mukkhuu's statements are demonstrably false, just looking at the contribution history and creation logs of the two accounts makes it pretty obvious. I don't know why this denial is even being made, I won't block someone for sockpuppetry if the sockpuppet was already blocked over a month ago and no further socks have been used since. I doubt any other admin would either. My whole point about the warning was so that Mukkhuu couldn't claim ignorance of policy if another sock was used in the future. I'm assuming that Editbot3 was created out of ignorance of our sockpuppet policy. But then again, with this recent attempt at deception I'm starting to wonder if it's safe to assume good faith here. -- Atama頭 19:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, your NEW profile had a "bot" in its name and not the previous profile as you have remembered by now. Nice way to choose the name with a "bot"... to give the impression that a robot is doing some edits to add a genuineness angle. How pesky ? And a great deal sneaky.

Please stop you bluff and blatant lies for you have been thoroughly Exposed. You have lost your complete credibility here :D So please stop blabbering and if you have an dignity left, please exit gracefully.

To your statement "Rani2010 thinks like me".... NO... in fact NOT at all... Rani2010 thinks and does three times more than you do. Your sock puppet was "Editbot3" but Rani2010 had 3 sockpuppets "OdissicriticDelhi", "IndianDanceCritic" and "DanceCritic1971". All duly exposed and blocked. All I can say is birds of a feather flock together. Untruthful people associate with untruthful people :)

I am not a Winner for I am just a normal mortal Karan1974 doing good for the society at large. The truth and factual information is the "Real Winner" here. Now that you would again be laughing (but sheepishly now or in all probability crying now), let me try to humour you a bit for the alphabetic order... Dr. Bidisha Mohanty's name now appears in the 8th position but if I remove "Dr." part she would climb to 4th position... Good point to ponder over :) But no, not required, Bidisha ji earned it so she will have it but others have not earned that distinction. Sorry, can't help with the names others were born with, and sequencing it greatly reduces the biasness... seniority scale :) please send me a list when you compile one with factual information.

Yes, I remember the message about Bidishaji is as humble as humble can be and is publicity averse, so do you want to clue her in about the activities that is going on in wiki. Please don't or she may start a witch-hunt here. And at least one good thing has got cultivated in you and in case you are wondering what it is...surprise...surprise... you have started reading :)

Your equations are straight forward and I like it, but inherent assumptions are faulty. Let me help here.

Your equation: 1 Mukkhuu + 1 Rani2010 + 1 Dr. Bidisha Mohanty > 1 Karan1974 which means Mukkhuu and Rani2010 win (wow!!!).

Well you overlooked one very important FACT and the NEW equation become like this.

1 Mukkhuu = 1

1 Editbot3 (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 Rani2010 = 1

1 OdissicriticDelhi (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 IndianDanceCritic (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 DanceCritic1971 (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 Dr. Bidisha Mohanty = 1

Total score = -37 which is less than 1 Karan1974, which means Mukkhuu and Rani2010, you loose (boo !!!).

Wiki Odissi page is for the community and only factual information would be presented here and not somebody's whims and fancies and personal preferences. I have put in a bit of effort to make it look more presentable and cleaned up the biased way of representing information.

Let me reiterate again, user "Mukkhuu" and "Rani2010"... you have lost your complete credibility here. And for goodness sake stop with your hillarious lies.

p.s. This would seem long to you but my own writings are less here and it becomes bulky after I copy some relevant information to save some of your precious time. --Karan1974 (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Winner! What a joke! Alphabetical order so that Bidisha Mohanty doc guru's name can go right up. Clever strategy. I can't believe you took the pains of investigating my "sockpuppetry"! ha ha ha ha ha... And what did your mega-investigation reveal? I told you I do not do anything like that. you did not believe me. My previous username had "bot" in it and so I had to change to this. That's it. And you set the wiki-cop on me! Rani2010 thinks like me, that's not my fault. Don't even know her. I only know that we both do not think it is right that this dancer's name deserves to be with the likes of Aruna Mohanty and Ratikanta Mahapatra. And you wrote in a message to me, that Bidisha ji also does not like publicity and is humble. So that makes three of us against you. :D But Odissi is now your personal page and so you can alphabetically arrange "everything" in it. Mukkhuu (talk) 07:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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Oh My God !!! A peaceful and a calm mind is good. To your statement "You seriously want me to list people"... this is wiki and not a personal website for your kind information... Thanks but no thanks :) ...own countries ??? Hmmmm and Hmmmm.... "Honestly, I am banging my head against a wall." and it seems you possibly took the literal aspect of the meaning; it was metaphorical. You are still having issues reading thru the perf list on the website or the responses I have provided earlier. I am sorry I can not help you beyond that. People who have a different point of view and provide factual information appear as yelling, quarreling, rambling and I am terribly sorry, that I can not help you there either. Strangely, you love asking questions, quoting hearsay and making passionate claims but don't have any facts or sources to back it up or provide any answers. Please relax. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 01:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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He he he... calm down ... O My God! You seriously want me to list people involved in Odissi and given performances/lectures/demonstrations at a few programs in their own countries? I will now stop responding to someone who is yelling, quarreling, rambling and maybe actually doing something like: "Honestly, I am banging my head against a wall." :D I will stop now because you are becoming too violent. Thanks and bye, and my regards to the international star. Mukkhuu (talk) 00:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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Sure she is Mukkhuu :) and please don't forget the Dr. part. She earned it. No answers yet from your end :D :D --Karan1974 (talk) 05:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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Humble Guru Bidisha Mohanty. :D

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I am normally straight-faced but this discussion just evokes laughter. You just wasted a bit of your time here to describe what Wiki is... There are citations all across :) And discussion pages are public too... oh my... I did not know and so did other people too... we are really ignorant... Thank you so much for educating us. She DID and was not in the finalists list like so many of our famous internationally recognized Odissi Gurus. Being a part of the event is what counts. Putting across facts and responding to your questions makes you seem like fighting. Kudos. Seems you never had any kind of discussion before. I am sorry, you are monarchy and are not habituated to a democratic way of functioning. Why put the questions when you are not receptive towards the answer. Name calling. What? Where? If you mention and attribute me as Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty what harm befalls when I attribute some others to you. Take it in your stride dude. Honestly, I am banging my head against a wall. I have provided apt justifications all along and now let me play the role of the questioner. You had still not provided the response to thousands of Odissi Practitioners with 30 years of experience and 9 years of international experience. Who are they and where are they ? You put across very vague questions and seem to enjoy beating around the bush. Please go thru earlier responses and you will get your answers. And you put forth an equally baseless point "What is her extraordinary achievement/contribution towards Odissi apart from being passionate and enthusiastic and running a school for kids, like a thousand others across the globe". Where are these thousands located? Are they listed somewhere ? What is the source behind this statement ? --Karan1974 (talk) 21:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

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Funny how you won't stop fighting me and calling me names :) For general knowledge for me and others (since this page is public, too, you know): So, Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty did NOT perform at SF Ethnic Festival? That's alright. Your earlier post sounded like she did, I misunderstood. What are some of her major international performances? Does she have any prominent disciple? What is a major production that has earned her appreciation across the field of dance? The paragraph in the wiki page contains an exclusive list of Gurus internationally recognition. What is her extraordinary achievement/contribution towards Odissi apart from being passionate and enthusiastic and running a school for kids, like a thousand others across the globe.

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Precisely... as I explained it myself... it's not one person but a multitude of persons behind the single facade... who does not have the patience to reflect on his recent past post or to the response... please put some attention and then it would not sound as a ramble specifically to you. More specifically, it's written in plain english and just a plain reading would suffice to get down to the gist of it. Oh finally, Mukkhuu (your highness) realized that SF Ethnic Festival is not a "local program" anymore... good... please do some more studies and research... you sure need it... That's the list of finalists you are showing and who do we have there....2 international gurus only across 12 years and 1 appearance only for each of them over these span of years and we have a running list of gurus listed now in Wiki... How ? What a sad fate that all these people are not internationally recognized artists or gurus by your logic. So what do we do now... hmmm... prune down the list majorly.... And if you know how to read dear (reiterating for your benefit: "participation in SF Ethnic Dance Festival") then you should not be having these basic questions... As explained I am not a performer... just a follower, so I can not perform. Maybe you can try the next time around dear disgruntled performer. I am an American (since the last couple of years) but logic definitely is not.... does this hurt you as well Mukkhuu or Rani2010 or more specifically EditBot3 (again behind a facade of a Bot) to delete and edit names.... got blocked ha ha ha. Weird ??? Angry ??? Please stop kidding, for you have amply demonstrated who is what and please don't exhibit both of them anymore. Now you are fixated on the thought that I am Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty, who herself is publicity averse, so I have taken the reins to do something right and I am going to humor your thoughts. And sorry I forgot, you have got amnesia and hence can not recollect. Well you really got scared of Karma stuff ? I really had no idea you will be. You sure love to kid, don't you ? Thank you "your highness" for doing a great favor to the entire Odissi Community and sparing Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty's name (or my name if your highness pleases). --Karan1974 (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

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I have no idea what all this ramble is all about. Your American logic is weird. So, when did Bidisha ji (or maybe you) perform at SF Ethnic Festival? Your name does not occur in the list of major soloist or as group since 1999 [here]. That's 12 years... and you say u have 9 yrs of international experience. You should go after them to get your name in that list too. I might be wrong though, but I seriously did not find it there. Ha ha, I am not Rani2010. You are scaring me with Karma for doubting your merit because your accomplishments are not mentioned anywhere online? You are truly weird. Why are you still angry? :) I am not deleting your name :)

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My.... My.... who is doing the laughing.... it's good to laugh at oneself... makes me wonder if it is one person behind the facade or a group of persons... the style of writings for posts vary from here to there.... sometimes your responses are not consistent about what you my dear had written yourself in the recent past.... no amount of facts does make you understand the simple rationale... i.e. international.... famous... artiste... gurus...recognized... blogspot... and host of others ... which I very well think you understand but want to portray that whatever wrong stance you have taken you are not going to back off... This is an unfortunate stand. You are really bad in reading across somebody's achivements... what you mention as 9 years of effort is only that in USA and for your kind information she was not born is USA. I pity closed souls like you. Makes me wonder what kind of reading you do when you have trouble deciphering the first few sentences on her website. Rani2010 deleted pioneering part but before that I had raised objection to the post you had created my dear... This kind of "flaming" will raise the hackles of any body... Let me kindly refresh your mind... Please look at the edit you did on Aug 27 which is reflected as "Revision as of 19:21, 27 August 2011 (edit) (undo) Mukkhuu (talk | contribs)" to see who made the great original comment... You are still laughing... let me also join you ha, ha, ha, and a ha.. Please keep on laughing at yourself. I am not an expert nor a practitioner but a follower but I seem to have more mental acumen and knowledge on this dance form than a self proclaimed expert who claims to know a lot of esteemed gurus to call them by their first name... Still laughing.... Good luck... Now I can claim myself to be an expert for it's just 4 portals to look at and that's all one needs to know about Odissi. Do go ahead and put yourself in the Wiki that you are the best gatekeeper and upholder of pristine information on Odissi OR you are the the go to expert on Odissi OR you have the latest and greatest news in Odissi... Just try it once dear and somebody is sure to delete it out. To draw an allegory, that's what you exactly did and then rejoicing and then saying it got deleted... Dude... come back to your senses.... your original post got deleted. Come back to planet earth and mortal beings. One should still keep humour. You seem to be quoting some sites here and there, and are completely undecided about what is the source of truth. Sometimes you quote blogspot... sometimes this wiki...when you are questioned you don't answer... and then you quote some other sites. Didn't you cultivate the habit of calling a spade a spade.... It's not too late. Please look at the earlier replies to your questions to get the complete picture... your having amnesia or refusal to understand the facts does not change anything... Please don't guess me as her... as elaborated earlier you would be terribly dissapointed.... You will know who is doing this writing if you go thru the earlier responses... But I don't think you have gumption to do that. Reg: "you have no idea who I am"... Sure, I have NO idea who you are.... what do you think, I am a soothsayer or a fortune teller.... But you seem to think yourself as one but hello, wrong guess. Now that you have taken the liberty to guess-identify me so it merits that I take a guess too... you are one disgruntled dancer who has high hopes and dreams of making it to the international arena but is yet to materialize and feels important when you edit the deserving candidates out from this wiki and belittle their merits and achievements. And you know what "Rani2010" is only you as your alter ego and only God knows how many alter egos you have. And playing the "good cop and bad cop" routine or "I propose and I second it" mask is not inherently healthy in wiki. Please don't loose hope dude... everybody get's a chance.... Believe in Karma... Do good and good will come back to you or well... you know the rest... Great ha, ha and a ha... you know laughing is infectious... There could be a thousand names in this wiki page.... what a boast... please back it up... so how many Odissi practisioners are there with over 30 years in dance experience and 9 years of international experience... I don't see that many in the Odissi blogspot or narthaki nor chandrakanta... Please stop kidding now... I am having a belly ache with all the laughing... My long spiel of Odissi pertains to the situation in USA alone... World is too big a place and I have not been to any place apart from UK, Australia, Canada and USA and India obviously. To reiterate I did not tell anything about the world... just USA... You may have better insights in the other areas... Not discussing the hard facts does not make it disappear. But to each his own. Certainly would like to hear or read what own part you have done or had done to make Odissi popular and accessible. I have already mentioned the role I have played. What happened to your great comment on "Local Programs".... for you kind information eminent Gurus (which you have graciously listed yourself by first names) had also been the "local program" of SF Ethnic Festival... Some have tried for many years with their troupes and in only 1 incident had been thru the first round... notable exponents... ha ... ha... and a big HA. God bless.

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Yes, dancers across the world support each other. When it comes to creating a database of most prominent gurus to represent accurate information to the world, no - she is not one of the most prominent nor of international stature. Neither Narthaki nor chandrakanta or any Odissi portal lists her, Odissi blogspot briefly mentions her, she has no 'major' international performance. any of the above might give her a place amongst the names that she is currently listed with. I understnd her passion, dedication... it;s no one's fault that she is not of an internaitonal stature or have students who have prominence. Comparison with Jyoti Raut, Vishnu, Nandita Behera, Niharika or even Patnaik sisters??? another wiki user Rani also deleted the "pioneering" part, just to assure you. I mentioned her name just to help you see what everyone thinks... not just me!!! what I thought would happen really happened, someone deleted her completly you see. ha ha... "your highness". you have no idea who I am. but your passion to be "famous" will get you somewhere... well by now I think you are the "Bidisha Mohanty" yourself. Anyway, She will be given credit for her 9 years of effort, no doubt. But to be placed amongst the forerunners of Odissi, hmmmmm... interesting. But its alright, as you wish. ha ha. by the way, your long spiel about about odissi around the world is irrelevant in the current discussion. we all do our own part to make odissi accesible, popular. there could be a thousand name in this one wiki page if that was the case, who has similar achievements in the field of odissi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukkhuu (talk • contribs) 06:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Karan1974: Wikipedia is cheap publicity for some people. For most, it is a database of valid information.

Karan1974: I would request you to kindly look up the list of accomplishments of each of these people and judge for yourself: Hare Krishna Behera, Gangadhar Pradhan, Sonal Mansingh, Gita Mahalik, Oopali Operajita, Aruna Mohanty, Nandita Behera, Madhavi Mudgal, Trinath Maharana, Durga Charan Ranbir, Sharon Lowen, Kiran Segal, Sharmila Biswas, Sutapa Talukdar, Ileana Citaristi, Aloka Kanungo, Ratikant Mohapatra, Sujata Mohapatra, Ranjana Gauhar, Daksha Mashruwala, Poushali Mukherjee, Sharmila Mukherjee, Jhelum Paranjape, Chitralekha Patnaik, Ramli Ibrahim, Manoranjan Pradhan, Dibakar Khuntia, Madhumita Raut, Jyoti Rout, Ratna Roy, Bijayini Satpathy, Surupa Sen, Kasturi Pattanaik, Meera Das and Bichitrananda Swain. I mean no disrespect towards the Guru of your daughters, but please do not humiliate her like this -- if I do not erase her name, someone else will. By "community" I mean artistes across the world who have built this information resource. The artiste concerned is not internationally reknowned. I wish her all the best for her book.

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Hi. Please stop removing "red links". We like having red links; it encourages people to write the missing articles. The only good reason to remove such links is if it is highly unlikely that the such an article will ever be written. I'm surprised you've not been asked this before, since you've been doing it for a while. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 07:48, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi jpgordon,

My best wishes to you. I do hear your thoughts. And you are correct about this being not asked before. While removing the hanging links, I normally make it a point about mentioning the same in the edit summary (though I see that lots of contributors omit entering the edit summary). I agree that sometimes, I have given it a skip, to reduce some of my keystrokes. It's not that I only remove the red links, but I also insert appropriate links where it merits to have them, and also correct the bad links (pages which exist but the reference is not mentioned correctly).

My presumption is that any person, who would like to contribute or create a new page to that effect can do it, and would not require a red link reminder. As mentioned in the last para, I have done that and have seen other contributors do the same too. My personal feeling is that having red links gives the impression that the page is not kept up to date and also gives the sense that the page is not well formed. Thanks.

--Karan1974 (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

That's a fair presumption, however, it is incorrect. Please only remove red links if there is no chance that the subject will receive an article. Otherwise, the red links are quite appropriate notices to all readers and potential editors that there is still work to be done. (Also: if someone does create one of the articles you've delinked, how will they know where to restore the links?) --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 19:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks jpgordon for your response. I understand your point and I do agree with that facet too. However, to bolster my presumption and also to respond to your justification, wiki does provide a very important search feature where one can search for the occurrence of the words (or set) in any of the articles (or namespaces) across wiki. That would provide a very good reference point to the prospective editors where to effect the changes. I trust you could appreciate my point of view. Thanks.

--Karan1974 (talk) 20:59, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I do appreciate it. But it's not good practice to remove red links just because they are red. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 22:15, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you jpgordon for understanding my take on this. I will keep this point in consideration. Thanks again for this tip.--Karan1974 (talk) 22:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Note

Please do read WP:REDLINK, WP:OVERLINK and WP:ERA before editing articles. Please do preview edits before saving them (e.g. your edit broke the Kolkata article). Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 07:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Materialscientist, I did see that I have messed up and am still investigating on why that broke this and working on a solution to fix that... I will go thru the mentioned links and I think the best course of immediate action is to revert the changes I have done. Thanks for letting me know.--Karan1974 (talk) 07:37, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I see that you have reverted my edits. Thanks for taking the immediate action of putting the apt page back. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 07:40, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for kind note, but it seems you missed the point of my message. Please read the three pages I've linked. Your last edit to Kolkata contradicts WP:OVERLINK (yes, I've reverted that too :-). Materialscientist (talk) 07:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I would be honest to admit that I went thru the first link only and thought it would be apt to make the edits. Then I saw the revert you had done and had cited the policy; and then I went thru the "overlink" section and could understand the rationale behind the revert as well. Thanks for that... I am learning about the guidelines one step at a time :-) But quite frankly, I am still not convinced about the the "overlink" policy (surely, there should be a good rationale behind that), if I am encountering a word frequently and this becomes curious to me, I should be able to click the word (via a link) to learn more about it rather than finding the first occurrence of the word to click... Just my opinion. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 08:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The "overlinking" policy is a relatively recent development of the English wikipedia - we used to link more here, and wikipedias in other languages still link more than we do. But the policy is reasonable and is based on common sense - every word can be unknown to someone, but linking them all will make a mess out of an article - all words in blue, code hard to handle, etc. There is also little use linking common terms. For example we don't need a wikilink to understand what water means, yet it is an important article. Same can be said about India. Yet we link those terms, but only one-two times per article, usually at first appearance. Materialscientist (talk) 08:40, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying this. I certainly appreciate that :) I hope I can call upon you should I need some advise on policies or best practices. Thanks again --Karan1974 (talk) 08:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Reg. "Odissi" Dance article moves between Odissi and Odissi Dance

hi there Karan,

thank you for your message. The point is not necessarily the disambiguation, but what term is used the most. Doing a simple Google search shows that the word "Odissi" almost exlusively refers to the dance form, whereas the term "Odissi dance" shows up even less than that, and so forth. See also White House and White House (disambiguation) as an example, which illustrates the same issue. Gryffindor (talk) 22:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Gryffindor,

I apologize for the delayed response on account of Christmas holidays. I did a Google search using the term of "Odissi" and "Odissi dance" and it returned 1.5m and 1.9m results respectively, and I would state that this difference though big is not that significant, and Odissi indeed seems synonymous with the dance form itself. Thanks for the apt example on "White House" and I could understand what you intend to convey but "White House" is a very famous and people inherently refer it to mean the official home of the President of USA across the globe. The term of "Odissi" is not that popular and it is suffixed with other terms like literature or music, and I think that also made sense (need for disambiguation). I do agree with your thoughts as well as with Kwami for both of you have valid reasons. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 20:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Karan1974

Karan1974 are you from Odisha? --Srikant Kedia 08:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Srikant... I have spent a good many years in different cities of Orissa. That's a great place. Thanks.

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Thanks for letting me know. The only change I had to do was change "SankarPur" to "Sankarpur" to an entry done previously by another user. I could have verified the correctness of the link. I have taken care to remove the link. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dear Karan, this is really amazing to see you taking part in active editing in articles related to Odisha, are you aware of Odia Wikipedia? Would you like to take part in editing articles or helping for WikiProjects in it? --Subha^Utter2me! 11:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Subhashish, thank you for your note. I am aware of the "Odia Wikipedia". I would have loved to be a part of it. Unfortunately, I am not that great in writing with the Oriya script. Hope you understand. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 20:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

That's ok, but you could take part in other non-editing contribution, even Srikant Kedia doesn't make much contribution for writing content, but has contributions for organizing Outreach events, namespace edits, project coordination and many other activities. We need more volunteers with more diverse background, it is not just about writing content :) So, welcoming you to join us! 11:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcoming me. I will be pretty new to the areas mentioned, more specifically concerning wiki, but I will give it a shot. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 21:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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Adding sections to the Odissi entry

Greetings Karan1974 and other editors of "Odissi" - I plan on adding bit by bit to a new section titled "Odissi in the Diaspora: Acclaim and Recognition." If you've been reading the New York Times' reviews of late, you'll see there's a recent deepening of understanding by mainstream American dance critics about the art of Odissi dance. I've been building up some links relevant to this topic, so the sub-section will consist primarily of references to notable dance critics' reviews of Odissi exponents (including well-known and emerging artists), and will also include some narrative, so that it doesn't simply read like a listing of reviews or promotion of any particular artist. My aim is to show, with this section, that in the last 10-15 years, there's been first an awareness, then an established appreciation for our beloved dance form.

The additions I've made thus far have been erased, I've noticed - perhaps inadvertently. Just letting everyone know so that this section remains intact, as it will take some time to piece together a full narrative. I hope you enjoy reading about the appreciate that Odissi is gaining particularly in the U.S. of late - I know I'm excited to be reading about it in the press; when I was growing up in the U.S., everyone thought Odissi was a Greek epic, not a dance form - and you were lucky to see a performance, let alone be able take classes. It's a privilege to do both in the US these days.

Marginfades (talk) 03:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Marginfades,

Thanks for deciding to contribute to this article and try to make it a more comprehensive piece. I appreciate your sentiment and can infer that you intend to list out the appreciate reviews on this beautiful dance form. And also on a side note, thank you for bringing out the name of “Shipra Avantica Mehrotra” and she deserves to be there.

Unfortunately, I had to revert your contributions, for having this information on this general article would not make much sense and these citations are better brought forward in the artistes own webpages. The two reverts I had to do were of the aforementioned reason and also the contents on both the occasions were similar (possibly because they were in WIP state). I would suggest that they be listed on the artistes web page or wiki page. I would suggest to please refer the flow in the pages of Bharata Natyam or Kathak, both of which are very popular among the Indian diaspora in US. The depth of content listed there is not where this Odissi page is in, however I feel that Odissi page can be improved further, more specifically in the "Costume and Jewelry" section. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 19:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Karan - it's more than the reviews; I'd like to contribute something that distinguishes this Odissi entry from the ones for the dance styles you linked to (which are rates as "High" - Odissi is still listed at "stub" level, in spite of your and other editors' hard work). I really don't have anything to contribute to the Costume and Jewelry section, unfortunately. If I add them back in, would you mind terribly leaving the links and narrative intact until I have the chance to finish them? Odissi's emergence in Europe, Southeast Asia, and the U.S. deserves recognition, and writing about this can distinguish Odissi from other classical Indian dance forms at least here on Wikipedia. I had started with the noteworthy mentions in the U.S. press by dance critics; even covering Odissi around the world, the sub-heading really doesn't merit creating a new Wikipedia page for just that purpose, though I'm perfectly happy to do so if you believe it doesn't fit under this primary entry. That's certainly an idea, if you think the flow is best kept in parallel with Bharatnatyam and Kathak's entries. Marginfades (talk) 07:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Marginfades,

Thanks for your response. W.R.T. articles being rated as "High" or listed as a "stub" level is all a basis of classification that has happened over last few months, where articles related to state of Orissa get classified depending on their significance (there is a separate team which has browsed thru all the topics), and for rating there have been discussions about "Odissi" page if it should be left as "Odissi" or named as "Orissi" or "Odissi Dance" and page moves have happened which also impacts the ratings. These ratings are not a result of ambiguity of content or lack of verified material.

I did read about the content you had contributed and they were appreciative reviews on Guru Kelucharan Mohapatra and Shipra Avantica Mehrotra. When I suggested that they would be better placed in the artiste wiki page or their own webpages, I meant not creating a new Wikipedia page for that purpose. The review for Guru Kelucharan Mohapatra can be placed in the article on him on wiki and that would be a better place. Likewise there is no page for Shipra Avantica Mehrotra, and we can take the initiative of creating a page on her and listing out her achievements, perf. details and so on.

I can understand your intention of giving due recognition to this dance form and this is commendable. However, this will inordinately lengthen the article, without giving any more factual information about this dance form. Also, this would signify a trend and other contributors would want to list out the achievements listed in UK, Australia, Malaysia, Germany, Japan and so on, for so many other distinguished gurus. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 22:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Karan, that makes sense - though there are quite a few individual dancers and troupes that have been reviewed, and not all of them have individual pages on Wikipedia (nor do I know much about all of them). I suppose I could start with the artists that do have Wikipedia pages and that I do know a little about, such as the ones you mentioned (everyone knows Guru Kelucharan Mahapatra, and I'm getting to know more about Shipra Avantica Mehrotra.) Marginfades (talk) 02:35, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding Marginfades. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Western Orissa

Hi Denisarona, I saw that you had removed the names of people citing the reason that no articles are present. Some of these people are highly recognized civilians by the Govt. of India. You might raise a concern about Avinash Patra, Sr., however he is a young person from Orissa who was invited to Prince William's wedding, certainly not an ordinary event. No articles are presently there but people in future may want to contribute towards it and this can be an anchor. Thanks. Karan1974 (talk) 09:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I've responded on your talk page. Denisarona (talk) 13:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I have no problem with leaving the particular names on the list but they don't appear to comply with WP:Notability (people) - unsourced and certainly unreferenced?? Regards. Denisarona (talk) 13:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Denisarona, I have extracted the content that I had posted on your talk page over here so that I have all the pertaining discussions on a single page. This works better for me :) Thanks for agreeing to let these contributions remain and also providing the link about the "Notability (people)". I have gone thru them and wanted to let you know that some of the persons fall into the criteria of "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" i.e. Padmashree, and one person falls into the criteria of "People notable for only one event".

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References to prove notability

Links to other wikipedia articles cannot be used as references in any article. If we allowed this, something could be added to article A and referenced in article B. When challenged, the reference to article A could be pointed to. This is obviously unworkable as huge swaths of content could be added without being sourced to any kind of valid references. References to external reliable sources can be added beside each name. Do you know how to do this? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

See, for example, List of people from Wichita, Kansas. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes, even cases with their own wikipedia page should have citations also (should be easily done if their own page has the required 2+ citations). It's just that such a listing is much more likely to be tagged with {{citation needed}} than it is to be immediately deleted. Allens (talk | contribs) 23:29, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks NeilN and Allens. This certainly helps and I will adhere to this guideline. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 23:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Nice job adding the refs! --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:25, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you NeilN :) Took some time, but all well worth it. I must commend user Allens for taking the pains of formatting them properly and making the reference section presentable. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 05:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Please comment at Talk:Dhenkanal, India. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Mgsports

Probably not the best response here. The idea is to keep your cool and not inflame the situation. I know it's hard to do when you're being attacked but if Mgsports decides to respond in kind and worsens the issue then both of you could have your edits examined. My advice: focus on the edits, not the editor. If only one party continues to attack then they'll wear out their welcome on Wikipedia soon enough. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

You are right NeilN, I should have exercised restraint here. I tried very hard to control myself and pondered about it a lot if I should be letting this instance go, but it was an effort to belittle the people (I have few contributions to my credit but other editors including you, are very passionate, contributing thousands of hours and that's commendable) who spend their personal time to contribute to an store house of information. I will try to do better the next time around..--Karan1974 (talk) 22:17, 9 May 2012‎ (UTC)

Karan, there is something IMPORTANT. 1.Justice Gati Krushna Mishra, 2. Justice Amiya Kumari Padhee(lady) and 3. Justice D.N. Patnaik are NOTABLE PEOPLE OF DHENKANAL. Please enter their names. I donot know how to show that they were in Orissa High Court. I find D. N. Patnaik has not been shown as a Justice. Pl take necessary steps. I still donot agree that Nandini belongs to Dhenkanal. I know that you are angry on that issue. Love.Mgsports (talk) 10:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

User Mgsports: I am not sure what makes you not agree to the facts even after going thru all the references I have provided to that effect. You on the other hand have not provided any information to justify your points apart from "I know" or "I don't agree". The place of birth discussion is even more interesting; all the references available on the internet point to Cuttack, but you state that she was born in or near Puri, and don't have anything to show for that. It seems you are talking about some other Ms. Nandini Satapathy who would have been born in or near Puri and NOT Ms. Nandini Satapathy, the ex-chief minister of Orissa. Any further discussion on this is fruitless. This matter is CLOSED.

I am not able to see the name of "Gati Krushna Mishra" or "Jaya Krushna Mishra" at this [1] provided by you. I see the names of the two other persons you mentioned (some typos in names you have provided but nonetheless similar i.e. Amiya Kumari Padhee is actually Amiya Kumari Padhi, Kunja Bihari Panda is actually Kunja Behari Panda). Apart from being listed as judge of Orissa High Court, I don't find any references that they were from Dhenkanal ("city" I presume). Please elaborate. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 03:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

• • Please come to Dhenkanal Page, where I have said something about the Chief Justice and the HCJudges....Mgsports (talk) 11:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I have visited the page and thanks for the clarification.--Karan1974 (talk) 06:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Dhenkanal district

This doesn't tell anyone why you reverted the edits. I've reverted back as they looked to improve the article. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi NeilN, You are right. I have made a mistake here. Was browsing the wiki thru my smartphone and the first line that struck we me was the change of "Orissa" to "Odisha" i.e. name of the state, and I presumed it is the same change that had been done countless times. I should have done a good job of going thru the complete change set. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for this notification. The edits were to remove the extensive changes that were done on the article just to illustrate a person's PoV. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 16:41, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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As you have the highest number of edits for the page Bhubaneswar, I thought of notifying you that I have planned for a large-scale cleanup of the article and further development of the article. It would be great if you would like to contribute or help in editing the article. Thanks Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 09:32, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Amartya, for your contributions and they are pretty substantial. I certainly appreciate the effort you are putting to make this article better. I know that this clean-up was long overdue, but I could not garner a bunch of my time to do this, but I am very happy to see that you have stepped up to address this. Thank you for your effort and time. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Northern India, India

The sentence makes no sense what's so ever when the origin of Kathak in ancient Northern India is already mentioned in the same sentence.

"Kathak (Hindi: कथक) is one of the eight forms of Indian classical dances, originated from Northern India, India. This dance form traces its origins to the nomadic bards of ancient northern India"

Originated from "Northern India, India" should be simplified to India as the sentence already mentions the dance form tracing to Ancient Nothern India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.216.153.66 (talk) 03:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

The modification you have suggested does make sense, and I would agree with it. Thanks for bringing this up. --Karan1974 (talk) 05:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi SpacemanSpiff,

Thank you for your intervention. And yes, your observation is correct. Unfortunately I did get involved in the edit war, though that is not what I wanted. It all started a few days back when another user "Gadurr" started asking for citations concerning Sangeet Natak Akademi (SNA) regarding a statement that was in the article as to where it is stated that SNA recognizes 8 classical dance forms. It was logical that we provide the appropriate citation to address that and I provided the apt link where all the recognized forms were listed and removed the citation section. However the concerned user was not satisfied even after providing the actual page from the SNA website and time & again insisted on putting the same citation back.

The discussion was about a very trivial stuff of where it is written that there are 8 recognized classical dance forms listed on the Sangeet Natak Akademi website. I suggested that one can count the listings as provided at their official site (the direct web link of that were provided multiple times on the edit summary). I did try a few times suggesting the person to discuss this over the article talk page as to why the count of dance forms is being questioned but it never happened. So finally, I extracted the contents from the page and put that on the article talk page. This infact happened on two articles i.e. Indian Classical Dance and the Sangeet Natak Akademi.

Then, I observed that the edits from user "Gadurr" had stopped yesterday and a new user "Rogblr" started making drastic edits. I initially thought that this is a new user and trying to put forth an objective view point and contribute meaningfully. I tried to partner with the user and reviewed the edits so that it looked presentable. But, when I revisited the article later, I saw that the image sizes had been undone so I asked the reason for this change on the users talk page and gave my thoughts that resizing the images made the page less presentable, but then I got a seemingly "official warning" of "... appropriate corrective actions and punitive steps, including reporting to the concerned Wiki authority...." . Thereafter I observed that most of the content is copied blatantly for another website, so I tried to modify it so we don't run into the issue of copyright violation.

If you may please observe, the updates I had done on the page was to remove the confusion for users and have this info on this single page about which dance form is recognized by SNA and Ministry of Culture, India. I collated the information and updated the table stating that, but seems this was unacceptable. I only wanted to list factual information which can be verifiable.

As the action from the both the users "Gadurr" and "Rogblr" are kind of similar, I suspect sock-puppetry here. Can I request your help to please check it out. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 17:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

These are things you should discuss at the talk page of the article (I know you started a discussion, but that didn't seem to stop you from continuing to revert). If the other party doesn't respond, I'd suggest WP:3O as a first step. An alternative is also to post at WT:INB seeking the involvement of editors with knowledge of this topic (as this is a topic under WP India) -- in this case I posted there when I noticed the edit war. Invariably one of those is bound to work. As is mentioned in the note above, being right does not validate edit warring and you could have already been blocked for your actions if someone had reported you to WP:AN3. Some of the things you were edit warring over were minor issues and it shouldn't matter if they stayed in the article for a couple of days; of course your cited reversion of copyvio (mutliple times) was perfectly valid. I doubt it's sockpuppetry, more like meatpuppetry. If you follow the above steps it is very likely that the issues will be resolved without you having to edit war etc. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions SpacemanSpiff. Totally appreciate that :) Yup, you are right... it does seem more like meatpuppetry. Kudos on the tough role you are playing. Thanks again. ciao. --Karan1974 (talk) 06:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Yes, that's a honest mistake... It has been addressed. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks Dougweller, that's nice... I did check his other edits. Some factual contribution and more on the extraneous links...--Karan1974 (talk) 03:34, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Dhenkanal, India shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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Hi NeilN: Yes, unfortunately I am in that position right now... Let me put this on the article talk page. The edits seem to come from different ips so there was no use putting that on the talk page. Also not sure on how to get the temporary protection. Any help on this is appreciated. Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm preparing an WP:ANI report now on the IP. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editor_socking.2C_edit-warring_to_add_himself_to_articles. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:14, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks NeilN for your help. Much appreciated. Thanks again, --Karan1974 (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Karan ...Nice to know your good works in Wikipedia.

Some of My well wisher have posted about myself in Dhenkanal, India & Dhenkanal District, Kamakhyanagar & Bhuban. Later also I have joined myself in the process. But, however, those listing were deleted on the ground that there is a promotion regarding my Profession. For your kind information, I don't want to highlight my CA activities. But, however, besides my Chartered Accountancy, am also elected twice in ICAI Bhubaneswar Managing Committee which is having 800 Members & 5000 Students. We do some social activities under the banner of Bharat Nirman Foundation where i am the Chairman & Managing Trustee. We do Policy Advocacy in Dhenkanal for infrastructure development like National Highway, Railway Project, Industrialisation etc & all round development of Dhenkanal under the banner of Dhenkanal Development Council. We also debate on issues like Odisha Budget & take part in making people aware about different aspects of it & assist Government in suitable Policy making for the overall improvement of the State in the banner of Odisha Development Council where i happen to be a Convenor.

This time i have also applied for an BJD ticket for Kamakhyanagar MLA Constituency but out of 100 applicant i was shortlisted among final Three. Being a Chartered Accountant, it is also my passion to keep in touch with my people of my own area to do best for them.

We are also planning to conduct several new initiative in near future.

But, however, it gives me a utter pain to know the way in which you have put a conclusion about me.

My activity of the above kind are not meant just to put my name in Wikipedia but for a greater cause of Society. You can understand the difficulties of mobilising mass people for a greater cause & for that we encourage people through different means & motivate them. Can't the Wikipedia, based on facts & circumstances, do the same & empower the People who take the pain for a greater cause.

Wish you all the best. (I will be glad if you a do a little more research about my activities)

Thanking you (RAJA NARAYAN TRIPATHY 15:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC))

Hi Raja, Thank you. We hear your thoughts which you have put forth and appreciate the noble causes you and your organization are associated with, but please understand that wiki is not a platform for promotion or mobilization. We did do our due diligence based on the links that was provided in the articles and independent searches across various search engines to arrive at factual information, and we are not able to ascertain any other information apart from what you are stating here. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 23:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks user Adann52 and unfortunately I am in that situation... I have tried to bring the discussion over to the user talk page... but it is not helping... Thanks...--Karan1974 (talk) 20:29, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

And one more thing... there is another user named Gurunatha, whose editing pattern and language is pretty consistent with what we are seeing with user Gaganra, hence I suspect sock puppetry over here... Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 20:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Just for keeping a perspective on the discussion with user "Gurunatha and user "Gaganra" & historical info... http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Gurunatha/Archive.--Karan1974 (talk) 21:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Rourkela/Raurkela

see Talk:Rourkela#Article name. Frietjes (talk) 14:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks... responding on the talk page. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 17:47, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Annoying IP

Hello, I have noticed that, you have undid the edit done by the IP in Odissi but the same IP is keep on removing the FP and adding another picture to the article, please guide me how to stop it.

Hope you will help me to stop the IP's improper edits.

Bellus Delphina ^talk 19:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi user Bellus Delphina, that's true that I had reverted the edit and I had observed that you had also helped in doing the same. Thanks for doing that. We would need to watch for the changes and possibly engage the user via the user's talk page or the article's talk page. If we are not able to reach a consensus we may have to bring this to the attention of admins to protect the page http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy. Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure will keep watching and if needed will report that IP.

Thanks

Bellus Delphina ^talk 03:47, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for being a good citizen. Much appreciated. I had reverted one more edit from that ip. Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 04:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Karan1974,

Due to the repeated annoying edits by the IP in Odissi, I have requested my friend to help me out and he made the article semi protected. Thanks for your supports & helps and keep going in wiki.

Bellus Delphina ^talk 03:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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Fixed it. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Why?

please explain your revert. Thanks, 71.87.23.22 (talk) 19:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I felt that stating India was redundant, hence... Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 05:06, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Removing references of Amish Tripathi

Why this? If there is a problem with the reference news source's format, you can update it. As of now I have undid it. More references are good. Please look into it. Msec109 (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

B'cos there is an inter-wiki link pointing to the article which has the primary source of references and that's why. Thanks --Karan1974 (talk) 18:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Fixed it. Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 02:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Oriya to Odia name change reversal

Hi Karan. I just opened a new account with Wikipedia account today. So, excuse me if I don't understand the working on Wikipedia clearly. But I am really confused why you reverted back when I edited Oriya to Odia. One other user who also reverted some of the other changes for this had posted a message saying as this was done as per [[2]]. Will you do me a favor and explain what that exactly means? Being a regular Odia, I know in the language was never pronounced "Oriya" and hence the name change to "Odia" was a welcome change. After the name change, the new name has been readily accepted across the board by the general public as well as for new publications of books, magazines or newspapers. If I gauge that against the sentence "find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals and major news sources)", the new name seems to be meet the criteria. A quick google search for "Odia" returned me 79.4 MM results while "Oriya" returned 11.5 MM results. Can you please let me know the compelling reason to retain an incorrect name and there by contribute to spread of mis-information to folks who come across it on the Wiki sites and are not familiar with the language?

Also, I am not sure why we have oṛiā next to ଓଡ଼ିଆ. That is not how it translates. And the phonetic representation is mentioned correctly as oːɖiaː which is not what "Oriya" is conveying to a non-native.

Will appreciate a response on this. Thanks. - Remoonline (talk) 22:58, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Remoonline,

I do understand your sentiments... This has been a point of debate for a long time since the name of the language has officially been changed. Google search is one aspect, when lot of publications or articles prior to advent of internet never made it to the web... but at least the changes are happening since 2000's, thanks to lot of publications or articles getting pushed to the web... hence the skewed results on any search engines. Wiki does not go by the democratic consensus and there is merit towards that which we should respect... As far as I can remember from the time of Britishers till the day it got officially changed (a few years back) it has been the "old" way of spelling it and time does have it's relevance. I will suggest that you please look at the "Talk" page and come to a determination. If you are still not convinced, I will suggest that you can re-open the discussion. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 01:15, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your edit

Hi , I did not understand your revert of my edit. The sentence doesn't cite any reference and the name of Odisha was name after "Oda Kalinga" which is a Odia/Prakrit word and not from the Sanskrit "Udra Vibhasha". --Psubhashish (talk) 12:07, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Psubhashish, I had to revert your edit because you removed the following text "The term "Odisha" is derived from the ancient Sanskrit term Odra Desa or Odra Vishaya (lit. land of the Odra).", and I did not see anything factual behind the edit nor any comments as to why somebody would delete it. Now, I do see that you have got meaningful context and references which are valid. Thanks for your effort in improving the article. Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 17:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Undoing edit is against the open source like wikipedia

only big contribution can't be consider.small small contribution can make a big change.only big name will be known to everybody and others will be kept in shadow.I will never tolerate such immaturity. Also i demand wiki is an open source information system.I am doing such things because i hav a noble cause to promote those who are not finding any platform to promote themself.And as a authorized member of wiki,i hav that right to take evolutionry step to promote those thing which are not coming in front of man's eye.

Subhankar Satapathy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sub3639 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Subhankar Satapathy(user: Sub3639), certainly appreciate the noble cause. There is nothing called "demand" here based on the argument of open-source, when only the factual information should be represented here. However, you are mistaken on two aspects. First, undoing changes as long as they are not verifiable is perfectly valid and I can counteract your point on this. Second, this is a not a promotional platform. Just because of the to and fro communications, you just increased the scope of the work needed to list the people who are already established, behind your zeal of promoting an artist. Thanks, --Karan1974 (talk) 19:23, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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