User talk:Jim.henderson
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This is my English Wikipedia talk page. I am also active in Wikimedia Commons, where I'm at
"Let us keep our minds open by all means, as long as that means keeping our sense of perspective and seeking an understanding of the forces which mould the world. But don’t keep your minds so open that your brains fall out!"
Walter Kotschnig, 1939
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Hello Jim!
[edit]It's Siobhan. Thanks for your introduction to Wikipedia! Chiffon Lions (talk) 00:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Harper's Magazine, February 2024
[edit]"A white-haired retiree I know spends his days cycling around the Tri-State Area, taking freely licensed photographs of infrastructure, and sometimes letting me tag along."[1]
References
- ^ Rauwerda, Annie (February 2024). "Letters". Harper's Magazine.
Bluerasberry (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Lovely, thanks, Lane. Not everybody understands that, though young women are the class most assiduously flattered, old men are the ones most hungry for it, eagerly lapping it up even when it's done without a name. I am especially pleased that our friend @Annierau: has exaggerated; I actually spend most days at the computer and our bike ride was only once, and she was the one who had to wait for me to catch up. Anyway I had a lot more fun than usual and hope to do it again in warmer weather. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Images of bicycles
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Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday
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Howdy and Thank you
[edit]Thanks again. Ewildcardjo (talk) 01:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Tue March 5: Wiki Gala NYC
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WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer
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WikiWednesday (April 10) and City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon (April 11)
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| April 11: City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon | |
 Additionally, you are invited to City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon at the New York City College of Technology Library in Downtown Brooklyn! Join us in person on April 11th to learn about these great new materials at City Tech Library; to learn about editing Wikipedia; and to help increase representation of LGBTQIA individuals and issues online. All are welcome, new and experienced! Interested in attending, but not a CUNY student or faculty? Please get in touch; we'll help you navigate City Tech building security. Email Jen: jennifer.hoyer18 (at) citytech.cuny.edu.
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Jersey City Photography Meetup
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Nice meeting you yesterday evening. I would like to include a photograph for the May 20th event announcement (preferably one of you, but anything you select is fine). Also, some text to include. Any info on a particular project would be good too. I will post on Meetup.com and Facebook. The text I am thinking about ...
Jim Henderson is a Wikipedian, Wikimedia Commons Photographer, and avid cyclist from Wikipedia NYC. He will present to us what Wikidata is and it impact on the world and how to contribute you photographs and other files to the service. He will show us various tools such as "shoot me" and Wikimedia Commons. His links are: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Jim_Henderson_(Wikipedian) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jim.henderson Schwartzray (talk) 13:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Jim Henderson (Wikipedian) - All righty; we had communication uncertainties at both ends except I don't have the excuse of working in unfamiliar software. And obviously I'm hours later than I said. Been busy all week starting with the eclipse in Rochester, and various meetings and such starting a couple hours after my return. Tomorrow's two zoomcalls will leave me with an empty week in my calendar. With any luck I'll start catching up on my backlog of new photo editing, uploading, curating old photos, checking my 5000 watchlisted articles here in ENWP (English Wikipedia), etc. The two links are good.
- ". . . . He will tell us what the Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons sites are about, and their impact on the 300+ Wikipedias and the rest of the world of free information. He will show how to contribute your photos and other kinds of knowledge such as words and data. He will show us tools such as the "WikiShootMe" Webpage and "Wikimedia Commons" Android app for pictures. . . ."
- I've lengthened your two sentences into three, so feel free to chop away any excess. Or add; whatever. As you saw in Commons, we have plenty of pictures of me; problem is they all make me look old. Well, yeah.
- For WD and photo demos, I like to use a fresh example. Presumably the building where we meet has no Wikidata item or Commons picture, and fails to meet the criteria of WP:NOTABILITY. Thus, it will work nicely if you find the data (street address, construction date, owner, business tenants, height and no, of course we don't need all of those and might use any other data) beforehand. With some of that, we can build the WD item before everyone's eyes. Or some other building or old (before 20th century) statue or monument for which we can step outside and snap a picture. I like built structures because they have locations.
- As usual in talk pages, any talkpage WP:STALKER is welcome to butt in here with questions, corrections, ideas, whatever. For those people, we're talking about a meeting of a photo club near City Hall in Jersey City on May 20. At least, I think that's correct. Now I'm getting sleepy and won't search for the club's webpage. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Thu April 25: WikiNYC Hacking Night
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Hi Jim
[edit]I'm next to you at the Edit-a-thon. Thank you so much for your help.Skristol (talk) 17:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
May 8: WikiWednesday Salon with new Executive Director
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June 2: Hacking Sunday (+preview of June 8 Wiknic)
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Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic
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June 26: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
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Fri July 19: Wikicurious in NYC, Editing Wikipedia for Beginners
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Is Long Island a language?
[edit]Asking a fellow LI'er if we should have translations for Lawn Giland? PaulieZiegfeld (talk) 21:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the help!
[edit]Hi there,
I appreciate you help editing Wikipedia pages.
Rate My Praxis (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello there!
[edit]Hi Jim, here's your pics!
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Wikimania 2024 -
Wikimania 2024
Grizma (talk) 09:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Grizma it's always pleasant meeting the young and pretty, especially when they are also kind, clever and modest. So, naturally you are as pleased to meet me as I am to meet you. I hope to see you again. Jim.henderson (talk) 22:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Sat August 24: Roosevelt Island Wiknic
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A bowl of strawberries for you!
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It was a pleasure meeting you at Wiknic 2024! I hope to see you at more Wiki community events. Ornov Ganguly TALK 02:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC) |
"Photosite" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Photosite has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27 § Photosite until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 08:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Sep 25: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting (plus Latin music event on Sep 21!)
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Sep 21: Wikicurious for Latin Music: Editing to the Beat ♫
[edit]| Sat Sep 21: Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat ♫ @ Lehman College | |
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Oct 26: Wikidata Day NYC
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[edit]I am stuck with this idiot at the Harlem Library, ughhh! Urahoneza (talk) 21:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)