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May I ask for your assistance

Hi,

Are you still interested in the idea of at least some non-admins being able to view deleted pages? I understand that the proposal was shot down previously by foundation counsel; however I believe I have at least two possible answers to their concerns.

One possibility is to make this prospective (apparently the antonynm of retrospective although I'm not so sure) - that is to say that only edits deleted after its implementation can be viewed. For revisions such as libelous edits or copyright violations and so on, there can be a hard delete, lying some way between this soft delete and oversight, which will function just like a present deletion. Admins could also have the power to toggle a deletion from hard to soft (or to undelete) - so selected deletions made before this feature is implemented could be made soft.

The second possibility is to introduce a procedure somewhat like RFA where users are given permission to view deleted edits by the community. As admin privileges are currently granted not just based on trust in general, but also on trust that the tools will be used appropriately, there is a much greater pool of users who would be eligible to be given this permission.

And of course, it is perfectly possible to use both of these systems at once.

I have cross posted this to a few users who were active in the discussion in 2008 - I don't feel this is a violation of CANVASS because I have not made the proposal myself - the reality is I need an experienced Wikipedia with some "street cred" to make it. I already attempted to steer a discussion of a similar proposal this way, but sadly that discussion is irretrievable (see here - or even better, don't!). Because I have posted this to a few users, I would be greatful if you would reply at User_talk:Egg Centric/Proposal and perhaps we can get a discussion going!

Thank you!

Egg Centric 22:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

P.S. - silly me, I forgot to link to the original discussion in 2008. Here it is: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Persistent_proposals/Straw_poll_for_view-deleted

Ben Breedlove

Apologies if I sound a little hasty in my edit summary, here, a little late for me here :) that's all. Anyway the external links provided are either related to his death - or his 3 YouTube accounts which relate to his Internet Personality status. Regards, -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 12:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks to me like WP:LINKFARM and WP:LTA. Guy (Help!) 12:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- True! Sorry again. I swear I'm half asleep - they should have a curfew on Wikipedia - well at least for the editors who obviously don't work well when they're sleepy, being me, myself and I. Thank you, and sorry for the trouble, -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 12:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

You're me, you are :o) Guy (Help!) 14:21, 8 January 2012 (UTC)