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Have a second look
I've removed nearly all the crap from Natural breast enhancement, and replaced it with reliable sources with significant coverage. Can you have a second look at the AfD, to either confirm your choice, or change your mind. IRWolfie- (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Glad to see you're still here
Someone's gotta put up the fight. polarscribe (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- Nice to see you around, too. I hope it's not a fight, just a determined and forceful upholdikng of neutrality in the face of determined activism by true believers. Guy (Help!) 11:11, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Guy, would you be able to tell me what to do with regards to referencing materials that aren't available online, for example text books, lecture notes etc?
Also, there doesn't seem to be much input on the CFS talk page. Once I have the answer to the above do you suggest I go ahead and try an edit or put it on the talk page first? Thanks in advance. Richio76 (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- You can go direct to JFWolff's talk page to discuss, if you like. To reference a print source you just give the full reference in the ref tags, without the square bracketed link, e.g. <ref>The effect of my being right on your being wrong, a meta analysis; me, International Journal of Because I Said So, vol 7 no. 3 (June 2011) p. 44</ref> or some such. As long as the reference is reliable and verifiable then it does not need to be online, and if its a journal there are several editors who have either Athens or full Medline access. Guy (Help!) 18:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Guy. I'm still on this. Richio76 (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Circular references
I recently posted a question at the village pump[1] concerning some of your references, which I believe to be essentially circular: [2][3] What came through strongly in the views expressed was that, at the very least, you should expand those references to include specific pages or chapter citations, rather than simply quoting book titles and author names. I do hope that you care enough about the need for accuracy on WP to add these citations promptly. Thanks in advance. Vitaminman (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- But they are not circular, and a discussion framed by you and without notifying me at all is unlikely to adequately the perspective of the reality-based community. Guy (Help!) 22:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- Erm, "unlikely to adequately the perspective of the reality-based community"?? To address your accusation, I'm not framing anything. I simply asked a question to the folks across at the Village Pump Policy Page who know about these things. Notably, therefore, their responses were neither negative nor unfriendly. Moreover, I had also placed a note on the Vitamin C Megadose talk page as I knew it was on your watchlist.[4] Am I therefore right in understanding that you're refusing to add page and chapter citations? If so, have you actually read the books? Vitaminman (talk) 11:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, you were framing something, and it is acutely bad form to start a debate about someone's edits without letting them know. My watchlist contains tens of thousands of pages, I have been an admin here for some years. You also forgot to mention that you are an agenda account, which also informs the debate. Guy (Help!) 21:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
- With respect, rather than throwing accusations around, I would politely suggest that you could perhaps do with re-reading WP:AGF. In any case, to take your points, I wasn't starting a debate and was simply asking for advice. Meantime, in the continued absence of your adding page and chapter citations, anyone reading this could arguably be forgiven for thinking that you haven't actually read the books. As regards your absurd claim that I am pursuing some sort of "agenda", I've been hanging around here for six years now. If you'd bothered to study my edit history over the years you'd have seen that it includes all sorts of articles, some of which I initiated myself, e.g.:[5] And as for your pushing your admin status and number of edits, these are irrelevant to the issue at hand; as I'm sure you already know: WP:MOREX Vitaminman (talk) 09:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- With respect, rather than telling a long-time admin to assume good faith while failing to do so yourself, you should consider going away and taking your quack agenda with you. I really don't like single purpose accounts, and single purpose accounts promoting quackery are the ones I like least. Guy (Help!) 11:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but you're wrong there as well. If you'd bothered to look, you'd have seen that my account is clearly not single purpose. Fyi, here a few of the non alt. med. articles I've contributed to over the years: Ron Roddan (which I initiated), Dandy Sakano, Bob Beamon, Albert Stubblebine, L'Oréal, Rachel Christie, Campodimele, Research into centenarians (which I also initiated), Duane Graveline, Scott Karl, The Professionals (TV series), 1983 Texas Rangers season, Siderka, Gunther von Hagens, Schengen Information System, Supercentenarian, New England Centenarian Study, Centenarian, Okinawa Centenarian Study, Virtue, Swimming at the 1997 European Aquatics Championships – Men's 50 metre freestyle, Richard Yates (19th century politician), Concordia College (New York), Conway Lake, Clarence Thomas, Redbird Arena, Super Bowl, Richard Burford, Moses Macdonald, Longevity, Bruce Grobbelaar, Charles Hardnett, Berkley Bedell, African American, Alyce Platt, Samuel Alito, Afterlife, Andreas Kontogouris, White House, President of the United States, Anthony Kennedy, Dixon v. United States, Redbird Arena, H (TV series), Yunokuni no mori, Miyako Ishiuchi, President's College, Ubii, Flat Earth. In addition to adding text and citations, I have helped the project by correcting spelling errors and removing vandalism. I intend to continue, too. Vitaminman (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- Fine, just as long as you don't promote vitamin quackery and resist perfectly good sources that criticise it. Guy (Help!) 15:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but you're wrong there as well. If you'd bothered to look, you'd have seen that my account is clearly not single purpose. Fyi, here a few of the non alt. med. articles I've contributed to over the years: Ron Roddan (which I initiated), Dandy Sakano, Bob Beamon, Albert Stubblebine, L'Oréal, Rachel Christie, Campodimele, Research into centenarians (which I also initiated), Duane Graveline, Scott Karl, The Professionals (TV series), 1983 Texas Rangers season, Siderka, Gunther von Hagens, Schengen Information System, Supercentenarian, New England Centenarian Study, Centenarian, Okinawa Centenarian Study, Virtue, Swimming at the 1997 European Aquatics Championships – Men's 50 metre freestyle, Richard Yates (19th century politician), Concordia College (New York), Conway Lake, Clarence Thomas, Redbird Arena, Super Bowl, Richard Burford, Moses Macdonald, Longevity, Bruce Grobbelaar, Charles Hardnett, Berkley Bedell, African American, Alyce Platt, Samuel Alito, Afterlife, Andreas Kontogouris, White House, President of the United States, Anthony Kennedy, Dixon v. United States, Redbird Arena, H (TV series), Yunokuni no mori, Miyako Ishiuchi, President's College, Ubii, Flat Earth. In addition to adding text and citations, I have helped the project by correcting spelling errors and removing vandalism. I intend to continue, too. Vitaminman (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- With respect, rather than telling a long-time admin to assume good faith while failing to do so yourself, you should consider going away and taking your quack agenda with you. I really don't like single purpose accounts, and single purpose accounts promoting quackery are the ones I like least. Guy (Help!) 11:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- With respect, rather than throwing accusations around, I would politely suggest that you could perhaps do with re-reading WP:AGF. In any case, to take your points, I wasn't starting a debate and was simply asking for advice. Meantime, in the continued absence of your adding page and chapter citations, anyone reading this could arguably be forgiven for thinking that you haven't actually read the books. As regards your absurd claim that I am pursuing some sort of "agenda", I've been hanging around here for six years now. If you'd bothered to study my edit history over the years you'd have seen that it includes all sorts of articles, some of which I initiated myself, e.g.:[5] And as for your pushing your admin status and number of edits, these are irrelevant to the issue at hand; as I'm sure you already know: WP:MOREX Vitaminman (talk) 09:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, you were framing something, and it is acutely bad form to start a debate about someone's edits without letting them know. My watchlist contains tens of thousands of pages, I have been an admin here for some years. You also forgot to mention that you are an agenda account, which also informs the debate. Guy (Help!) 21:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
- Erm, "unlikely to adequately the perspective of the reality-based community"?? To address your accusation, I'm not framing anything. I simply asked a question to the folks across at the Village Pump Policy Page who know about these things. Notably, therefore, their responses were neither negative nor unfriendly. Moreover, I had also placed a note on the Vitamin C Megadose talk page as I knew it was on your watchlist.[4] Am I therefore right in understanding that you're refusing to add page and chapter citations? If so, have you actually read the books? Vitaminman (talk) 11:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)