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I didn't have much to do with the Nevsky Express Bombing. I created it and added the essential info but I've not been back to it since it was on ITN. As for Neighbours, I'm just a humble reviewer. I'll have to find another one to review now but I think I'll pick a nice easy pass! You have a habit of appearing on here out of the blue! Always nice to hear from you though! HJMitchellYou rang? 17:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
BOO! Hope I haven't been scaring you. I just missed you 'yesterday'. I made a comment on the Neighbours talk page that may be of interest re Guy Pearce. It's morning now and (as usual!) I haven't had much sleep so have to go anyway. Things to do. May be back in your morning, 12-15 hours, Hope Mk1 Eyeball is recovering. --220.101.28.25 (talk) 19:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, What do you think of calling this article "2009 Ashura protests" rather than "2009 Ashura riots?" See talk page of article for an explanation of why I think the former would be preferable. CordeliaNaismith (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Happy New Year
Well it is here already. What a way to spend New Years Eve, editing stories about a multiple shooting in Finland! By the morning I won't be surprised if it's been deleted! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 14:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, hope I'm not interrupting your work. Just wanted to say Happy New Year again, Hope you have a good one cause mine sucked as above. DON'T spend it over the keyboard, unless you really want to. Because a few editors swanned in and deleted whole paragraphs and all sorts of stuff without consenus, I really feel that I wasted my time. Right now there is/was a bit of a frenzy going on at 2009 Espoo shopping mall shooting. TOO many 'cooks'! Needs to be a bit more 'discipline' I think imho. (was so tired I forgot to save this messgae, it was still in edit mode when I got up!)--220.101.28.25 (talk) 23:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Meh, what can you do? It happens sometimes. there's all these funny policies and guidelines as to what can and can't be in an article (and lots more about everything else- they make for a very, very, boring read, I can assure you, but they're worth knowing). If they removed something relevant and sourced, you can always add it back in- just explain why in the edit summary and take it to the talk page if someone reverts you. Happy new year! HJMitchellYou rang? 10:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
A 1 word insult is not a personal attack
I agree you should delete/block people who use wikipedea for personal attacks, but a 1 word insult is not a personal attack, repetitive harrasment is a personal attack. You need to distinguish the endless torment from single words. I shall try to state my quarrel without insulting him. or just do it in another language. Till then you... oh, no i can't use that word can i? Ciao 4 now. J (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Erm, calling someone a bastard is a personal attack. Harassment is something different. You're quite welcome to take up your quarrel in a civil manner either at Coffee's talk page or at Deletion review but try to focus on the merits of the article that was deleted and not on the editor who deleted it. HJMitchellYou rang? 17:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
It isn't. I see how several insults could be considerd an 'attack' but a single word isn't. I recall you sying "attacking the administrator who deleted it is one of the quickest ways to earn yourself an indefinite block from editing" out of couriousty, what would be the first?--J (talk) 17:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
It just isn't. & if the fastest way of getting something done is to ask niceley (i presume you mean without insulting people) then, could you please tell me how to change the colour of my signiture? coz ive noticed allot of people with multiple colours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Don't look back in anger (talk • contribs) 17:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Sure. Got to special:preferences and there'll be a white text box in the middle of the page somewhere with your current sig in it. For colours, use <span style="color:Navy" or whatever colour you want. I use teal and navy in mine, but I think you can have more or less any colour you like (as long as it exists!). HJMitchellYou rang? 18:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
"Ask nicely" can i have a defintion for that? & the method you told me on how to change my signiture colour doesn't work. it just added the word green to it. in standard blue colour. & you'll be pleased to know that the only swearing has be at my computer. L8rs. J (talk) 16:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I hope 5 albert square doesn't mind that I comment in his thread. ;) Happy New Year, HJ. :) I hope you had a nice 2009, and here's to 2010 being an awesome year. :P Happy New Year everyone!!! -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)01:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Good to know! I must drop in there actually, I can't take any credit for it- I'm pretty sure Viriditas knows what he's doing better than I do. I'm bored so I'm just looking for sources on a few unreferenced BLPs- we're 11 hours in to the new year and already there are half a dozen of them (not to mention the backlog back to October 2006!). So what are your wiki-plans for 2010? Any more GAs planned? HJMitchellYou rang? 10:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
No plans for any GA's right at this minute, I'm gonna take a bit of a break from them meantime as The Bill and Neighbours didn't half take it out of me! I'm gonna do some work on Dale Smith (The Bill) (maybe nominate him for GA at the end of the year) and also on Lothian Buses. I went into Dale Smith's article the other day to correct something and ended up spending about 2 hours in the article giving it a quick copyedit as it annoyed me so much! The bits about his relationships are given some seriously undue weight, I think his article will need a complete re-write. Unfortunately Lothian Buses' article is probably worse! I'm fortunate in that I know the company because they're my local bus service, but anyone reading the page that doesn't know them probably wouldn't understand much of what's on the page. So they're on my 'to do' list now too, how come 'to do' lists always seem to get longer instead of shorter? A few weeks ago it was only Dale Smith and revamping Neighbours for GA status on it, now it's Dale Smith, Lothian Buses, creating an article about the fictional coffee house in Neighbours and creating an article for one of the actresses starring in the "Queen: We Will Rock You" musical! How about you? --5 albert square (talk) 11:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Nothing immediate. I'll probably check in on Barrowman when I'm properly awake (the single malt at midnight was a good idea at the time...) and hopefully get that promoted pretty soon, then I might take on a nice easy GA review (one that I can do in a few days rather than a month) hel;p clear the semi-permanent backlog there, reference a few of these BLPs (Miss World is surprisingly difficult to source!) and by that time I'll probably have stumbled across something else that needs doing. I wouldn't mind making at least a decent article (but probably not a GA) out of Hill Street Blues and or Merseybeat (TV series) but I don;t want to get that involved in any article for now. I'm happy just turning up, adding a ref or two, removing the tag, slap on any stub templates and categories and move on to the next! HJMitchellYou rang? 11:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
On 1 January 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2009 Ashura protests, which you substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.
Cheers, and to you! Always a pleasure to hear from you! I had a look at that and, as I say at the review, it was very abrupt. I don't know if it's some attempt to clear a backlog but it does seem strange. As an aside, from my experience at ANI, I know the editor has been in trouble for running unauthorised bots and other things. I'd be happy to give you a "proper" review (since it's you!) but I don't know if it would be better to create a new review page (a /GA2) or to do it at the reassessment. If you have a preference, let me know, but it will have to wait a few hours, unfortunately, because it's 2AM here! HJMitchellYou rang? 02:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, another year, another suicide bombing, another shooting, another 100 vandals to 'wack', nothing much changes does it? You may be ‘gratified’ to know that just as I started writing to you it started raining heavily. Thunder too. That darn cyclone! Now it wil be well hot and humid!
How is the eye?. Don’t have a pet tarantula by any chance? Just saw you answered my last re the Finnish thing, thanks. The article improved a lot since, still psedudo-vandals putting stuff in about his religion etc. I'll be keeping an eye on it. --220.101.28.25 (talk) 02:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Y'know, I know we've had this conversation, but you really would benefit from an account- you can equip yourself with all sorts of fancytools to obliterate vandalism and warn those horrible, mean vandals in less time than it took you to work out it was vandalism! You also get a watchlist, to which you can add this page! Anyhow, i was working on the suicide bomb- I expect it'll be on the main page in a few hours. There always seems to be some demand on my attention on here! Saying that, though, i contribute to some of the highest and some of the least trafficked pages on the wiki! Eye is much better though, thanks. And now (2 hours after I intended to) I'm going to bed. Someone else can get the bloody vandals for a few hours! HJMitchellYou rang? 02:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day." Henry V
Sorry, but when I attempt to help out with a dispute at ANI, I try to remain as neutral as I can and getting into that discussion would mean I'm involved with the problem rather than a neutral third party trying to solve it! Sorry. HJMitchellYou rang? 20:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
New
I hope you don't mind that I created a new section. It didn't seem right to comment on the New Year one. I hope you had a good New Year. :) I was gonna ask you what your progress was on Pitt's article, but I didn't want to seem "pushy". Also, because I saw your talkpage, and you had a lot going on, so. They're all active, though, I don't think they'd have the time to comment on the article's setting. TBH, I'd rather let them "comment" on the FAC, whenever I get to it. I have confidence that the article has gone complete changes since the last time they saw the article, so. If you're to busy to get Pitt, I'll be more than happy to ask another editor to copy-edit (I have a user who agreed to copy-editing the article, he helped with Ethan Hawke's prose, now an FA), no hard feelings really, like I wound up saying last year. ;) -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)16:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries- things seem to go quiet here and then all of a sudden it just piles on! I ended up with 3 GA reviews, an RfA (which failed) and various other things, all going off at the same time! It was a little hectic to put it mildly. I'll be able to get back to Pitt in a day or two (I'm back home now- I've been all over the place the last two weeks). If memory serves, I got as far as last section or 2 so I'll look at those and then take a look at the whole thing. If it's OK with you (it's "your" article after all) I might ask one of the editors there if they have any input (I recall there was one who was especially critical of the prose, but their name escapes me). I'll drop you a note in a day or two anyway and probably spend the best part of a day on it! All the best (sorry to keep you hanging on!). HJMitchellYou rang? 18:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, tell me about it. :) You are busy. I'm sorry to hear that your Rfa failed, didn't know you had one, I would have given you my support. Hey, take your time. The last section you got was the "In the media", I remember cause I answered your hidden comment there. If you want to ask the editors who participated in Pitt's FAC, go for it. I was bummed out about their "comments" regarding the article, so. I believe that either was users Tony or Dockino, or even Graham Colm. Yeah, but it wouldn't be fair too stop what you're doing. I'd rather have you finish it before I move on. :) Yeah, let me know when you start. -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)18:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it'll take more than a few hours to get to the end of it, so as soon as I can get a few hours' peace on here, I'll be right to it. I suppose you have to expect a highly trafficked talk page if you spend as much time as I do at ANI! I think it was Dockino, now you mention it. I might drop him a line and see if he'll work with me- some of the comments at the FAC were less than helpful but some of them seemed to raise valid points- I'll see if any (well, one or two) of them have anything to offer informally assuming you don't mind. Like I say, a day or two should do the trick and I am sorry I've not been able to get through it quickly! I appreciate the thought on the RfA- I kept telling myself it wasn't premature but I suppose it was really. I might try again in a few months but I've got far more important things than my own RfA to get on with in the meantime! HJMitchellYou rang? 20:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
At first I thought you were done, I was gonna ask you about it, but I didn't want to seem "pushy", so I was like 'He's either done, or he's taking his time with it.' Hey, find your peace, which I should do too, and see where it takes you. :) Well, if you want to ask for feedback, be my guest. It's still too soon for me to ask them to look over the article, their comments were pretty strong. It's fine, dude, I have no rush to nominate the article, all I want is for it to be FA standards. You'll be a fine admin. some day, just have patience with it. IDK, I too had a failed Rfa, so, I think I feel your pain. Take your time, find peace and love, and do your things. ;) -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)17:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Aright then, it's nice to come across someone who wants a copyedit to improve the article, not just to stick a shiny FA star on their userpage. I'll be there as soon as I can and I'll probably drop someone a line to see if they think there's been an improvement. It might be a bit soon (I read through the FAC [reminded me of my RfA!] and some of them were, er, outspoken!) but better that than to have some surprise pop up in the next FAC. I didn't know you had an RfA- when was it? I'm not unduly bothered by it all though and I was actually surprised at the number of people who supported me it just would have been nice to have the extra tools, but I'll just have to bug someone else to do things! All the best, HJMitchellYou rang? 03:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
No, no, that's not me. I want people to see that on the articles I contribute in are good material, and that they can be amazed of good the writing is. Sure, I could brag about my "accomplishments", but that really doesn't satisfy. Yeah, I did. It'll be two years in March that it "didn't go through". I take the blame, all the blame for it failing. You'll get them, don't worry, you have the admin. traits, so. ;) -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)18:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
2 years? And you've never run again? Ever thought about it? People at RfA like FAs and you seem to have got half of Hollywood to FA! Besides Pitt (when he makes FA) my only contributions to FA are copyedit to a failure and reverting vandalism on TFA! HJMitchellYou rang? 07:00, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Yup, 2 years. No, cause I still have more to learn. I have thought of running, but I keep telling myself that if I go for it, it'll end up like my first Rfa. Yeah, I've seen that they are very impressed with the FAs you have and stuff. Also, because of my failed Rfa, I started working on different projects, hence why I've been working on actor articles, besides pro wrestling, which was the only thing I worked on. Don't worry, you'll have your FA, just need to work on it hard. :) -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)16:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
We all have more to learn! Even Jimbo Wales doesn't know everything about the background workings of WP! I was surprised nobody criticised me for my lack of FAs but they liked my random smattering of GA, DYK and ITN! RfAs are always going to be dramafests! A lot of the RfA regulars have their own standards- if you ever think of running again, have a look at some of those- I'm pretty sure you more than meet most of them. The biggest question, I suppose, at RfA is what you'd do with the tools. What would you do if you had the tools? BTW, how long does it take to get a review after you nominate an article for FA? It's somewhere around 6 weeks for GAs atm! HJMitchellYou rang? 23:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, there's stuff I still need to know. What would I do with the tools? Do you mean how long the process is for the article to get promoted? -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)19:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, we definitely need more competent people in GA, FA, the Main Page and just about nay area you care to mention! Anyhow, apologies for my delay in replying (how rude of me!) but I finally got my arse back to Pitt and I've copyedited to the bottom. I've also contacted three editors (GrahamColm, DocKino and Tony1) to ask if they'd mind taking another look, hopefully they'll make some good points and I'll do what I can to address them. HJMitchellYou rang? 22:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
No, no, my apologies for forgetting that you and I have a conversation going. Good luck if they reply. Like I said, I would rather they comment on the follow-up FAC, then asking them to give feedback before, but, if you believe this might work, I'm right behind ya. If they don't respond, which I believe is bound to happen, then I'll ask the user who copy-edited Ethan Hawke's article, and see what he can do with the article. -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)17:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I (BTW, I'm a she, I thought it'd be cool, the guy is wearing a "soccer" jersey, since Brits love "soccer") applaud you for what you are doing. ;)
I just think it looks better if you show you're willing to engage in dialogue and take note of their concerns. GrahamColm replied and said he'd take a look, I've not heard from the other two as yet. I'd rather they raise concerns now than get a bombshell in the FAC- that way the FAC should be an easy pass for you! I'll take another look myself- there's bound to be something I missed- and by all means, get your other copyediter to have a look if he has the time- the more eyes the better. You've done such a good job of putting this together, it would be a shame if it failed again just because of the prose. What's the name of your other copyediter? I might drop them a line- fellow copyediters are something of a commodity on here! HJMitchellYou rang? 22:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I guess, but I applaud you for wanting to engage with them. Alright, if you want to go that path, I'm on board, like you said, it'd be a shame if the article didn't pass, all that hard work used to waste. The user's name is Gonzonoir, if you want to drop him a line. TBH, I don't want you guys to get into an edit conflict, so I'd rather have you or whomever finish first, and then get Gonzonoir to do the rest, that way we avoid that "mishap". -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE)20:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I have started the review, please add Talk:Lily Cole/GA1 to your watchlist. I have made a few comments already on the article. I know it says the article must be on hold for 7 days but I will keep it open longer if necessary. Though I really don't think it will take us much longer than a week or two to get this up to GA standard. If you haven't already given the article a copyedit, would you be able to do so? I might also run it through AWB once I get the hang of this new application that Wikipedia have given me to make sure no nasty horrors spring up!
Fair enough! I'm sure her name (along with The Bill and Neighbours) will be burned into your brain soon! I wouldn't worry about how long you can hold it for, the other GA I'm reviewing is top of its section and it's been on hold for over a month (Neighbours wasn't far off that, either and The Bill was on hold for ages as I recall)! I'll take a look at your comments and see wha tI can do- I think it's pretty well copyedited (I wrote most of it!) but obviously the stuff I didn't write might need a bit of work- won't take me long (it is kind of my speciality). If you could run it through with AWB, I'd greatly appreciate it- I never quite understood what it how it worked so I never requested it (I manage quite well with rollback, Twinkle, popups and reftool and HotCat!). Thanks for that! HJMitchellYou rang? 23:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought I got the hang of it the other day, and thought I sussed out how to get AWB to check one article only by selecting that one article from my watchlist. So asked it to check the page of Alan Fletcher only. But for some reason AWB started checking the page Popular sermon of the medieval friar!! What the heck it thinks that page and a page about a 50-something year old singer and Neighbours actor have got in common I'll never ever know! The second page isn't even in my watch list and I hadn't even heard of it until I apparently got AWB to check it the other day. I think I'll message the mod that approved me, ask him how I do this! --5 albert square (talk) 23:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Better that than to make a mess! You'll get the hang of it eventually! As for it being on your watchlist, you probably reverted a vandal there- every time you use Twinkle on a page, it adds it to your watchlist (which can get irritating- mine's over 800 pages long because I can't be arsed to edit it!). I'm working on Lily now, getting through your comments- it's definitely better to have a another pair of eyes on it! HJMitchellYou rang? 23:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
That's true. I've messaged Roddhullandemu to ask them if I can simply search one page. Hopefully I can :). Lily Cole will be a short review though, I really couldn't see too much wrong with the article :) --5 albert square (talk) 00:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Well I've been working on it on and off for ~3 months. She's quite easy to write about because she has a pleasant habit giving very in-depth articles to The Daily Telegraph! That and being relatively young (though she's older than me), there's no shortage of material on the web- it's just separating the wheat from the chaff (The Daily Mail really will report anything!). She also got a lot of attention very recently for The Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus (which is the best film I've seen in a long time!). Anyway, always better to ask for help if you're not sure on something- you'll get kudos for that anyway. Oh, btw, "everyone" is just little old me! It gets about half a dozen edits a month when you take mine out, which is a shame really. HJMitchellYou rang? 00:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Good work. I've made two final points at the review. I doubt they'll take long to address, so drop me a line when you're done and I'll pass it! HJMitchellYou rang? 18:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone, just to let you know I put John Barrowman through a check with Wikipedia:AWB tonight. Pleased to say that nothing major showed up, only a few minor grammar issues (nothing that would affect it getting to GA status - just AWB being picky!) AWB has fixed the issues for you :) --5 albert square (talk) 03:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
That's ok, I will also ask AWB to check for any dead/broken links etc tomorrow night. I was gonna do it tonight, but well it's quite late and I forgot to ask AWB to do it! I was supposed to head to bed hours ago, but I'm just not tired! By the way have you seen the vandalism I came across at Ross Kemp tonight? I have just asked for the page to be protected, if they don't protect that page I will eat my hat! I also had a wee rant about the vandalism at Talk:Ross Kemp, god vandals annoy me! --5 albert square (talk) 03:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Calm down, dear, it's only a commercial vandal! There's a reason we're blessed with tools like Twinkle and Rollback! You don't need to worry about the links- Barrowman's done and I'll do Lily in a minute (there's a tool on toolserver [where you get the edit counters etc] that does them and I have the time now!). I'll be on for a few hours yet, I have a huge to-do list- 2 articles I'm reviewing + Lily and I'd like to get back to ITN/C at some point! I reckon I should be able to pass Barrowman soon (it's currently top of its section on GAN!) and Breakout (Miley Cyrus song) shouldn't take too long (if you could run that through with AWB, I'd greatly appreciate it). Come to think of it, I might request approval for it (hopefully should be fairly easy- until my RfA, I had no idea so many people liked me!). I'll keep an eye on Kemp and if it's not protected, I'll watchlist it so it can joing my (growing) collection of randomly vandalised articles! HJMitchellYou rang? 04:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I do everything! Well, ITN and GA. And unreferenced BLPs. And vandal fighting! Since it's you, I'll take a look- I'm reviewing one for Candlewicke atm but I'm sure I can spare you the time. Best, HJMitchellYou rang? 06:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks good to me! I've listed it and put the templates on the talk page. Sorry you had to wait so long- GAN is semi-permanently backlogged. There are still 322 waiting for a review so if you want to help out by reviewing one (or two...) it would be greatly appreciated! 2 reviews completed in a day- not bad! My last two took over a month each! As I said to Candlewicke earlier, if you get another nom (or you know someone else from ITN has one), drop me a line and I'll put it on my to-do list! All the best, HJMitchellYou rang? 14:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
There's no need to apologise, it's just I'm not sure what's going on. Perhaps you could explain it to me if you have time? I'd be glad to give my input if I understood what was going in, which is probably my own fault. You know where I am if you need me. HJMitchellYou rang? 23:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
O.K. What is going on is that I revamped a discography article, as I do with articles you have reviewed. So, a couple of days after it's actually on the page, some editors started reverting my edits into the previous unreferenced version. We finally agreed to discuss the problems anyone had on the talk page of the discography and no one seems to be reaching consensus. So, because of that, I'm asking for you to input your opinion on the topics that they want addressed. But first, I think you should read the conversation though it is long. Do you understand? -- ipodnano05 * leave@message23:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Sure. I'll have a read through the conversation and a thumb through the history and see if I can add anything useful to the discussion. All the best, HJMitchellYou rang? 23:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much, HJ for lifting the speedy deletion tag for now, I know it might not last at all for very long, like u said AFD is the other option in this case.
I think it's probably notable, as I said in the edit summary. I do a lot of stuff around the In The News area of WP and I know there was a lot of material on the fire. As I said on your talk page, try looking on Google news to get you started. Once you've established notability, you can relax a little. If it goes to AfD, I'll fight for it. If you need a hand, just drop me a line! HJMitchellYou rang? 16:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. Just take all the info you can get from those and add it into the article- don't worry about format if you don;t want to- I can always tidy it up later! HJMitchellYou rang? 17:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Global Warming again
You kindly offered to help regarding my proposed RfC regarding this article. This diff [[1]] shows that it has got even worse. My dissenting comments were removed as off-topic but the original off-topic pro AGW rant was left. My attempts to protest about this on the page were completely erased (I can give you difs if you like). How to proceed? Martin Hogbin (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I hate to say this, I really do, but that group of articles is (unless it's been closed already- I'm not monitoring it closely) subject to proceedings by ArbCom so I'm extremely reluctant to interfere. However, if you have a grievance with one particular editor, I can drop them a line and ask for an explanation. Or, if it's a small number of editors with a pattern of this kind of behaviour, I can open an ANI thread on your behalf but, as you saw last time, it'll likely descend into drama. Again, though we might get something productive out of it. Do I take it this is at Talk:Global Warming? HJMitchellYou rang? 18:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, this is Talk:Global Warming. I am not sure what the best way to tackle this is but it seems to me that there is a fairly well organised tag team controlling the article and preventing any form of dissenting opinion, for this reason I see no point in talking to individual editors. Perhaps you could just give me your opinion on the latest events. You can see from the diff what was deleted. Now have a look at the section as it is now. Which was more relevant to improving the article? Am I being over sensitive or do you see signs of page ownership? Martin Hogbin (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd say it's borderline- I skimmed through the diffs moving forward from the one you linked and it doesn't appear that the conversation you were having was directly related to the article, in which case it should perhaps be taking place in user talk namespace, but the removal of just part of a thread sets alarm bells ringing. Have you had dealings with the editor who removed the comments before? HJMitchellYou rang? 19:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I try not to have 'dealings' with anybody on that article as it seems that action is soon taken against anyone who tries to defend their position to try to get them blocked, thus I do not engage in any form of edit warring etc. I got reverted a few days ago, within 14 minutes of my change and just had to leave it. I sometimes comment on the talk page but this is usually deleted or immediately archived. Rapid archiving of conversations seems to happen a lot there. Martin Hogbin (talk) 19:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Was that one of the issues raise in the ArbCom case? Also, can you provide diffs of one or two editors showing a pattern of this kind of thing recently where the conversation could not be interpreted as anything other than directed at article improvement? HJMitchellYou rang? 19:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, thanks for the note. Probably better to err on the side of caution. I couldn't work out if the article was talking about a musical recording or a website. Anyway, is A9 applicable or should I take it to AfD? HJMitchellYou rang? 20:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
You could try A9, but the article includes 3 reviews now, including one from Exclaim!, so I don't know if another admin would delete it under A9. Otherwise, if you think the article needs deleting, try WP:PROD or AfD. — Malik ShabazzTalk/Stalk20:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a article for deletion section where editors can vote keep merge delete for this page? If not, where should I defend the article? Quiggers1P (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
If you disagree with a prod, you can just take the tag off. You should consider addressing my concerns afterwards, but by all means take it off if you think the article should remain. If you need a hand, just drop me a line. Sorry. HJMitchellYou rang? 21:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
On January 11, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Terrorist Hunters, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
OK, what happened there? I wasn't active on ITN/C for a few days because I was working pretty intensely on a GA bid and I got back to find everything had changed! If archiving is back to the old cut and paste method, I'll be able to do it most days (I'm on here at midnight or shortly after more often than not!). Thanks for the note. HJMitchellYou rang? 02:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah of course a little help would be appreciated. At present I'm really hurt by allegations that my contributions to Wikipedia are fancruft, as the other user states. In that case Ipodnano05 can tell you about my contributions to the community. --Legolas(talk2me)12:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I've seen you at GAN and I haven't seen you at ANI, which, in my opinion, must mean you're a great editor! I wouldn't worry about it too much- not so long ago, I was accused of edit warring. You just have to take a step back and invoke WP:DGAF. Anyway, I'll be a few hours- I have real world concerns to deal with and a soon-to-be DYK nom to get to a respectable level, but I'll be happy to give you a review. HJMitchellYou rang? 12:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Ohh you seem to be really busy and great work on the Hayman article. I personally admired the fact that you formatted the references so wonderfully. About the issue present, I invoked a discussion at WP:WQA regarding the user's abusive nature and requested the comment of the editors involved with the Lady Gaga articles as to what they really think about my additions. Feel free to comment if you get time. --Legolas(talk2me)12:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Cheers, once it's a bit bigger, I'll nominate it for DYK (even if his book has only just come off DYK!). I'm always busy- I have an ever growing to-do list ranging from unreferenced BLPs to FACs, but I can always make time for good people and you didn't look like you were having a lot of fun, so I thought I'd try to help! I might comment on the WQA- I'll keep an eye on it certainly and see what other editors have to say and if I can make a useful contribution, I'll pipe up. Best, HJMitchellYou rang? 12:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
OOh I never have fun in Wikipedia nowadays, what with my watchlist exceeding 350 with all the Gaga and Madonna pages, and add all these kind of accusations on top of it, I may commit a wiki-suicide anyday. --Legolas(talk2me)12:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, things tend to get out of hand when two editors have a strong difference of opinion. Sometimes people do or say stupid things, but I know from my experience at GAN that many editors base their upcoming articles on your GAs and FAs and they do it because they represent the best WP has to offer- you've unofficially set a higher standard for song GAs. HJMitchellYou rang? 13:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I understand. I am leaving the issue to the concerned editors of the article and people who have seen me developing articles. I believe they can be a fair judge to what I do here, I have asked them to say what they exactly feel about my contributions and comment truthfully. I won't return to it. But what to do with the review? --Legolas(talk2me)13:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
What indeed? I'd be happy to conduct the review, but if there's nobody to address any concerns I raise, there's not much point. I think it would be a great shame if you weren't to return to the article, but I don't feel able to pass judgement on the issues, because I don't know enough about the article. I think your approach of seeking feedback from other editors involved in the article is a good idea- they're the best qualified to comment on the issues. HJMitchellYou rang? 14:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
You're quite welcome. Thank you for making it easy for me! I'm glad that Wikipedia's coverage of the controversy is so well written and neutral and resists the temptation to get wrapped up in it. HJMitchellYou rang? 04:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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You're quite welcome. Thanks for your work- we need people doing what you do- there wouldn't be a wiki without the content builders, but their efforts would be wasted if nobody reverted the vandals and kept the place clean from the patrols. Have you considered applying for rollback? You might find it useful. HJMitchellYou rang? 18:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey.
Hi HJ, am I right in thinking you can't use a Wikipedia article as a reference?
Btw, well done on getting Lily Cole to GA status, are you working on getting anything else to GA at the moment? I've been trying to improve various Neighbours articles and even uploaded my first image yesterday. Not sure if I want to try and get anything to GA for a while yet though. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey. Nice to hear from you! You are right, WP itself can;t be used as a ref (though other articles may contain refs to reliable sources which can be useful). There are umpteen reasons why you can't, but it's mainly because I could write "the Earth is flat" in one article and use it as a ref in another.
Thank you for that, I was just looking at Kate Ramsay and saw that reference No.2 is an article from Wiki.
5asq and I can't wait to see Susan on the main page. I've been working on Ramsay Street over the past few days, it had 5 different tags on it, so it needed improvement. A lot of the references I've added are from Perfectblend, but I'm hoping they'll be okay for now while I look for others. If I need anything else I'll get back to you. :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 23:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries. You'll have to be quick to see it on there- they usually go on about a week after the nomination bu they only stay on for 6 hours. Hey, Perfectblend is better than nothing. BTW, I see you got rollback- congrats! That ought to put those bloody vandals in their place! HJMitchellYou rang? 23:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Having Rollback has made reverting vandalism so much easier. I applied for it after an IP started adding loads of random, unsourced info to various soap opera cast lists. I had no way of undoing multiple edits without doing it manually. - JuneGloom07Talk? 23:38, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I love it! I like being able to revert blatant vandalism straight from my watchlist or the recent changes. As for reverting multiple edits, Twinkle can help you there (it also has an "AGF" button to revert multiple edits that aren't vandalism and you can revert to a specific version if you get multiple vandals). 5asq and I both use it. There's also Huggle if you use Internet Explorer rather than Firefox and, I'm sure, hundreds of other tools that do different things according to what floats your boat! HJMitchellYou rang? 23:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I have been thinking about getting Huggle, I'll have a read up about it first though. I think I need to go edit a few different pages now after all the edits I've been making to the Neighbours pages. Need to mix it up a bit. Don't worry about adding a blue bar to my page in the future, I'm still watching you. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Alright then! If you're looking for something to do, there's always something. We have over 50,000 unreferenced BLPs, new pages that need patrolling and often fixing (categories, stub templates etc), f**k knows how many GA candidates needing a review. If that doesn't suit you, just tick the Twinkle or Huggle button on your preferences (it's the fastest and easiest way to warn vandals unless you want to memorise all the templates!) and patrol the recent changes- it's also a good way to build up a decent sized watchlist of frequently vandalised articles! Whatever you do, anyway, don;t be a stranger- it's always nice to have a chat every now and again! HJMitchellYou rang? 01:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I've just had a wander over to the New Pages and have just patrolled my first page from the backlog. Just starting my second now, hopefully I've done everything right so far. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
You don't have to do much- just click the "mark this page patrolled" link at the bottom and do what you can for the article- if it's a stub, try to find the most relevant template for it, for example {{UK-tv-stub}} and add it to appropriate categories (there's a very easy-to-use tool for that) and/or put a maintenance on it if you can;t deal with the issue yourself. Of course, some won't meet WP standards and will have been missed by those patrolling the front, so you might have to prod or AfD it. Hope that helps, but give me a shout if you need help (I've patrolled nearly 1,000). I'm off to bed now! It's 20 to 3 in the morning! HJMitchellYou rang? 02:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've patrolled 8 pages so far and I'm kinda enjoying it. I added HotCat too, which, like you said, is a very easy tool to use. I don't know if 5asq got to see Susan Bower on the main page earlier and Susan's gone now. If she missed it, is there anyway for her to see it? - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Probably not, but she should get the credit for it- they have a bot over there that delivers it. It's only on for 6 hours, which is a bit of a bummer but you can imagine how many they have to get through if it takes a week just to get that! Enjoy the new page patrolling! You'll soon find it's a never-ending backlog! HJMitchellYou rang? 15:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, you put a warning on my talk page and said that I have reverted Taylor Swift discography for 3 times. However, I think I only edited the discography for three times, and only revert the page once. I am sure I am not violating the 3RR rule. If you still think I did, please leave another message on my talk page. Langdon (talk) 02:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I may have been mistaken. The warning was not for violating the 3RR but for edit warring in general- I'm aware that you've only made three edits/reverts in the last 24 hours but I wanted to warn you that 4 reverts could get you blocked. I've been watching what's been going on at that article for a while and I've seen enough reverting going on. I'm going to attempt to lay down the law in the hope of fostering a productive discussion- you just happened to be the first person I saw reverting, which is why you got the warning, though I have raised the matter with Ipodnano05 as well and I'll probably leave a note on the article talk page tomorrow telling everyone to keep a check on their tempers and their fingers off the undo button. The last thing I want is for this to end up at ANEW or ANI because it won't end well for anybody if it does.
You're perfectly entitled to disagree with an edit, but you don't have to revert it on sight- try explaining what's wrong with it and attempting to reach a consensus on the talk page. I'm making a point of staying out of the disagreement itself but I'm watching it closely and I'm happy to mediate and help you guys find consensus because that's the best thing for everyone involved and for the encyclopaedia. If you need a hand, drop me a line here and if you want to vent, feel free to email me if it helps. HJMitchellYou rang? 02:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. Non free images isn't really my speciality and I just used Twinkle which, unsurprisingly really, has sent it to the wrong place! Thanks for cleaning up my mess! HJMitchellYou rang? 14:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Just dropping by to say hi
Seems ages since we last chatted!
Susan Bower made it to Wikipedia's front page! Unfortunately I was in the land of nod when that happened this morning, but it doesn't matter, I remember the 'hook' I used for nominating her so I know exactly what was said.
Oh, and you can look out for Neighbours appearing on the front page again in March! This time under the On This Day section as I nominated it for Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/March 18, the day it celebrates it's 25th anniversary in Australia. I don't know, you have a Wikipedia article for years and no-one takes any notice. Then someone comes along, sees the good article potential so nominates you, then in the space of about 4 months you've been nominated for good article status, promoted to good article status and have been mentioned on the front page twice! It's like the buses, you wait an age on one and then 4 come at once!
I put Tim Cross up at GAN (you could review it for me if you were feeling nice!) and I'm reviewing Inglorious Basterds for June since I was looking for another GA review and saw her sig! Oh, and there's Andy Hayman, which I created t'other day and will hopefully make it to DYK. Other than that, I've got a few things I'm working on kind of on and off! What about you? HJMitchellYou rang? 00:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmmmm I've had a look at Tim Cross and I'm completely clueless as to what to suggest for it. It's a hard one, never heard of the person before and I know absolutely nothing about the army, how the ranks work, awards, wars etc I'm afraid. I've had a look to see if there's an article I can compare it against but I can't seem to find one that's relevant to Tim Cross.
I struggled myself when I nominated it- the best article I could find about someone similar was General Sir mike Jackson (there seems to be a scrap going on over the title so it's probably a redirect atm!) who used to be chief of the General Staff (head of the army!) but even his article is in a bit of a state. Shame really, he's an interesting bloke. I was amazed Cross was a redlink when I went to look him up after he testified at The Iraq Inquiry. Where you going? HJMitchellYou rang? 01:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Tell you what I'll do, I'll leave it a couple of weeks and come back to it. If nobody has reviewed it in a couple of weeks I'll see if I can find anything out about this person that would be worthwhile adding to his page. If someone else has started reviewing it then I'll see if I can help with working it up to GA status.
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Thank you for the review. I've already been to work on the lead, using Hancock and Titanic as guides. Oh, and a user added an edit to the page, despite the {{inuse}} tag being displayed. I thought that message was large enough to notice, but apparently not. - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I've been working through your comments and, hopefully, I've followed them correctly. I'm just about to tackle the scary looking cast section. - JuneGloom07Talk? 18:18, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, when you have a spare minute would you have a look at Inglourious Basterds for me? I've been working through your list. I'm just trying to work out how much info needs to be removed from the characters section. - JuneGloom07Talk? 19:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for telling me about using the semicolon, it's made everything look a lot better. I was just wondering if you think the Rod Taylor information in the cast list is too long? I've been through the rest of the list and have cut down the info, so it looks much better. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi HJ, I see you've been busy today. When you have a spare moment (doesn't have to be tonight!) would you care to add a little more to the GA review. Thank you. :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
It'll be tomorrow morning now, I'm afraid. I'm just kind of knocking around checking my watchlist for a few minutes then I'll be going to bed! I'll take a good look at the article tomorrow, though, and see what I can add to the review. All the best, HJMitchellYou rang? 23:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey! On a completely unrelated note to I B, if I wanted to submit an article about a fashion designer to GA, which category would I submit it under? I thought it might come under Arts or Social Sciences and Society, but I'm not sure. - JuneGloom07Talk? 19:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, that's a slightly random question and, unfortunately, my answer is "I haven't got a f**king clue!". I can't remember the last time someone asked me a WP-related question that I couldn't answer! What I suggest you do is list it under "miscellaneous" and then leave a note on WT:GAN asking someone more knowledgeable than I to find a better home for it! I'm sorry I've not been able to get to Inglourious..., I suddenly seem to have become rather busy on-wiki (there's a whole load of shit about to hit a very big fan with old unreferenced BLPs) but I'll get to it as soon as I possibly can! HJMitchellYou rang? 21:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. I'm not going to list it yet as it still needs a little work, but I'll follow your advice when I do. That's fine about Inglourious..., I have some other articles I can work on. Hope everything works out okay with those unreferenced BLPs. :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
You and me both! Thankfully, none of them are "mine" (I reference mine!) but we have 53,000 pages and a group of admins willing to obliterate the lot of them, hundreds of suggestions, proposals, ANI threads, an ArbCom case and now an RfC! This could be a long night. I just hope people remember the old wisdom about babies and bathwater and what a f**cking mess this could turn into! Haha! If you get bored, you could lend a hand- pick an article from Category:Unreferenced BLPs, if it's notable and verifiable, add a few sources, remove the tag, if not prod it or AfD it. All the best anyway, and I'll get to Inglourious tomorrow hopefully! HJMitchellYou rang? 22:38, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Inglourious... has been semi-protected due to some vandalism today. I also, finally, found a ref that I was looking for, which means the Exhibition section is now referenced. My User page was vandalised sometime this morning, and I see your talk page was vandalized a few minutes ago, but the editor removed their edit. Is today vandalism day or something? - JuneGloom07Talk? 17:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
I saw on my watchlist! My talk page vandal was irritating- I was in the middle of something when I got an orange bar only to get her and find it's some idiot playing silly buggers! I think it's because I nominated his article for speedy deletion (Well, if you will write stupid articles...!) *Grumbles*. You get used to the userpage vandalism- I got one the other day. Evidently some people have nothing better to do! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Afternoon, everything okay with you? This is another unrelated question to IB, but I didn't want to create another section. Yesterday I went and found references for the peak chart positions of Paloma Faith's singles, I wanted to put a stop to the constant number changing without any proof. I left a message on the talk page telling everyone what I'd done and why. I've just logged on today to find an IP had removed them all, I was just wondering if I had got it wrong and shouldn't have added them? I couldn't find a place on WikiProject Musicians to ask, so I thought I'd ask you. Hope you don't mind. - JuneGloom07Talk? 13:30, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Why would I mind? You can ask me anything you like and I've been asked much stupider questions! I've just got "back" from ArbCom (a place I normally make a point of avoiding!). One of the less enjoyable areas of the wiki. BLPs again in case you hadn't guessed! *Grumbles*. Anyway... If you have a reliable source (for music, from my GAN experience, I'd go with the UK Official top 40, Billboard, etc) which gives the most recent chart position or the peak, then that's the figure you should use. It may be that other editors haven't seen what you put on the talk page, so, assuming you have a source like that, revert the IP (per WP:BRD) and put a hidden comment (<!-- -->) next to the number. If you're reverted, take it to the article's talk page and leave a note on the IP's talk page to let them know. Any help? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 13:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, that was a help. I had to go through all sorts of music charts, including one's in German and Swedish, to get those numbers. It might make the table look a little unsightly, but there's now proof of where those numbers have come from, which is surely a good thing? I have a BLP to upload onto Wikipedia at some point, don't worry though, I'll make sure it's referenced! - JuneGloom07Talk? 13:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Any time. It's definitely a good thing- you can't "over-reference" information, especially not important figures! Let me know when you save it and I'll patrol it for you and stick it on my watchlist. I came across Nadine Garner yesterday trying to reference some BLPs. It'd been sat there for over 3 years and I did a little digging and found she's actually very notable- she's been in a few major Australian dramas and had guest appearances on Neighbours and The Bill! Never ceases to amaze me what you find on here (and what some people would delete on sight!). HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 14:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
An editor added citation needed tags to the lead of the Inglourious... article, I've removed them as the information is in the article and reading WP:LEAD it says to 'avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material'. I also removed the refs they added as they are already in the article and infobox. I just want to make sure I'm right in removing them or have I got it worng? - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to upload my new article in a few minutes, it's called Gabby Young and Other Animals, if you would like to patrol it for me. I see that an article of the same name was created before and deleted as it didn't have sufficient references. I think my one will be okay though. - JuneGloom07Talk? 16:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Alright, let me know. I checked- the old deletion was PROD so you should be OK. If you're thinking of creating an article (for future reference) that was speedy deleted, it's usually a good idea to contact the admin who deleted it. I'll keep an eye on the new pages for it. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm in two minds whether to create the article now. It's got references for everything, but the albums she and her band have released haven't charted, so I'm wondering if she fails WP:MUSIC? I think I might leave it a while and just concentrate on getting Inglourious Basterds to GA status. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Probably a good idea- if you're anything like me, you'll end up losing track if you create hundreds of subpages! I've got 4 so far, plus talk archives...! I've given you some more advice at the GA review- you need to trim that plot summary and you need more references is about the size of it at the minute. There's not much wrong with the minutiae, but those are some pretty glaring problems. :( HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for that. I've been reading many film Good and Featured articles to get an idea of what the plot should contain, so I hope to tackle the plot tomorrow. I've read WP:FILMPLOT and the maximum the summary can be is 700 words, so I think I have 100 or so to cut. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
It may be slightly misleading to do things by word count. They're not supposed to be hard and fast rules, rather general guidelines which should be applied with a pinch of salt and some common sense. Essentially, you need to give a concise summary of the main events of the film (difficult, I know, it's a Tarantino film!). 2 or 3 paragraphs should do it but again, not a hard and fast rule. What I would say is you should take a look at it and if you think you can be more concise or you can omit something that isn't essential, then trim it some more. I'll take a look at a more sociable hour! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 01:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
When you have a spare minute, would you check out my sandbox and have a look at the I B plot I've been working on? Oh, I rescued a BLP from deletion today, felt a little proud of myself when the PROD tag was removed. - JuneGloom07Talk? 17:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
You might want to start a new section below for the reply to this- this page is getting quite long again! I took a look and it's certainly taking shape. It will need more references, though and if you could trim it by another 5-10 lines, it would be much better. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
ITN for Cadbury plc
On 19 January 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Cadbury plc, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.
It appeared to be a company/ organisation name. They hadn't edited when I filed the report, but I thought it was worth a look. Thanks for stopping by and apologies if I wasted your time. HJMitchellYou rang? 22:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I added your signature to that comment, I assume you accidentally hit five tildes instead of four. I was just puzzled by seeing only a date; I didn't know you could do that until I looked into it! Anyway, this is just a courtesy message since I altered your comment. Glenfarclas (talk) 03:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh, cheers, yeah, I must have hit 5! Oops! One of those funny things in the software (3 gives your sig without a date). I constantly find it does things I didn't know about! Thanks for adding it anyway, and thanks for letting me know. HJMitchellYou rang? 12:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
When you seconded the prod, you were right in saying that having a book published is not enough to establish notability. However, the easiest of Google News searches reveals immediately that the book has been reviewed at least a half a dozen times in notable newspapers, and that is enough to establish notability. I wish you had looked for those references before you seconded the prod of someone who is obviously notable. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 05:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
HJ, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh--but I really wanted to go to bed last night, and I got dragged along in this BLP mess, trying to save a couple of them (and speed other on towards extinction). My apologies for my tone, and take care, Drmies (talk) 19:12, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
You know, I feel almost guilty, since yesterday I quit doing BLP work, and instead worked on bacon and bourbon. No, you're not the only one--look at the pages for the Article Rescue Squad, the discussions on ANI, ArbCom's involvement, etc. And I to feel torn: I hate unverified stuff, especially BLPs, and it IS the author's responsibility to source--but at the same time, I also feel the obligation to check available sources before I let them go towards oblivion. Anyway, thanks for your good work, and for your note--and please do let me know if I screw up somewhere. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
It is the author's responsibility, certainly, but we can't hold them to standards that didn't exist when many of these articles were created. However, many of these articles have other problems- many subjects aren't notable, and if we have no idea where it came from, the information in them could be a copyvio. That said, many of them are easily sourced with 5 minutes' work and PRODding so many at a time that nobody can keep up is absurd! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 18:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar
re: our insightful conversation on my talk page.[2]
The Original Barnstar
This barnstar, the first on Wikipedia, is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated.
RE: "Even though I almost always seem to disagree with you, I admire all the hard work you put in to whatever controversy seems to be engulfing Wikipedia this week!"
I think you articulate your points well (even if I almost always disagree with them!) and you work hard to preserve content which, while over cautious sometimes, is usually a good thing. It's nice to be able to disagree with somebody but still have an insightful, clueful debate rather than resorting to incivility and badgering people who disagree with you. As for CoM, I don;t know him very well (except the occasional controversy at ANI) but he seems a good guy who does a lot of good for the project but, er, has a habit of inflaming situations and is one of many editors who probably needs to quite while they're ahead! I don't know anybody who doesn't get themselves overly worked up sometimes (take my RfA for example!). It's ironic that these BLPs have been sat around for over 3 years and only when they're being deleted do they attract attention! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 18:30, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you HJ Mitchell. We both agreed on RFA Everyking.[3]
I was initially support then switched to neutral on your RFA,[4] I see I argued and continue to argue with your nominator *sigh*
We both supported RFB Juliancolton, [5] and RFA Franamax.[6]
I have learned in the past 6 months that a persons support base can change dependant upon the subject. Take flagged revisions, I am incrediby opposed, as I don't trust admins to be impartial whatsoever, but User:WereSpielChequers started the petition. Yet I interviewed him as the featured admin for the just released Article Rescue Squadron Newsletter. Fram is another case, we are so dyametrically opposed as far as content goes, but we found common ground in trying to agressively get an editor blocked.
Your a good, solid, honest editor. I know RFA #2 will be a success.
"It's ironic that these BLPs have been sat around for over 3 years and only when they're being deleted do they attract attention!"
That will be the ultimate demise of WP:incubator and why WP:Article Rescue Squadron works. Nothing like the threat of deletion to get editors attention.
I would find going through those articles to be very frustrating. 50,000? That is why I no longer participate in AFDs much. Articles that get tagged for WP:Article Rescue Squadron are so arbitrary, as editors try to fix 15-30 articles in a week, 800 articles in AFD alone are being deleted. Yes, many of these articles are dubious. But 76.5%, of all articls which are put up for deletion were created by editors who had 350 contributions or less,[14] and "a lot of good work—verifiable, informative, brain-leapingly strange—is being cast out of this paperless, infinitely expandable accordion folder by people who have a narrow, almost grade-schoolish notion of what sort of curiosity an online encyclopedia will be able to satisfy in the years to come."[15]IkipFrank Andersson (45 revisions restored):an olympic medallist for f**k's sake19:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Wow! I actually agree with a large part of that! As I recall, you switched your !vote in my RfA per WereSpielChequers (whom I've yet to have the pleasure of properly "meeting") but I've noticed, as recently as just a few hours ago (I have a very diverse watchlist!) that you and Coffee don't always see eye to eye! I think he means well and I've always respected him (I was shocked when he offered to nominate me) but I don't condone any of the incivility that went on at my RfA (thankfully it was much less of a dramafest then some I've seen).
I'm the first to admit that the system isn't perfect but there is a lot of crap on here and Wikipedia isn't supposed to be an indiscriminate collection of information- take these BLPs. Of the ~53,000 that we had, many have problem after problem, starting with notability. Some are notable- I've posted to several WikiProjects asking for help referencing some BLPs, upgraded a few PRODs to AfDs, referenced a few myself and I'm doing what I can to weed out what has the potential to be a properly referenced, verifiable article, but some of these have just been created and abandoned with nothing but formatting and categorisation etc since 2007 which, in itself, says something about notability (or otherwise). Btw, who was the olympic medalist you refer to in your sig? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
My biggest concern in all this is that we are rewarding disruptive behavior.
I spent a lot of time in AFDs at one point and I would just cringe at some of the articles out there. 19:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
So whats the catch?
You are being so nice to me, my paranoid senses are tingling. :) long policy conversations are the norm. recipicol barnstars are uncommon, but not suprising. But lavish praise for my idea from anyone, such as you made today? simply unheard of. You are to good to be true. :)Ikip22:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
That's what you get for coming up with a good idea! Don't make a habit of it though- Iif I agreed with you all the time, we wouldn't get the insightful conversations! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Choi Hyunmi
With the additional references, especially the New York Times, I would have removed it myself. Done that a few times over the years, too. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Like I said, at the time you tagged it, there wasn't an assertion of significance so you were right to tag it, I just thought I'd back up 99.156.69.78's notification that they removed the tag. Thanks for stopping by. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Imagine my surprise, too. I was not expecting to find sources supporting the subject of what appeared to be such an unpromising start. Thanks to you both for keeping an eye out, and for allowing me time to find sources. 99.156.69.78 (talk) 20:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission has been called "unfathomable", a "bigger power grab than Bush vs. Gore", and in the case of Mark Shields, the "[biggest in his lifetime]". The OSCE has condemned it; analysts have hypothesized that the new protections will almost certainly enable corporations to legally utilize strong-arm tactics; and the president himself has personally blasted it. Would you perhaps be willing to reconsider your opposition before it is too old for ITN inclusion? — C M B J05:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries. It's up now (I thought it might go up) and I've put the templates on the talk pages. I'm just glad the discussion was more civil than the one over the election. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Never will happen
RE: your comments on the RFC.
its not going to happen, many editors here have "authority" issues, in which they enjoy demanding telling other editors what to do, never doing the work themselves. "It is my way, or the highway." what the New York Times Review of Books and PCPRO magazine call "bullies".
I am not being factious, just honest, for years I have asked the same thing, for years I have seen other editors ask the same thing.
Many editors here contributions consists almost entirely of deleting other editors contributions, rarely if ever do they discuss the proposed deletion first or attempt to find references to the articles they delete.
The same tired response will be "your not helping the situation", "we are all wikipedians" but this is ignoring the underlying reality, the underlying problem. which never helps. Ikip02:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I can hope! Maybe my rant will inspire one or two sensible editors to take a look (how many of them actually know that when you slap a template on it it adds it to a category?). What was the expression you used? Rearranging the furniture while the house is burning or something along those lines! That's basically what all these people are doing at the RfC! I felt like saying "get off your lazy arses and try to find some f**king sources!" but that would make me part of the dramafest! As if to illustrate my point though, I came across this- a former head of government and a state's first elected leader! 5 minutes of careful searching and I can find a news source for that as opposed to spending 5 seconds prodding it then moving on to the next! *Deeeeeeeep breath* *breathe in**breathe out*... Do I really have to clean out 50,000 articles all by myself?!?! Well, 49,196. Soon to be 49,195... HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 02:42, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Neighbours edits
Hi HJ
Can you please take a look at the Neighbours article when you've got a sec please? Someone edited it today to take out info that they say belongs on the actors pages. It's under the notable cast section and they've taken out what the actors have been in since Neighbours or what they've moved on to. It's just I thought that was there to at least partly explain why they're notable. I was just going to revert it but thought I'd get yours and June's opinions first of all.
Hey! Nice to hear from you! I undid the edit in question with an edit summary of "a concise summary of their work before and after Neighbours is fine and appears in many other film and television series GAs" which I think is accurate. Admittedly, most of my GA reviews are in the "music" section but that's how Hamiltonstone told us to do The Bill and it's how I've seen several others done. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 13:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
yeah, I was gonnna say I remember writing The Bill's that way! Thought I'd get a third opinion though as I didn't want to assume bad faith. I see that Susan Bowers sister died the other day of cancer. So sad :(, her sister was Lynn Bayonas, who was also a TV producer and writer and who also doesn't have a Wikipedia article. Am thinking of setting one up for her. How are you? --5 albert square (talk) 22:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
If she's notable then go for it! I'm sure the editor was acting in good faith and I know The Bill's was done like that- I spent many, many hours trawling the internet to verify that information! I'm not too bad. Trying to avert the deletion of 50,000 articles (no, I didn't type an extra zero!) and generally trying to keep the place tidy, not to mention writing about homicidal maniacs executed in Iraq! It took them 4 years to sentence him to death (for the 4th time!) but only 8 days to hang him! Where've you been hiding then? I've not seen you on my watchlist and I have a big watchlist! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 23:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Well she should be, she was a producer/writer since the 1960s. There's quite a lot of info on her at IMDB, just in the middle of sifting my way through it! I'm also watching the Heather Trott page for edit warring. Oh I've been about, mainly doing reverts on Huggle! Did you see the vandalism to my userpage yesterday? Unbelivable! --5 albert square (talk) 23:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
June mentioned it. You get used to it! Mine's been vandalised quite a few times (and my talk page a few more times!). Best to just ignore it, unless they're really making a nuisance of themselves, and laugh it off. I've been new page patrolling on and off- found a charming attack page earlier today. Why the edit warring? Don't people have anything better to do?!?! And it's always over something really pathetic! If you want some funny vandalism, add R.D. Reynolds and Jared Fogle to your watchlist and watch it pile in! I've never heard of either of them, but there are some pretty persistent IPs who seem to have a grudge. Oh, and Rafael Nadal but he's protected atm! Any more GAs planned for the near future? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 23:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah yeah, I mostly just laugh it all off. Yeah, the edit warring at Heather Trott was a bit weird, the best thing is one of the editors told me off for reverting her edits, er I reverted the edits because I couldn't find that wording in the article that she quoted. So I reverted it to be on the safe side. Only did it once, there was a couple of mods that did it waaaayyyy more times, but do you think she moaned that they were reverting her edits? No! Nah, no GA's planned for a bit, very busy at work atm so when I'm coming home at night, I really am just wanting to chill out on Wikipedia! Though I will look at yours again in a week or so to see if there's anything I can do. I might have to look for some other refs for The Bill, I tried to get on to The Bill Bios the other night to check out something, but the page wouldn't load. Might just be some maintenance work at their end which is why I'm leaving it for now. I'll go back again in a couple of days, if it's still the same I'll mail them ask them where the heck they've put it! --5 albert square (talk) 21:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Bloody vandals! Some people have nothing better to do with their time. But then, some people spend their time trying to get articles on former Hungarian prime ministers deleted! I swore very loudly at my laptop when I saw that! I'm working on Michael Wood (lawyer) atm. He was on the news earlier because he testified to The Iraq Inquiry and after some digging through disambigs and redirects, it turned out he didn't have a WP article. Funnily enough, that's exactly how I ended up creating Tim Cross! Tony Blair's testifying in a few days so there'll probably be a shitload of vandalism and the general trolling (in another words, yet another fat mess for me to clean up!!) assuming WP trolls watch the news. I tell you what, I'll run a new google news search for the Bill when I have time- I've just updated Lily Cole after doing that! Did you get anywhere with those edits to Neighbours? I saw he reverted me (again!) and, like I say, I have a dozen better things to do than get caught up in an edit war! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
(undent) I started up a discussion on the Neighbours talk page but I didn't invite those editors to join in. If they're regular contributors to the page they should have the talk page on their watchlist anyhow. Thanks for looking for The Bill, it might be that they've just moved it somewhere else to confuse us! --5 albert square (talk) 22:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Well now I'm thinking about The Bill, I'll do a search anyway- you never know what you'll dig up like certain, ahem, "politicians" suing for supposed defamation! It's been a while since anything substantial was added to the article and I could do with something to get my teeth into rather than wikignoming, which I quite like doing but it gets boring after a while, as does trawling through the internet to source BLPs. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 00:09, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey, just thought I'd ask to see if you remember. When The Bill was going for GA, can you remember why Hamiltonstone wanted the refs at the end of sentences before the punctuation full stop? It's just at Talk: Neighbours one of the editors has insinuated that The Bill should not have passed GA because of this. I've posted back suggesting that he contacts Hamiltonstone to see why this was requested but thought I'd also ask you in case you remembered. In my opinion that would be an extremely petty reason to challenge it's GA status --5 albert square (talk) 21:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
That was my call, not Hamiltonstone's- the guidelines aren't clear in the area but WP:FOOT allows for them to go before the punctuation. Most articles do it the other way, but that's how I personally like to do it- I've done it at Andy Hayman which is on DYK atm and most of the other 21 articles I've created use that format. It's not a GA issue- even if it wasn't in compliance with the MOS, GAs don't have to comply with all the nitty gritty (which, if you've ever looked at the MOS, there is a lot of!). As for the vandal, I hope you reported them- that's a personal attack and a threat of violence- I've seen people indef'd for less than that. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, I just looked briefly at The Bill's GA 'to do' list again tonight and I accidentally picked up the suggestion as Hamiltonstones. Why are some folk so picky though?
Yeah I did report that user. They vandalised after a final warning to someones user page. The editor that undid that didn't report him for whatever reason so I did and mentioned that I'd been threatened with violence from the editor - they got blocked for 31 hours, so this time tomorrow they will be free to edit Wikipedia again --5 albert square (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
That pisses me off! Some of the worst trolling on here comes from IPs but the blocks they get are pathetically short! I understand why- one person being blocked for another's "crimes" but it still pisses me off! Making a threat of violence and a personal attack like that is disgusting and vandalising an article to do it...! One of many things that makes me think an account should be required for editing but "the powers that be" and the majority of the community will disagree with me. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah me too! If it was down to me and I saw someone making a threat like that I'd block them for way longer. Never mind, I've added that person to my watchlist now, I will keep an eye on them. Full of the damn cold tonight :( --5 albert square (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
ANI
Collapsing areas that you call unhelpful bickering where users have posted comments recently is disruptive. What makes your opinion all high and mighty? Joe Chill (talk) 14:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Excuse me? AGF? It was nothing more than unhelpful bickering and, at best, the wrong venue. Focusing on this controversial proposal or the other detracts from the issue at hand and should be avoided. Labelling my edits "disruptive" is uncivil. i suggest you keep a check on your temper. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 14:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Something that you think is unhelpful bickering doesn't automatically mean that is. And do you really think that is the best thing to call the comments of editors acting in good faith? Joe Chill (talk) 15:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
What would you call a series of proposals about banning someone from prodding and a retaliatory proposal to ban someone from removing prods? That sort of discussion does nothing to help the BLP situation nor to help resolve the issue with Unitanode's allegedly excessive prodding. I felt it was better for all if the discussion could focus on the issue at hand and hopefully find an agreeable solution rather than degenerating into bickering and the pathetic inclusionism/deletionism row. I'm sorry you disagree but you surely cannot believe that the discussion going on there was helpful? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The only thing that I call nonsense is the Ikip proposal. The reason for the whole discussion was because of Uni's prods which would be the issue at hand. Uni starting a proposal for Ikip was plain disruptive (I think that you would agree that's an alright time to use the word). I'm fine with the Ikip proposal being collapsed because that would be non-controversial. If you want the first discussion closed, I just would like you to get consensus because it isn't a non-controversial close with editors in good standing participating there. Joe Chill (talk) 15:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
That's fair enough. It was my opinion that it was better to collapse both so as not to give the impression of favouring one side. It's my opinion that neither proposal is particularly helpful but by all means collapse the latter and not the former if you think that's the best course of action. Best, HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
ITN
On 25 January 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Ali Hassan al-Majid, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.
Hello HJ Mitchell. You are receiving this notice because you have either supported or posted constructive suggestions during my recent self-nominated RFA, submitted on 18-01-2010. Please do spend a few minutes to read my comments on the nomination, and feel free to respond on the relevant talkpage for any further comments or questions. Thank you for participating. Regards. Rehman(+)15:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
That'll do. It's long but it's not wildly excessive. Obviously you'll need a few more refs in there but it's getting there! I'm not too far away if you need me, just giving Lily Cole a facelift (the article, not the woman- she doesn't need it!) and then I might pick a stub (probably another female actress!) from my to-do list and try to expand it so just yell if you want me to look at something. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 00:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I've changed the plot in the article. When you say it'll need more refs in there, you're still talking about the plot, right? It's just that all of the plot summaries I've seen don't seem to contain refs. Titanic only has one, Hancock and 300 (which is an FA) have none. Am I missing something there? - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I stand corrected. My apologies. I knew there was a reason I usually took my GA reviews from the music section! Never mind. As long as what you're saying is concise (and I notice the plot section for 300 is longer than I would have made it) and uncontroversial, I can't argue. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 01:03, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
That's okay. It has references for the chapter titles, the name of the propaganda film and the quote, which I think are the important bits mentioned. I'll start work on finding more references for the article tomorrow. I'm a little worried that some of the refs come from a Tarantino fansite, is that going to be a problem? - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
That seems fair enough to me. I think the article as a whole will need a bit if an overhaul when it comes to references. Check the sources you have to see if you can use them to verify anything else and, like I suggested a while back, a search of Google's news archives is often very productive (how do you think I got Lily to GA? Or The Bill for that matter!). HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 01:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I blame you for the two notices I have on my talk page about the deletion of a BLP that I helped reference, lol. To be honest I don't really mind what happens to it, I only added the references to help out with the back log. I struggled to find the four references I did for it, but if someone else can find more, that aren't from fansites, then I might change my vote at the AFD page. :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh dear. It seems you're finding out that "unsourced" is often indicative of "non notable". Some are clearly notable, though. The problem is, this is all moving far too quickly. Even Jimmy Wales (whom some Wikipedians regard in equal measure to God) suggests taking as much as 9 months to clear out the category but some people are thinking of a timescale closer to 9 hours. *Continues to grumble*. Don't be put off by it though- if it doesn't look notable, PROD it. If you want wider input, you can take it to AfD (don't be scared to de-prod and take it to AfD). HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 01:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Welcome the new editor with {{subst:welcome2}} then slap them both with {{subst:uw-3rr|Mexicali}} then keep an eye on it and file a report at WP:ANEW if it continues. I'll stick it on my watchlist. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 18:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! I've never been involved with an edit war and tend to stay out of the way of them, so I wasn't entirely sure what to do there. - JuneGloom07Talk? 18:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries. I've seen a few but I also tend to stay away from them, though I did have the misfortune of being reported to ANEW after a misunderstanding a few months ago. I notice the other editor (not the new one) has previous warnings and blocks for edit warring and he's reverted again so that report might be in order.... HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The other editor has just contacted me saying that he's trying to get the page back to how it was. I think you're right about filing the report as they both seem to have reverted more then 3 times. - JuneGloom07Talk? 19:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Just going back to Inglourious for a second, should I remove the extra information from the cast section? Keeping it simple like 300? Is that what you meant in the GA review? - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
<--Just keep it concise- it's OK to elaborate a little. Keep it to the format you did Brad Pitt with. That one is about the right length but the next is probably too long. You might want to put critical reception in a dedicated section and you could bold the actor/ character names, but they're just things to consider. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Evening, have you had a good weekend? I now have someone to help me with the Inglourious article, MikeAllen. We've been talking about the cast section and I've been working on it in my sandbox. It's based on the layout of Precious, which is a recent GA. - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Good evening. Pleasantly uneventful, thank you- yours? Sounds like things are coming along. Do let me know if you need anything from me. My to-do list seems to have massively grown in size (what you get for reading a notable book by a notable person only to find that neither had a WP article!). If you fancy doing me a favour, you could patrol the article I'm about to create. This guy held the 3rd most senior policing role in the UK, overseeing the UK's counter-terrorist operations for 1 years before moving on to become an under-secretary general at the UN and nobody thought to write about him....!! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply, have been a bit distracted by Inglourious. My weekend was good. Saw a flock of Red-legged Partridges this afternoon, during a country drive. The bird watcher in me got a little excited, since I've never seen any before. Your to-do list is huge! Mine is tiny compared to it. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey. Everyone went a little crazy today updating the film articles with the Academy Awards nominations. Inglourious received eight noms, which I've mentioned in the article as well as updated its awards and nominations page. What have you been up to today? - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I noticed from my watchlist- which is now at 499 pages not including talk pages! I've been around but not very active. Dealt with a few vandals (you cropped up on my watchlist earlier- I think it was Johnny Depp...) and updated List of witnesses of The Iraq Inquiry. I'm considering adding "X gave evidence to The Iraq Inquiry on Y" to every article, but there are quite a few of them! I've also discovered one more notable person without an article- it doesn't take long if you poke around in certain areas! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Only one more article to take it to 500. Ah, the Johnny Depp vandal, they were adding their insightful comments to his list of films. You do find some weird vandalism sometimes. - JuneGloom07Talk? 23:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Oh yes! I actually don;t disagree with the point this one's trying to make, but I couldn't leave it there. He's a vandal magnet atm! As was Johnny Depp (until I put in a request at RPP- he's indef semi protected now)! It's funny the pages they pick- I had one a few days ago who was trashing old Current events portal pages! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 23:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
The article was de-prodded with the promise of looking for sources. Turns out, when I looked, a portion of the article is incorrect. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
From the page history, it appears I made one edit and that was t endorse the PROD. Not wishing to sound rude or abrupt, but that makes me wonder why you notified me. Thank you anyway, I'll take a look at the discussion but I have no strong opinion either way so I probably won't contribute since my PROD endorsement is in the history for the closing admin to see. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 18:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
HJMitchell, I'd go back and award ITN credit to User:Mjroots for that one, as well. I watched that article develop last night, and he did a great deal of the work as the story developed overnight. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I had some trouble finding someone to give the update credit to. I did look quite closely at Mjroots' edits, as well as those of one or two others but his appeared to be formatting and similar things rather than adding content. If you still think I'm mistaken, then, of course, I'll template him... HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Andy Hayman
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Hi, I'm restored the original version, user Talpis made such changes without any talk/discussion, apparently the account was created to make such changes in English and Spanish wiki, please check the user contributions--Jcmenal (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Now user made the changes again, could you please restore the original version before Talpis and myself started this conflict, and protect the page pls--Jcmenal (talk) 20:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I cannot protect the page because I am not an administrator and I won't because that would involve me in the edit war. I suggest you try starting a conversation on the talk page. I have extended the report to cover the other editor because they have now reverted since the warning. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Talpis is back to vandalizing the article again, this time using the alias Grifo17 . You have blocked him and I also have asked him to stop and please discuss why he wants to delete notable names of Mexicali's natives and past residents. He refuses to cooperate. I need your help again. Is there a way to lock the article?--XLR8TION (talk) 20:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
I'll keep an eye on it. I cannot block or protect anything because I'm not an administrator, but the admin who blocked Jcmenal and Talpis in the first place has blocked the new account indefinitely. I have the article on my watchlist, but if the problems resume, let me know and I can report it to an administrator and/or request the page be protected. Whatever you do, though, please don't repeatedly revert him- it might take a little longer, but wait for it to be dealt with. Best, HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 21:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Evening, just saw your name appear on the Recent changes list. I've pretty much been there all day. I feel kinda guilty that you're watching the Mexicali page indefinitely. That's the first and, hopefully, last time I get involved with an edit war. - JuneGloom07Talk? 21:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Don't! I currently have 462 pages on my watchlist excluding talk pages so it can join my collection- of those, I probably find less than half remotely interesting! The rest are mostly vandal magnets or other random pages that have found their way on there! Hopefully that'll be the last we see of this guy but given that he resorted to socking so quickly I doubt it...! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 21:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Wow, that's a lot of pages, I only have 64 on my watchlist. I've pretty much spent the day over at Recent changes trying to catch and revert vandalism. Had a little wander over to ITN though and supported the posting of J. D. Salinger's death. First time I've ever been there. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I like it over there- much more civilised than most other discussion venues on WP (DYK, AfD, RfA...) and you get to influence what goes on the Main Page. We could do with more regular contributors to the discussions there, so you could always stick it on your watchlist and chip in every now and again. I've not been as active there as I like to be over the last few days because I'm working pretty intensely on List of witnesses of The Iraq Inquiry and I keep getting sidetracked looking for a particular person on WP and either finding their article doesn't exist or is in a complete state! I'm about half way through and Tony Blair's due to testify today/tomorrow (Friday). That should be interesting! Oh, and I have 464 on there now! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 00:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
ITN did seem to be more civilised, so I think I'll go back again. It's been a quiet day for my watchlist, there hasn't been any vandalism apart from Inglourious and I completely missed that. Makes me wonder where all the vandals are lurking, especially the ones who add false info to the Neighbours cast list. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Re:Crown copyright
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I really don't think I will ever fully understand some admins.
On WP:AIV before cos I am full of the cold, couldn't get to sleep and was bored on Wikipedia so thought I would see if I could lend a hand. One report I checked, the user had been blocked for 3 months for making disruptive edits and was back making the same edits. So report to WP:AIV was genuine so I left alone for admin to deal with.
Went back later on to check on a report I'd made, found the same case still lying there with a note from an admin saying that the user hadn't edited since final warning so no further action would be taken. So I decide to pop in a note stating the user had just come off a ban within the last 24 hours and that they have made 10+ edits to pages today, none of them constructive. Did they get blocked then? Er, no!! They got a final warning. Dunno about you but I really don't understand the logic in all that! --5 albert square (talk) 06:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
AIV never ceases to amaze me. I think the problem is more with AIV itself than it is with the admins who man it. Vandals are given too many chances and too many warnings and the blocks doled out to some IPs are pathetically short (recalling our previous chat about a 31 hour block for a personal attack and threat of violence) and there are too many procedures to follow. There's nothing for us humble rollbackers to do but keep reverting, warning and reporting. If you get something particularly unpleasant- an especially unpleasant personal attack; legal threats; threats of violence- you can take it to ANI which has more teeth but we just have to put up with the petty vandals. Give a nice concise comment in your AIV reports- something like "persistent vandal continuing after release of block" rather than the automated messages Huggle and Twinkle generate. If you disagree with an admin's decision (particularly length of block) you could take it up on their talk page and argue your case and then take it to AN or ANI if you get nowhere and you feel that strongly. It's the price we pay for editing Wikipedia. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 06:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hopefully I came from where most of us do. Know what you mean about nocturnal, more common among Australian species than other places, I think. Haven't been editing much last real work was the Patrick_McGorry article, mostly Ref Desk since. I did stumble across a hoax, though there is this "Happy Remote Control Day" and this! but not supported by the ref. and the date was wrong! Only 2 edits (damned anon IPs!) both BS. Think I might drop a comment on the relevent notice board?--220.101.28.25 (talk) 07:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Not worth it (see thread above!)- if they've only made 2 edits, nobody'll do anything! That's pretty mild compared to some of the stuff you see on the new pages- I came across somebody trying to push "Bulksmas", his made up festival, on WP! I think people get it confused with Mysoace! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 07:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hokay, bow to your experience. But I have to go Neighbours is on! Just kidding, it was on the TV (07:30 - 08:00 UTC) but I rarely watch it, unless there's a new babe actress to see!? Let you get on with the work, but do try to get enough regular sleep! (I haven't been! You're lucky it's not so sunny there, bet it's just coming up?) Remember your studies too or this may be a problem! Later! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 08:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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Yes. In a word. Do you mean to say it doesn't have one already? That's certainly a claim to notability. I expect it'll end up on ITN- participation there isn't high and 2 editors + the nom ought to be sufficient if nobody objects. If you create it, you might be able to see your article on the Main Page (I've had 10 on there and I still get excited!)! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I've just had a search and can't find an article on it. Though there is a sculpture by a different artist with the same name. I'll create the article now and call it L'Homme Qui Marche I (that's the name on all the news sites), please feel free to help me out with it. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
So I see- I went to patrol it but was beaten to it so I stuck it on my ever-growing watchlist! Btw, I don't know if you use any fancy tools in your editing, but you might find the refToolbar useful if you don't already have it- it makes referencing a bit quicker! Do you need anything from me with L'Homme Qui Marche I? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 23:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Morning. Quick question, do you think I should have called the L'Homme Qui Marche I article by it's English name (Walking Man I)? I saw that all the news sites were calling it by its French name, so I went with that. There's already an article called The Walking Man, which made me think that there shouldn't be two articles of the same name. I was just wondering as someone asked about it on the article's talk page. - JuneGloom07Talk? 12:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I saw that post on the talk page. My strong inclination would be to leave it where it is. My knowledge of the naming conventions is vague but an article should be at the least ambiguous title and at that by which it is most commonly known. Since there is already a similar work at a similar English-translated title and at least one other article named "The Walking Man", I would leave it where it is. I note that the German and Polish Wikipedias have it at the French title, though I wouldn't be too surprised if they copied you. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 13:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
No worries. Besides, it's probably not a good idea to go moving pages around while they're on the Main Page if you don't need to. Morning, contrary to popular belief, is a state of mind. Or it is if you're a student, anyway! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 13:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't planning on moving it, I just wanted to know if I should of named the article by it's English name. Ha ha, I think I'm still half asleep. I should probably stay away from editing for a while, incase I make any mistakes. - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:26, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I've just seen the image that was uploaded to the article and I believe that it is not the same sculpture that was sold at auction. The sculpture in the picture doesn't look like it's made of bronze. I have read that there are a few versions of the sculpture around though, so I think it could be one of those. Is there a place to go to query this? - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I have no idea, tbh. the beeb have a photo but it's a different angle. Ask the editor who added/uploaded it where they go it and if they're sure it's the same statue is all I can suggest. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 21:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
This is the picture I've been looking at, [17] and I don't think they match. The one in the article looks a lot lighter. I'll ask the editor who uploaded the image anyway. Thank you. - JuneGloom07Talk? 21:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I put the two side by side in different browser windows and looked at them pretty thoroughly. The only inconsistencies that are noticeable (to someone who knows sweet fa about images etc) could, as far as I know (previous qualifier applies) be due to differences in cameras or lighting in the room. I can't say conclusively, though. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I just want to make sure that the image was definitely of the sculpture mentioned in the article. I don't think that the piece has been exhibited outside like the one in the photo, would you put a rare bronze sculpture outside? I'll have to search through the sources, but I definitely read that there are a few versions of the sculpture around. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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I am enquiring as to why you are continuously reverting what I write on the West Buckland page with concern of the Houses. a swift reply would be very useful.
Many Thanks
??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.32.132 (talk) 19:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Because you were changing the code in the colour box templates and, at least when I was there, the house colours were as they are in the article currently:
Thank you for taking the time to weigh in on my RfA. It was successful, in that the community's wish not to grant me the tools at this time was honored. I'm taking all the comments as constructive feedback and hope to become more valuable to the project as a result; I've also discovered several new areas in which to work. Because debating the merits of a candidate can be taxing on the heart and brain, I offer this kitten as a low-allergen, low-stress token of my appreciation. --otherlleft12:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
By the morning I won't be surprised if it's been deleted! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 14:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Doing...
--220.101.28.25 (talk) 02:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Done- I think Anything else? — Cargoking talk 13:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
You are being so nice to me, my paranoid senses are tingling. :) long policy conversations are the norm. recipicol barnstars are uncommon, but not suprising. But lavish praise for my idea from anyone, such as you made today? simply unheard of. You are to good to be true. :)Ikip 22:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
