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Greetings

Hi, Jim:

I doubt you remember me, but you helped once or twice in the past with a new article (though I forget which). How are you?

Thank you for your compliments on my Catalinas Norte expansion, and above all, for adding it to our growing collection of Spanish-language, Argentine-related pages on the English Wikipedia. I had meant to do it over a year ago, but you know how it is: time constraints get in the way, and a lot of little ideas end up forgotten (I don't know why I don't write them down). Having to fend off troublemakers in need of a life (and, consequently, with nothing better to do than disrupt us all), as I've been doing for about a week now, certainly doesn't help.

I'll be happy to add pages for some of the more notable buildings in Catalinas Norte. You may notice that I left a red-link for Bouchard Plaza (my favorite), and I don't see why I can't add a few of the others. The Sheraton, for example, was an excellent idea, since the "Hotels in Argentina" category is terribly incomplete. Having said that, I'll admit that my first impulse was to keep most of these as part of the Catalinas page by way of covering them with an umbrella article of sorts, since but for a couple of exceptions, these 30-odd story curtain walled buildings are very ordinary. And there is so much noteworthy architecture in Buenos Aires waiting to be translated from the es wiki.

A good place to start looking, if you're curious about Buenos Aires architecture or would like to add to the English-language list thereof, is in the Spanish-language counterpart to the Buildings and structures in Buenos Aires cat. The city can't hold a candle to London, Paris, or New York, but there are certainly a lot of unnoticed gems. A friend of mine from elsewhere in Latin America once told me, after visiting, that it felt like touring an outdoor museum (well, on a quiet summer Sunday, and sans the billboards).

Again, Jim, thanks for your note. Let me know what you think.

All the best, Sherlock4000 (talk) 18:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Retiring from Wikipedia

I wanted to let you know that I am retiring from Wikipedia effective this weekend. This is not to policy, other users, or Wikipedia itself. My priorities have changed in the fact I am engaged to be married later this year along with a job-related exam this October.

I wish to thank you for working with me on various issues in Wikipedia. Chris (talk) 14:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I did not respond to you sooner on this, but I plan on being done with this either today or tomorrow. Thank you for asking. Chris (talk) 17:23, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Lenox Square/GA1

Review started. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI, there's a question waiting. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 03:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

PalaLottomatica

Hello Jim, I added the description of some events in the article (here). Could you please check for my English? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 13:26, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Post Scriptum : Needless to say I added also references :-)

About my new draft

Hi. I intend to incorporate the Liberty Place article by merging One and Two Liberty Place articles into Liberty Place. It is not ready yet though. There is still some missing information that I will hopefully get done soon. Then I'll get the information on the "live" article. Medvedenko (talk) 16:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Serial commas

Hey Jim. Another reason for using serial commas is that they eliminate confusion. Take the sentence "The government must provide roads, airports, hospitals and harbors." Courts have held that in construing the meaning of that sentence, the final phrase "hospitals and harbors" is a single term. In order to avoid such construction, a serial comma is used to clearly indicate that the two terms are distinct. I did not use serial commas for years because I believed they are unnecessary. But I started using them, convinced by the legal reasoning about clarity. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Oxford commas

My hero. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Candi Milo was not born 1966, or 1954

Saw you wrote on her talk page that she was born in 1954 and later agreed with another editor that she was actually born in 1966. One of the many things that makes wikipedia unreliable is that rarely do people use sources like articles or interviews as sources, instead they use their own imagination. In every interview from newspaper articles to Rob Paulsen's Talkin Toons' podcast Candi Milo said that her birthdate is 9 January 1961. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radiohist (talk • contribs) 22:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Barra da Tijuca

This page is still in need of serious cleanup. I took a bit of a crack at it but the cracks are deeper than my copy-edit caulk's ability. Are you still up to fixing it?Anon423 (talk) 06:07, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Follow-up from "article translation deal"

Haha, I don't remember us making any kind of deal... But well, I'm translating other articles right now, so this one will have to wait a little. In the meantime, why don't you leave a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Brazil, requesting help from more people? Victão Lopes ^{I hear you...} 02:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:MOS

Hi. I have noticed you making some stylistic changes to articles that do not conform to the WP:MOS. Please review the MOS regarding punctuation inside or outside quotes. In Wikipedia, generally, the punctuation goes outside the end quote, unless it is inside in the source being quoted. Also, many editors do not prefer the serial comma (which is optional), so please do not add it to articles unless the regular editors of the article don't mind. In general, the MOS says ["defer to the style used by the first major contributor" unless a consensus can be reached to the contrary]. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 4:43 pm, 4 August 2011, Thursday (1 year, 6 months, 30 days ago) (UTC−4)

I prefer the serial comma, and recommend it, because if there is a list of three or more items, and the serial/Oxford comma is excluded, then the arrangement will look awkward, and certain parts of articles aren't supposed to look awkward, so the serial comma should not be optional, and because of this, I don't have a choice. If a serial comma is inserted, and it is reverted, then an edit war will start. Also, a period or comma can go outside the end quote except when the quote is a full sentence. Jim856796 (talk) 4:55 pm, 4 August 2011, Thursday (1 year, 6 months, 30 days ago) (UTC−4)

I disagree that it looks awkward. To me it looks cleaner, and the extra comma looks cluttered. If you have started an article, I will not remove the serial comma. If I have started an article, you should not insert it. Do not edit war. -- Ssilvers (talk) 5:01 pm, 4 August 2011, Thursday (1 year, 6 months, 30 days ago) (UTC−4)

We've gone through this before. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Boutique Monaco

Hi, I saw this edit of yours: [1]. "Winner" is clearly wrong as can be seen here: [2]. Care to explain? Srezz (talk) 11:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Actually, on the article, I just changed the word "winner" to "recipient". Is that okay with you, sir? Jim856796 (talk) 11:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

The use of the word "sister" when referring to properties of the same entity

Using sister to refer to related properties is common usage. Why does it have to be gender neutral? This is common English. I suppose you will want to change the Mother Road to something else also. There is no need to change what is correct because of PC or something related. Vegaswikian (talk) 15:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Introduction and Ask for Help

Hi Jim -- I posted this message to the Populous (Company) page a while back. Any chance you might be able to assist?

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Ways to improve Tribunal de Paris

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Can you please respond to the above? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 10:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Can you please respond? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 21:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Jim, WIkipedia is a collaborative project and WP:Communication is required - can you please respond to my messages? Boleyn (talk) 17:28, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

4 messages and 5 months - again, communication is required. As it is not ready for the mainspace, you won't communicate with me despite extensive attempts, it is not moved to draftspace where you can work on it and submit via WP:AFC. Boleyn (talk) 13:10, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

March 2019

Jim856796 I am writing you to inform you that you recent changes to Major film studio hace been undone. 20th Century Fox will only be banner not a stuido per Disney. Please dont change this information in the chart. Any future attempts to do so will be considered vandalism.DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast (talk) 23:20, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism? The reason I made that change is because the potential for edit warring is what you should be worried about. Jim856796 (talk) 15:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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Fran Drescher

Fran Drescher's legs were the only attraction of the "Nanny" show. At least for thinking men. And to describe them as long is polite for skirts barely covering the southern hairline. Cheers, Oalexander (talk) 06:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Oalexander: Oh, I apologize. I reverted that "long legs" remark because it was a nonsense edit. Other individuals have longer legs than Fran Drescher's, but said legs don't get mention on their articles. Jim856796 (talk) 04:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Wording

MOS:STYLEVAR states that "[E]nforcing optional style in a bot-like fashion without prior consensus, is never acceptable." It's quite telling that you only target the articles I successfully nominate for In the news Recent Deaths (i.e. George Armstrong (ice hockey), Sibusiso Moyo, Shingoose and now Thorburn). No one else's. Yet you don't contribute any content creation to these areas, other than your incessant nitpicking on one or two words (not to mention your misuse of the minor edit button). I'm not saying your apparent obsession and WP:WIKIHOUNDING over the articles I edit reaches the level of Wenger over Mourinho, but it's getting there … —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:52, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

You add 4 characters and mis-characterize that as a "simplification"? Wow, just wow. I'm not required "to accept such simplification" because it's not approved by consensus (you know, the way decisions on WP are primarily made). Show me an ITN that you've successfully promoted to the Main Page, then we'll talk. Until then, keep up with your obsession over my content creation – it's getting you nowhere. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:23, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bloom6132:, You have some explaining to do. Why do you insist on using the same "He/she was X" wording every time? I was trying to simplify the wording to make it look less blunt. These reversions tell me that you are trying to assert ownership of those pages.What excuses do you have? If another editor inserted this phrasing, and somebody else changed it to reduce bluntness, the editor who inserted it wouldn't care, but clearly you care. Jim856796 (talk) 04:16, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

You don't simplify by adding words. Your belief that my wording is "blunt" is purely subjective. Most sources use "He/she was X", so I see no problem in doing so too (here's ABC News and The New York Times, two of several recent examples I can provide). Each of the articles that you keep picking on have successfully went through the In The News process. Thus, consensus has established that those articles are at a quality that's good enough to appear on the Main Page. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bloom6132:In other words, you must want the wording to look like a direct copy-paste from a major news source. At least you didn't insert the words "years old" at the end of that phrasing. On the Peter Thoburn article, only my first edit there was a simplification. I did ask you to stop reverting several times, but you kept on reverting the simplifications/re-phrasings anyway, thereby putting yourself at risk of a 3RR violation. Lucky for me, I have already asked User:Julietdeltalima for a third opinion regarding this last weekend. Jim856796 (talk) 04:56, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:LIMITED applies here. So "a direct copy-paste from a major news source" in this case is permissible. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:54, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I already saw on Saturday that you were talking about me behind my back. Hence why I said you had an apparent obsession with my edits. Yes, lucky for you. Because a third opinion is just that. It cannot overrule consensus that's been established by the community. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bloom6132: Does this guideline/policy mean you're required to use the exact same wording every time? I don't think so. And how dare you use the word "obsession"? If anything's making this an "obsession", it's your continued reversion of any simplifications or re-wordings of any sentence containing the blunt/strict "He was X", and your insistence on continuing to do so. At least my changes didn't alter the meaning of those sentences too much. I don't know why an uninvolved editor would've told you to stop your reversions themselves by now. Jim856796 (talk) 02:06, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

"how dare you use the word "obsession" – well, I dared. The same way you dared to target only the articles I successfully nominate to ITNRD since last November. Three months of persistent targeting and nitpicking demonstrates that it is indeed an obsession and WP:WIKIHOUNDING. The policy I cited was used to refute your insidious insinuation that I committed WP:COPYVIO. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bloom6132: Wow, judging by the way you've been acting towards me in the past couple of weeks, it would take a whole lot of begging (whether by myself or some other editor) to get you to stop your reversions. Jim856796 (talk) 04:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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June 2024

Your recent editing history at Djamaa el Djazaïr shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Skitash (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Skitash How am I going to get blocked just for an expansion-translation effort that you're trying to hinder by reverting, especially if I've copied and pasted the same citations that were in the same section that I translated from the French counterpart article? Jim856796 (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Wikipedia:Third opinion. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. In an edit summary you noted that you, "already in danger of a possible block." Edit warring on a dispute resolution page is not going to make a block less likely, and you as an editor are in control of abstaining from behavior that will result in a block. VQuakr (talk) 16:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Declined Third Opinion Request

Hi Jim, I've declined your request for a third opinion as there are already more than two editors involved in the dispute. BoldGnome (talk) 06:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@BoldGnome: Well, where else can I request a fourth, or successive, opinion? The two editors I'm fighting with are just unhelpful. Jim856796 (talk) 16:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Despite my better judgment, the answer to your question is WP:RFC. But I can already tell you that it'll be a waste of everyone's time, including yours. You're better off taking the advice below. BoldGnome (talk) 00:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to take that kind of advice. All I want is a decent expansion-translation effort for this article, and it looks like it's becoming too much to ask. Jim856796 (talk) 03:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

My opinion

@Jim856796

Collapsing til discussion gets archived
Came from WP:3O took a brief stalk of the situation. My brief opinion: Drop idea of translating that article for a while, un til you calm down yourself.

Detail: You seem to be experienced user you would be already aware of most customs and culture at en Wikipedia. I suggest: Please try to ponder following points.

1) Technically every language Wikipedia community is independent in formulating it's own rules, policies and culture (except save for things like Copy right WP:NPOV un-supported Defamation of BLP etc.) So point in referring rules/ standards/ culture of French. language Wikipedia to English Wikipedia and vice versa is limited.

2) Whatever are the references used on French Wikipedia article take request inputs at WP:RSN for reliability by English Wikipedia community standard.

3) In English Wikipedia culture WP:ONUS is generally on the user who wants to add / retain any content in the article to seek WP:CONSENSUS at the article talk page.

4) I suggest take a little break at least from the specific article for a while. Even presenting references you are interested in WP:RSN for inputs will give you some minimal break.

5) Once through with WP:RSN if still wish you can approach WP:DRN there after WP:RfC, if needed.

Most probably you would be knowing all these things much better than me with your good long experience, Just I wish to help you to help yourself a little. Let's keep the things behind, Wishing you happy editing and cheers! Bookku (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bookku: I do not want to take a break from helping in the expansion-translation effort of the Djamaa el Djazair article. I do not want to calm down. I hate being told to calm down, because I associate that phrase with drugs, and I don't want to take drugs of any kind. I'm just tired of being reverted by unhelpful editors, especially those who aren't willing to understand the situation in that article. I am in real danger of being blocked because of this dispute now, especially if avenues like the Third Opinion page keep drying up. I'm living in fear of getting reverted by M.Bitton and Skandish.

All I want is a user who can realistically translate some sections of the French Djamaa el Djazair article into the English version of the Djamaa el Djazair article. I want such a user to take of this now. Otherwise, I'm not sure what other avenues I can use at this point.Jim856796 (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

This is a volunteer project. You do not control other editors' workflows or the project timelines, so demanding something happen "now" is not reasonable in this context. Particularly since I don't see consensus on that article's talk page that a translation effort is even desirable in this case. VQuakr (talk) 18:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@VQuakr: How long before I'm left without any outlets to resolve the dispute at Djamaa el Djazair? I'm going to keep on dealing with getting reverted by unhelpful editors who only want to revert translated text before then.Jim856796 (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no rush, and no deadline. Probably a good first step would be to stop referring to others who disagree with you as "unhelpful editors". You may want to re-read WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. You're getting reverted because their isn't consensus for the changes you're proposing, which means to need to work with these editors not adversarially against them as described at WP:ONUS. VQuakr (talk) 19:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@ Jim856796, I had and would have only and only positive intention to help you as a peer Wikipedian. Ping me any time you would need my help next time. Happy editing. Bookku (talk) 09:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bookku: On the "Translators Available" page, I found four editors on the "French-to-English" section who have been active this year (although the most recent sub-section that exists in "Active in 2020/1". I've already sent emails to two of them, asking for their help in expanding the Djamaa el Djazair article for it to match its French-language counterpart.Jim856796 (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I see you sent me an email about contributing to something... perhaps it's this French-to-English translation? Please reply here about how I can help and ping me. It is the Djamaa el Djazaïr article? If there is a particular section I can work on, this is probably something I can do. Let me know -- thanks! - tucoxn\^talk 20:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

To be succinct...

...you've had an account for 18 years and have made thousands of edits. Act like it. VQuakr (talk) 19:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@VQuakr: Rather than bothering to ask "How?", I can just say, Forget it, you can just leave me alone if you're not going to be helpful.Jim856796 (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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Refs for Steglitzer Kreisel

Hello. I noticed that you have created a page for the Steglitzer Kreisel building. I tagged it with an unreferenced template upon its lack of resources. Please make sure to find enough coverage in order to sustain the WP:SIGCOV of the article and avoid attracting less needed attention. It looks like you didn't finish the proper translation from the German counterpart. JeyReydar97 (talk) 22:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@JeyReydar97: I'll ask somebody on the Translators Available page this week to help with that effort.Jim856796 (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Reacting to an email...the article is totally unreferenced so far, so we need sourcing. As foreign language sources are explicitly allowed (WP:RSUEC), we could start by transferrring those that are used in the German article. Also keep in mind that, if you translate the german article, we need attribution (see Help:Translation for more info. Lectonar (talk) 08:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Lectonar: All I do in these expansion/translation efforts is adding and amending the raw translated text (grammar fixes included) section by section, or paragraph by paragraph. Availability issues with the users listed on the "Translators Available" page are the reason I can't add the translated citations and sourcing all by myself in addition to that.Jim856796 (talk) 18:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Translation requests

Hey Jim, just letting you know that I got both of your emails asking for translation. My wiki to-do list is long and I'm fairly busy at the moment, so it'll be a week or two before I can get around to them, but I would be happy to help. Best, Toadspike [Talk] 15:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

About translation at Djamaa el Djazaïr

Hi, Jim. Thanks for your efforts improving Djamaa el Djazaïr, and for discussion of how to improve it further via translation. I read the initial sentence in your recent post at the Talk page as meaning that you are stopping work on this article, not that you are "putting the translation effort on hold" in the sense that a company manager might put a companny project on hold for all employees of the company. Being a volunteer project, you can, of course, cease working on this article (or any article) simply because you don't wish to; no explanation needed. Other users are free to continue to improve the article, of course, with or without translation.

I wanted to address a couple of things you have mentioned in various discussions there, because I think you may be under some misconceptions about policy or content guidelines. For example, you said:

• I thought we are supposed to expand this article section-by-section from the French counterpart article to improve its chances of getting Good Article (or even Featured Article) status.

Supposed to is a bit strong; not sure where you got that idea. There is no guarantee that even a perfect translation by a professional bilingual fr/en translator would be acceptable at English Wikipedia. There are all sorts of reasons why this might be so, including lack of references, copyright violations in the French version, invented or hoax content, or contentious material in a biography being a few. Even a perfect translation combined with any of these issues would (or at least, *should*) be rejected and reverted at en-wiki. Finally, French Wikipedia (and all Wikipedias) are by definition an unreliable source. Editors are welcome to copy or translate from other Wikipedias and sister projects, but whatever content is imported into en-wiki must conform to all English Wikipedia policies and guidelines, particularly those of WP:Verifiability and neutral point of view. If the original French article does not, no amount of perfect translation will help.

So, your supposition isn't accurate; expanding articles here by translating from French article is something we may do, if the result is compliant with all ourP and G, but not something we should or are supposed to do. I do a fair amount of translation from French Wikipedia, and you really have to pick and choose; frankly, there is a whole lot of unsourced or poor content over there that is unfit for translation. Not infrequently, whole articles in French have nothing salvageable, and then I just start all over from scratch, writing the English article from the ground up, ignoring the French one, and using English sources where available, and French ones as needed. So, please abandon the idea of always just doing section-by-section translation from the French article; you might be making the English article worse by following that approach.

• How about we actually start this effort by listing on this talk page the sections on the French Wikipedia that the English article does not have

That's a good idea, and I sometimes translate the whole section structure (like an English version of the French Table of Contents) as explained and linked at the article Talk page. Keep in mind what was said above; just translating the section structure from fr-wiki, doesn't necessarily mean that all those sections should be translated, and possibly the choice of section structure by the original French authors may have been a poor one; use your own discretion.

• Also, WP:NONENG means exclusively English-language sources are going to be used in any expansion-translation efforts.

This is actually not correct, as the very first line of WP:NONENG clearly states. Non-English sources may certainly be used; that is policy.

• For example,if a verifiable fact has several foreign-language sources but no English ones, that fact is going to be removed in a heartbeat, and could potentially be edit-warred over.

Also not correct. Our WP:Verifiability policy is paramount, and if no English sources of equal quality exist, then you are more than welcome to use French sources. And if someone removes or challenges the content, then you must provide a citation to the non-English source, if that is what is available. If anyone edit wars over that, the first step is to address their removal at their User talk page, and escalate to WP:AN3 later, if necessary.

I hope this helps you to view the improvement effort at Djamaa el Djazaïr in a different light. You are certainly free to continue to improve the article any way you wish, including via translation from fr:Djamaâ El-Djazaïr where the translated content meets the policies and guidelines of English Wikipedia, or to stop work on it, if you prefer. I just wanted to make sure that if you do decide to stop, your decision will not based on faulty assumptions that do not match our actual policies on translation. Your past (and maybe future?) efforts at the article are appreciated. Thanks again, Mathglot (talk) 23:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Attribution and verifiability in translations

Hi again, Jim. Thanks for your recent creation of Gentileza Intermodal Terminal. This appears to be a translation from a portion of the Spanish Wikipedia article (or from the lead of the Portuguese article). I've tagged it as needing attribution, because it is missing the required translation attribution in the edit history. You can read how to add it retroactively at WP:RIA. I've also tagged it as unsourced; if you were a new editor, I would have draftified the article by now and explained our verifiability policy, but as a veteran editor, you don't need an explanation about basic policy, so please either add inline citations or draftify it yourself if you feel you're not ready with it yet. I've added the WikiData linkage for you, so it's tied to the Spanish and Portuguese articles through the language dropdown/sidebar now, but if you draftify it, that needs to be backed out. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)