User talk:Gunmetal Angel/Archive 4

The Game of Life (album)

I changed my edit summary to "Removed unnecessary addition. Band name already in lead." this time. What I'm removing is the name of the band at the top of the Personnel section. The lead already clearly states this is an Arsonists Get All the Girls album, and since it isn't a split album, having the band name in the Personnel section is redundant and unnecessary, so I'm removing it. Hopefully this clears up any confusion regarding my "cleanup". MrMoustacheMM (talk) 15:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I removed it because it's a small title for what part of the personnel section of what it's describing, if the article for AGATG's second album does expand maybe someone would want to write the production part (such as who produced it, who did the album art... ect.), which is also supposed to be featured in the personnel section, that's what the small title was for, but I guess it's not needed now seeing how the band members are the only ones shown under personnel. -- GunMetal Angel 15:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Concern Korn

I would appreciate you use the talk page for this. This genre is always changed by various IPs and other users, I just left it as is.

Also, care to explain how Korn isn't metal?--猛禽22 ^•• 02:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Go to a concert, see Metallica or Slipknot people will mosh. Korn; they don't — it's as simple as that. Furthermore, to fully answer the question, the lead was already discussed; the IP adress that decided to ignore the hidden comment and change it would have to be the one to discuss it on the talk page, just because you agree with it, doesn't make it acceptable. • GunMetal Angel 07:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Defining metal doesn't revolve around moshing, it's about the music in general, personally, don't take it to great offense, but I don't care what these metalheads think, nu-metal and alternative metal is still a form of metal, and I've learned to live with that. I never saw any moshing in Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden, so are you saying they are not metal bands? Speaking of which, Korn and Slipknot aren't that different from each other, they are both classified as the same genre(s), and upon further notice, the head genre of Slipknot is heavy metal, not rock.

Now concerning the IP incident, it's not just 1 IP address, it's numerous. The page was locked twice because people were changing it to metal, and even then, it was still being changed around. So far, you're the only one opposing these changes.--猛禽22 ^•• 22:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Edits to my user page

Thanks for the help on my userpage. Sadly, I didn't even notice the differences until today, when I changed the quote. Thanks anyways! Lәo_(βǃʘʘɱ) 19:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, I guess. • GunMetal Angel 03:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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Delete it, I removed it off the article because I thought it was an alternate cover at first but then realized it was only part of the artwork that is included inside of the album. -- GunMetal Angel 17:25, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I put a speedy template on it. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 21:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. -- GunMetal Angel 21:38, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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Suicide Silence

I have quickfailed this Good Article Nomination, for the following reasons:

1. The lead section is virtually non-existent
2. There is almost no referencing, for all intents and purposes. Entire paragraphs are without references.

I feel that these problems are far too substantial to be easily fixed in a simple review; were it to go through the process, it would most likely still fail within a reasonable timeframe. However, I'd suggest correcting these faults and then re-nominating it (using the process at WP:GAN, since you seem to have missed a bit before) and giving me a poke on my talkpage; I'd be happy to review it. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 16:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

eMOTIVe

Hey Gunmetal Angel. There seems to be some confusion over the way this album is presented in MJK's article. You originally removed it per WP:CAPS, which doesn't apply. Most recently you're citing a guideline on trademarks as a reason to change the capitalization of this album. It's not a trademark and album names don't "change tomorrow". Lara ☁ 17:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

• Sigh* for one, WP:CAPS was a mistaken direct to the guideline I was trying to link to (when it was intended to be MOS:TM). But finally, Wikipedia doesn't really do funny capitalizations. And by "change tomorrow" I mean that the janky spellings that the marketing departments create can be completely different by the next day on a poster or an add for something, see MOS:TRADE. • GunMetal Angel 23:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I just explained why MOS:TRADE doesn't apply. We're not talking about a trademark. I also realize what you meant by "change tomorrow", which is why I noted that album titles don't change. eMOTIVe was released years ago, and it's still eMOTIVe. Trademarks and logos evolve with the brand. Albums don't evolve after release. What I asked for was the guidelines that deals with albums. If there isn't one, I'm changing it back. Lara ☁ 01:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

The Devil Wears Prada edits

Did you read WP:R2D or WP:DISAMBIG#Disambiguation_links? R2D states to 'not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken.' WP:DISAMBIG says that "on a primary topic page that has an associated disambiguation page [...] type 'This page is about TOPIC. For other uses, see ARTICLE NAME (disambiguation).' Please don't revert this again. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 20:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I understand it now and I reverted it once before only because I didn't. And furthermore believe me; I wouldn't re-revert something just for the sake of being stubborn. - GunMetal Angel 20:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I've talked to you before, but I wasn't sure if you were the person to do so. Not to be rude, but I thought you might start warring with me, as you once did with GaudiumInVeritate on I See Stars, resulting in full protection. Clearly, that was not something you often do, so I'll get that thought of you out of my head. Thanks for understanding. On a side note, I fixed the format of your editor review page. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 22:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I guess I owe you not one, but two thank yous! Haha. • GunMetal Angel 22:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy to help. Sorry about taking so long to get back to you. I was in the Bahamas. Also, once you answer those two questions, I'll be sure to review you. Feel free to review me here if you so choose. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 13:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Featured Article nomination of Killswitch Engage

Hello, I have nominated an article that you actively edit, Killswitch Engage, for Featured Article status. Feel free to contribute to contribute to the FA discussion or edit the article. Thanks, TheWeakWilled (T * G) 16:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Re your latest edit, shouldn't melodic metalcore still be considered a genre? Also I am working on a stylkes and lyrical themes section here if you wish to add to it. Thanks for working on the article! TheWeakWilled (T * G) 20:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism?

I noticed that you marked an edit to Silverstein (band)'s page as vandalism. I deleted the "emo" genre seeing as it didn't cite proper sources and the band themselves has stated that they are not. Honestly, I am the last person to vandalize Wikipedia. i find this accusation completely proposterous and offensive. --Stevedietrich (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Umm, pardon me; I'd like to apologize becasuse I've had a short fuse for the past few days and I've also mistaked your edit for vandalism because of the fact that what you removed is sourced properly and not only that but the agreement was reached on the Silverstein talk page thread that you started. I took your edit for vandalism for these reasons; because a genre can't be removed just because the band members deny it. All bands cry over what their genre is, so Silverstein is honestly no different. So to conclude this; the agreement has been reached AND it's sourced, please do not remove the genre again. • GunMetal Angel 23:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

System

Just so you know, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a deletion argument, and has nothing to do with modifying content. Just a heads up. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 17:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Owl City lead

Hey there, with regards to the {{Citation needed}} templates in the lead of Owl City, WP:LEADCITE states that the lead's content must be verifiable, and as far as I know, there is no guideline against references- or {{Citation needed}} tags- in the lead. Since there are no citations for particular bits of info, a) {{Citation needed}} tags can reflect this, or b) the material shouldn't be in the article (let alone the lead). Thoughts? -M.Nelson (talk) 04:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I've put "citation needed" templates in the lead before on articles (Metallica, being a good example) and they were reverted. Nothing against you, it's just as far as I know is that there's not supposed to be source citations in the lead, nor tags that are placed in the lead that are requesting to be replaced with a source citation. -- GunMetal Angel 18:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

From what I understand, citations are allowed in the lead (I can't find any policy that states otherwise), but some consider them to be ugly (if the information is sourced elsewhere, then sourcing in the lead is not required per WP:LEADCITE). I could see some people making this into an issue at Metallica as it is a featured article, but note that other featured articles such as Canada, Germany, and Radiohead all use citations in the lead. Either way, all material should be sourced or noted otherwise; if you feel that {{Citation needed}} tags are not appropriate for the lead, then the unsourced material should be removed (or sourced elsewhere). -M.Nelson (talk) 23:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

From what I already gathered information for; articles such as Metallica, Slipknot, Killswitch Engage and Despised Icon don't have sources in the lead for that reason. I think it may be mainly just for the article to look clean and in-shape. When reading the first few sentencences of an article, I think they figure they don't want people to see a lot of citations all over the place. And to answer further I think they didn't make it a real rule (but only said that they're not required in the lead) only due to them being suggestive on the matter. So yeah; keep the citations out the lead for Owl City's article; I already moved them over for that reason, and for the information as it is. I suggest to copy-paste (but not remove) the sentences that need the sources that are in the lead somewhere else in the body of the article and then put a "citation needed" tag on them. Agreed? • GunMetal Angel 02:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I can see your reasoning, but I still personally think that if a sentence has no citation, it is implied that it is correct (or, at least, sourced). If the same sentence is later noted with {{Citation needed}}, then the earlier use is mistaken as correct (sourced) when it is not.

Either way, it seems that the easiest solution would be to simply source the material further in the article, making me happy by fixing uncited bits, and you happy by not having citations in the intro. I for one would much rather put effort into an article than continue debating a relatively minor issue here. -M.Nelson (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

PS, I redid the insomnia bit so it's well sourced (and the lead is improved, in my opinion). As for the second paragraph, though all the info would be easy to source (it's all basically data), it would hamper readability (and go against the concept of the lead in the first place) to simply copy/paste the material further below for sourcing. Perhaps it could be moved below and sourced, and the lead could be rewritten to simply summarise the facts? -M.Nelson (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Tool Album Chain

Read WP:ALBUM formatting rules. Succession ignores compilations, live albums, EPs n such.Shaneymike (talk) 15:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The Rev

could you please tell me where it is that you know for a fact jimmy was married. Also why do you feel it is necessary to put who attended the funeral. It was private and it dosent do any good to tell who was there —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allcreatures (talk • contribs) 00:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I never knew he was maried, but the source on the article comfirms that he was. And furthermore, it doesn't matter if his funeral was "private", if there's the information placed at a reliable source, then that's valid and reasonable enough to add it to the article, you never had any reason or right to remove that content. I suggest you read WP:SOURCE. • GunMetal Angel 01:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Funeral for a Friend

Unless you plan on adding the genre sources into the article proper, they need to stay in the infobox. Don't remove sources entirely. BTW, you need to review the definition of "vandalism." 98.248.32.44 (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

If someone judges me and thinks I'm removing sources (even though I clearly moved them) then what would anyone assume that to be, helping? Furthermore; articles - professionally written ones at that - have their sources for their genres stated in the "musical style" sections, for example; see Tool (band), Metallica, Bullet for My Valentine, Killswitch Engage, Behemoth (band), Between the Buried and Me, The Black Dahlia Murder (band) and numerous others; it's senseless why you or anyone else would make a problem out of this. • GunMetal Angel 04:37, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the diff I saw didn't show that you'd moved them, just that you'd taken them out of the infobox. Sorry for the confusion. 98.248.32.44 (talk) 04:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

They're sourced under "musical style and influences", thanks for understanding. • GunMetal Angel 04:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding The Devil Wears Prada

My turn. How exactly was this edit vandalism? Yes, he should have read the talk page before adding Christian genres etc., but I think that he had good intentions. They have said that they are kind of Christian, but I don't know. Just wondering how this was vandalism. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 21:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

1. I hit that accidently, the "rollback [VANDALISM]" button kind of got in the way when I was fixing to actually revert it standardly. Secondly; he shouldv'e read the talk page; the TDWP article isn't like other articles; you can't just drop a genre with a source; I worked too hard on improving everything. TDWP has been comfirmed as a metalcore band, and even the article for "Christian hardcore" doesn't really say that it's its own genre, but more of saying that it refers to a hardcore punk or metalcore band that is dedicated to Christianity. • GunMetal Angel 21:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

1. Understandable. I've done that myself. 2. I mentioned he should've read the talk page, but he's a relatively new user. And I've been trying to help TDWP out since before I had a Wikipedia user page as well. This page does has a lot of Christian-genre adding, but I'm sure he wasn't thinking about looking at the talk page when he posted it. Sorry for the confusion about the vandalism tag. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 20:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

It's alright. And, Kev; I answered those questions a few weeks ago. - GunMetal Angel 20:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Haha I never noticed. I'll be sure to review once I get the time. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 20:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

File:James S. (The Rev).jpg

Pictures taken from general websites are not normaly in the public domian. Please don't claim they are.©Geni 21:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Err... okay; thanks for informing. • GunMetal Angel 01:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Bring Me the Horizon

You don't like them? --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 21:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I hate every last thing about them; they're a disgrace to metalcore. -- GunMetal Angel 21:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

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We Came as Romans

ok thats fine. i didnt know that. wheres the source for them being posthardcore/metalcore?

Killswitch Engage

I'm going to nominate this for FAC again. Do you wish to co-nominate? TheWeakWilled (T * G) 22:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure bro, but is there anything I need to do for it to be done? • GunMetal Angel 22:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit on Owl City

I wasn't trying to vandalise the article. The fact that he endorses on emo type music is wrong, and i was trying to remove it, but the stupid Wiki markup language for references screwed everything up. Dyl (talk)

No one is supposed to remove sourced content, it's always considered vandalism. And furthermore there was a clear notice NOT to remove any of those genres, I might also add it's also been complained about on the talk page numerous times as well. If you want to consider removal or additions of genres on musical articles then you're going to have to go to the talk page. - GunMetal Angel 17:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Justin bieber

Hi. I recently requested partial protection of the redirect Justin bieber because of excessive vandalism from anonymous IPs. Before it got to you, a helpful editor had changed the capitalization in the request to Justin Bieber, which, as you observed, is already protected. Would you consider protecting the redirect? Thanks in advance. Favonian (talk) 20:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, whoops I didn't see that, and I can't protect anything I'm not an admin. -- GunMetal Angel 21:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

OK. I see that you modified the RPP entry. Hope it passes this time ;) Cheers, Favonian (talk) 21:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yep, it should I also left a hidden comment for the entry next to it so that it won't happen again. -- GunMetal Angel 21:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

The Devil Wears Prada talk page edit

I don't see how you saw my edit request as promoting material or trying to use their page as a soapbox. My post wasn't worded as advertisement, and I was not promoting their forum. I was pointing out that it's subscription based. Not only is this extremely weird, but it contradicts what their name apparently stands for. If I worded it in an way that wasn't neutral, then please point this out. It seems unlikely that Wikipedia's policy is to never mention something that costs money. Using the band's forum sign up page was obviously a reference to what I was saying. If that is not allowed, that part can be omitted. (Jacob.Prinkey (talk) 00:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC))

Whoa, dood. I am so sorry... I misread your section, I thought it was advertising for their website. I appologize and I will restore your section on the talk page and remove the notice I placed on your talk page. • GunMetal Angel 02:06, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold

Hello, I am monitoring Avenged Sevenfold due to recent edit warring. In the mean time, please mind your use of Twinkle. In this revert, you removed quite a bit of text, none of which could be construed as vandalism. Twinkle should only be used to revert vandalism. It would also help my monitoring if you used edit summaries so I can tell what is being added and removed. Thanks. --Andy Walsh (talk) 19:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't only have to be removed as vandalism, if you'd see the diff on that and after that, I was removing in the unfactual statements for example, Avenged Sevenfold never has any ossciation with Papa Roach... ect. and that's what it was simply used for; it's putting things in shape. • GunMetal Angel 19:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

That is incorrect. From Wikipedia:Twinkle: "...to assist them in common Wikipedia maintenance tasks and to help them deal with acts of vandalism". Twinkle is not to be used for normal content edits or content disputes; in those cases, please use the undo function or just edit back to the desired version in the history. I'm not commenting on the validity of your edits—I'm only asking that you not use Twinkle in non-vandalism content disputes. Thanks. --Andy Walsh (talk) 20:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, fine. But Twinkle has an option to revert a row of edits and mark them as vandalism as well as an option for good faith and just generally rollingback, and if it was only used to revert vandalism why would it have these seperate options? Along with the fact that I've actually seen many users use the "restore this version" option for non-vandalism reverts as well. • GunMetal Angel 20:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

You have a point there. Maybe it's not an issue? I wonder if someone should change the Twinkle page to make it more clear. --Andy Walsh (talk) 20:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The Devil Wears Prada

Re this: Are we actually heading for the first Lame Edit War candidate from the disambiguation pages :-)? IIRC this has been going on in extreme slow motion for some time. Daniel Case (talk) 04:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

xD • GunMetal Angel 05:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Huh? Daniel Case (talk) 17:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: The Powerless Rise

If Category:Metalcore albums is not to be used, why does it exist and why do over one hundred album articles link to it? Instead of bickering over one album linking to this category that should not be used, delete the category. According to WP:ELNO official Myspace links are acceptable external links. Each article is to be treated as an individual article, and it should not be assumed readers either came FROM or will eventually link TO As I Lay Dying (band) for an external link. It contains relevant blogs about The Powerless Rise, as does the band's Myspace. According to WP:EL official websites are "provided to give the reader the opportunity to see what the subject says about itself." Since personal blogs are shunned by WP:RS, they become acceptable external links. Two sentences is not a paragraph. Especially when you are dividing up the information about the duration between albums. It may look sloppy, but that is just one paragraph. Maybe two if the personnel details is expanded upon. You are also introducing the time-sensitive phrase "to be." The Powerless Rise already is the fifth studio album, and the following sentence is already doing a perfect job of letting the reader know the album has yet to be released. It's also an extra thing that will need to be update once the album is released. Fezmar9 (talk) 04:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Between the Buried and Me

Hi. I recently did some changes in the line-up of BTBAM as 24.122.53.126 since I wasn't logged in. I just wanted to know why you reverted it. Actually, if you see the band live or if you watch their DVD, you would see that Paul Waggoner and Dan Briggs DO vocals in Selkies, Foam Born, Prequel To The Sequel, etc. Even on The Great Misdirect, Paul do lead vocals on some parts of Desert of Song.

Alien4ever —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alien4ever (talk • contribs) 16:02, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Also regarding — how my change can be considered vandalism I do not know as it was sourced but I have looked since and the page is in semi-lockdown so will not add anything even though it is sourced Syxxpackid420 (talk) 00:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

There was a hidden comment clearly stating not to edit anything in that section — also none of the genres you put there were sourced, sorry if your edit wasn't intended to be vandalism but that's the way it came off. • GunMetal Angel 02:26, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Diamond Eyes

Just curious, what guideline are you referring to in this edit here? Fezmar9 (talk) 22:54, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:WTA. • GunMetal Angel 01:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I do not see anything mentioning repetitive words in that guideline. Fezmar9 (talk) 13:42, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't know then - I just remember seeing it. • GunMetal Angel 19:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree with that stance, yet found it odd that there would be guideline for it. I am still interested in reading what Wikipedia has to say about that, so if you happen to chance by it in the near future, drop me a line! Fezmar9 (talk) 01:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing, bro. • GunMetal Angel 04:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Genre warring

Hey Angel, I saw you have reverted 75.1.88.7's efforts in the past, here. I've just reverted some of their edits to Red Hot Chili Peppers articles--this message is a word to the wise, I reckon. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 04:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:V and Underoath's MySpace blog entry as a source

from WP:V: Self-published sources (online and paper).

Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. However, caution should be exercised when using such sources: if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else is likely to have done so.

and from Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves

Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:

1. the material is not unduly self-serving;
2. it does not involve claims about third parties;
3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;
5. the article is not based primarily on such sources.

It trust that this satisfies your requirements. First-hand sources are preferred for information like this. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Despised Icon revert

I'd be interested to know why you chose to revert the information about Despised Icon's breakup. I presumed that, since Despised Icon itself was making the announcement - both through Facebook, their MySpace blog, and Twitter - it qualified as a primary source and sufficient under WP:SELFPUB. In that sense, I felt my edits were justified. If it's the quality of the edits that you're concerned about, perhaps we can work together on making a more parsimonious version of the announcement.

You could make the argument that, since they're doing one final tour, the breakup has not occurred yet, but the fact that the band has gone out and made a rather serious announcement - I think - qualifies it as information worth including.--WaltCip (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

This is my second time being gnawed on today for this matter (see the sect. above this), aparently self-published blogs can't be used as sources per WP:SOURCE but I didn't see that some of them can in some cases until I saw the message above this one, but all in all, I fixed it all up and added a better source. • GunMetal Angel 22:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks. :)--WaltCip (talk) 22:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Timeline

How is it angling the page off track? Everything looked fine. Specify why or I'll change it back. Fifthhorizon (talk) 05:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

There's a scroll bar at the bottom of the page, which means the article is off alignment. I fixed this numerous times. Perhaps your computer screen resolution isn't expieriencing the problem because it's a wider screen but it's viewed off alignment on common screen resolutions. • GunMetal Angel 07:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh I view on high-res thats why. Nevermind then. Fifthhorizon (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

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The Cleansing

I've put the converted template back on The Cleansing. The reason I placed it there originally is that there are several pages that refer to the novel that link to The Cleansing. These links should be cleaned up and then the converted template can be removed. See WP:MOVE#Usurping a page title. Thanks. --Rtrace (talk) 20:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits, again replasing the {{converted}} template on The Cleansing. Please see the discussion page and WP:UPT. Please don't remove the template until all the links to The Cleansing that refer to the the novel have been edited to reflect the new location of the page. The purpose of the template is to indicate that this work still needs to be done and until it is finished, the template should remain. Thanks. --Rtrace (talk) 21:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I fully understand now; thanks! And sorry for me not understanding before. • GunMetal Angel 02:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguated on all instances except those on bot-modified project pages and talk pages. Preparing to convert redirect into disambiguation page. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 22:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

The Rev

I wanted to tell you that I'm doing a project for my college english class. The project is to take a wikipedia page that we are interested in that isn't well written and fix it. I need my work to be posted and kept up so my professor can see what I have edited. Please refrain from undoing my work, because I need my professor to see my changes. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CasaBasa (talk • contribs) 03:17, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

For one, I didn't revert your full edit — your other additions for when you copied-pasted all the things that you added to make the article bad after I fixed everything around your actual improving provoked this collision. I mean seriously; since when is "quirky drummer" or "picked up his first drums sticks at five" fixing it — these are uses of teen magazine slang that I reverted (and the only things are reverted). And A7X are NOT a metal band, they're a rock band. You did enough; all I did was fix-up everything around your ending revision and you'll most likely still get that A+. Otherwise how will your teacher feel about uses of slang like "quirky drummer"??? Just ask yourself that question. • GunMetal Angel 04:43, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

A Day to Remember

I hate that band, but dude, how was I vandalizing it by putting 'easycore'? That's what they are, a mixture of pop punk and metalcore. You told me I vandalized the article when all I did was put what it actually is. Just because you don't think it's a genre doesn't mean it isn't one. Don't be a dick. AtheistFish

For one, there is a clear hidden message on the edit mode screen saying not to add genres. It doesn't matter what you think or what you presume upon what genre means what or what musical style matches up to a musical group; everything on the article was sourced and you adding that to the genres was considered vandalism, you shouldv'e payed attention to the warning. You brought it all upon yourself and if you continue to do it you may be blocked without further warning. As for two; don't call me a dick, or else that's generally reflecting your statement upon yourself. • GunMetal Angel 00:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

No offense taken

About that thing I posted on the Despised Icon page, how could I have better phrased that exactly? I do know from their press statement that they said they would be touring before splitting up. Or is the introductory passage fine as it is? Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 03:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Generally, I'd say what's in the lead it's fine as it is. I mean it's saying that the band generally announced that they will be disbanding as a direct quote. When they posted their news that they had the decision to disband, they didn't exactly state "after several tours." And even on the contrary; it's not saying the band has disbanded yet. However, I would suggest making a statement for their upcoming tours before their disbandment on the body of the article because it deserves to be stated as to leading-up before the big split-up of DI we mourn, so long! • GunMetal Angel 04:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

That makes good sense. Before I saw your response, I was thinking as well that maybe there should be more information released regarding the tours before posting more info about it. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 20:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Saw line breaks

Where does it say that line breaks aren't to be used in the infobox? It has been like this forever. Has it changed? Also I've never seen commas being used. Mike Allen 22:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually per the infobox template it says to use <br /> (line breaks). Where have you seen commas being used for this purpose? Thanks. Mike Allen 22:26, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Well per WP:ALBUM it states that music articles should have their listing in commas, never breaks. So I assumed it was like that for all of Wikipedia. Nevermind. • GunMetal Angel 00:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Owl City concert tours

Please don't remove the link to the "Owl City concert tours" article from the "Owl City" article.

I spent hours to build this "Owl City concert tours" article, which is useful for any people curious about the dates & locations of the Owl City tours and the links to the Owl City live videos available in YouTube.

Lurulu (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

The Dream (In This Moment album)

Why are you removing links to The Dream (In This Moment album)?--ShelfSkewed Talk 19:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

My mistake, I thought that TW feature did something different, looks like I've got some reverting to do. Also; I apologize. -- GunMetal Angel 20:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Happy editing! --ShelfSkewed Talk 21:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Rollback

OK, let's start afresh. I'll drop you my standard template. Just be careful and don't get yourself into trouble with it! :)

Hello, per your request, I've granted you Rollback rights! Just remember:

• Rollback gives you access to certain tools, including Huggle, some of which can be very powerful, so exercise caution
• Rollback is only for blatant vandalism
• Having Rollback rights does not give you any special status or authority
• Misuse of Rollback can lead to its removal by any administrator
• Please read Help:Reverting and Wikipedia:Rollback feature to get to know the workings of the feature
• You can test Rollback at Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback
• You may wish to display the {{User wikipedia/rollback}} userbox and/or the {{Rollback}} top icon on your user page

If you have any questions, please do let me know. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Slipknot's demo

Notice that "demo album" simply links to the demo article. There is no such thing as a demo album - MFKR was their first album and is now considered just a demo. A demo can consist of two songs or twenty songs - there is no distinction between something being a demo and this made up "demo album". 74.206.49.10 (talk) 22:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

What we're doing is not calling something a "demo album" based on length, if it's a demo it's called a demo album, at least on this website. • GunMetal Angel 22:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold article

Hi mate, just to let you know, I believe that the deceased should be next to The Rev's name, as not having it there MAY imply to some people that he quit or something else. And I think it is more respectable if we leave it there. Not trying to pick a fight or anything but yeh. Hittingray (talk) 06:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

If it's against a Wikipedia guidline, you can't do it, sorry. • GunMetal Angel 07:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Overlinking

Why? --John (talk) 19:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

That is not overlinking. It does not violate WP:OVERLINK, it's simply to link both the city and the state. -- GunMetal Angel 20:32, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Why would you want to do that? --John (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Already explained above. -- GunMetal Angel 20:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

It does violate WP:OVERLINK, see "the names of major geographic features and locations". --John (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I believe I didn't see that. You're right. Sorry for the inconvenience. • GunMetal Angel 08:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Axe to Fall

I am sorry, but I am incredibly confused why you continue to perform this edit to Axe to Fall. Especially when you are attempting to enforce a guideline as if it were a policy. The guideline you continue to present me with, WP:ELNO, actually permits all of the external links present at Axe to Fall. I am not making any attempt to "re-interoperate what the rules say," as you claim in your edit summary. Fezmar9 (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't directly torwards you, but several others who are not seeming to understand that social networking websites just can't be used as external links. • GunMetal Angel 22:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

...but they absolutely can be used. Even according to WP:ELNO, as long as it's the official page for the subject and it's relevant to the subject. In this case, specifically referring to MySpace at the moment, there are songs off of Axe to Fall that wiki readers might be interested hear, relevant blog posts specifically about Axe to Fall, information about tours in support of Axe to Fall and even links to buy the album if the reader is interested. Obviously it would be frowned upon to link a webstore or itunes directly to the article. The first sentence of WP:ELNO says avoid these unless it's an official link. The links provided at Axe to Fall are the official sites. Fezmar9 (talk) 22:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Metalcore

Your removal of vandalism was actually a removal of sourced material. Read the reference yourself in the fifth paragraph: ""metalcore," a mixture of emo, hardcore punk, and melodic death metal." RG (talk) 02:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know it was sourced, actually. But anyway regarding it, Stylus Magazine is wrong and/or not a reliable source, there are more than 20 sources that state what metalcore actually is and that is extreme metal with hardcore punk. With this many sources vs. one that probably isn't even reliable this would be better suited to discuss at the metalcore talk page before restoring this statement for those reasons along with the matter at hand that it sounds extremely absurd, but in general I'm extremely postitive that what it is saying is that what today's metalcore (which is known as melodic metalcore to distinguish itself from how it was throughout the 80s and early 90s) is, but still, even if it is sourced and if you by all means have to have it in the article then take it to the talk page, but even then it shouldn't be in the lead. The metalcore article is written for metalcore based upon it's entirety (melodic metalcore still contains the extreme metal meets hardcore hybrid due to it being still metalcore), Stylus Magazine is writing only about melodic metalcore, and even so, the source in general could be unreliable. And in the end, please keep in mind this is only one source versing about 20 others. • GunMetal Angel 03:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The Devil Wears Prada

Wow, that was awhile back... :)

If I remember correctly, my comment was based on the possible copyright issue of the name. Glad to see they've made the big time! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Twitter

I even the checked the link. It goes straight to their twitter post that says they have completed their EP. I don't understand why you claimed that that is not a source.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverxPacker (talk • contribs) 16:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

We don't use Twitter as a source. • GunMetal Angel 23:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Why would the band's official Twitter not be a viable source? It is of course them releasing the information that their EP is, in fact, completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverxPacker (talk • contribs) 05:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Self-published things cannot be used as sources. WP:SOURCE. • GunMetal Angel 07:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Editnotice

There's a difference between blocking and banning? XD What am I missing here? ×××BrightBlackHeaven^(talk)××× 08:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh no, no real difference, just Wikipedia uses the term "blocking" instead of "banning" haha, so I thought it was more accurate to use "blocked" instead. • GunMetal Angel 08:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

How did you get there anyway? Just curious. :3 ×××BrightBlackHeaven^(talk)××× 08:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Clicked on "page notice" in the top right of your user page in edit mode? • GunMetal Angel 08:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I mean what were you doing editing my userpage? <.< ×××BrightBlackHeaven^(talk)××× 08:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Weird story, I saw the AFI userbox you made and I wanted to see if there was a flipthrough switch to change upon how your userbox said "The flood behind this user will not put out the fire inside her." to change the "her" to "him" or vice-versa, and it was also because I was curious if you were a girl. xD • GunMetal Angel 08:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Beautiful Thieves

While I'm already here annoying you, could you take a look at Beautiful Thieves? It's been deleted/redirected several times before for being non-notable/not even a single, and I just restored it; and I'd like a third person's opinion. ×××BrightBlackHeaven^(talk)××× 08:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Alrighties, you're not annoying me, I like the attention, lol. You really like AFI, that's pretty neat! =D • GunMetal Angel 08:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't look unotable, I mean it's a charted song and thus meets the qualities of WP:MUSIC. On the side-note I did some pointless fixes to the page. • GunMetal Angel 08:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the "pointless" fixes, now it looks like I'm not the only one who cares about the article's existence. Though, the album itself is listed as plain rock, as I think it should be, not alternative rock, and I think the song is just rock too? Isn't it? ×××BrightBlackHeaven^(talk)××× 08:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Well generally "rock" isn't coined as a genre on Wikipedia for music exceeding the 1970s. Usually it's listed as "alternative rock" for newer rock songs, but if it bugs you I guess change it back. • GunMetal Angel 08:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, that makes sense. I barely make a difference between rock and metal, the sub-genres just confuse me. ...Don't tell anyone. ×××BrightBlackHeaven^(talk)××× 09:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Rammstein

I participated in the final consensus discussion. If you read the text again, you will see that there was absolutely no consensus to leave the infobox or article text describing only, or primarily, NDH. German editors or NDH-fans (often IPs) insist on editing NDH-labelled bands to promote the NDH label, even though the English media does not describe bands by this moniker. It is primarily a German genre name as far as I can tell. If you would like to challenge the previous consensus, you are free to do so, but please do not revert my edits without explaining your rationale, especially when I have already taken the time to do so on the talk page. - BalthCat (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Even the German Wikipedia has it listed as "rock band", and plus this is a generalazation of styles thus adhering to WP:LEAD, which makes it all considerable. Rammstein should be presented as a rock band in simple context than having anyone confused with what subgenre is what. Wikipedia isn't a place to advertise genres, by the way; go find yourself a forum or what not if you're seriously that dedicated. • GunMetal Angel 13:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, did you ever totally miss the point. The suggestion that I am promoting a genre might be insulting it it wasn't so ludicrous. Please reread what I said here, and what I said on the Rammstein talk page at the end of May, and in the previous discussion. WP:LEAD has no bearing on the infobox. I feel justified in putting it back to what it was when consensus was last formed, since there has been no real discussion since. As for the lead, I will direct you to Metallica, Megadeth, Sepultura, Anthrax, Nine Inch Nails, Ministry, Godflesh & KMFDM. This is a strong implication that there is a standard of being slightly more specific in the lead than the painfully generic "rock", even if only for metal articles. I am also reverting that edit pending consensus on Talk:Rammstein. And keep in mind, before you try to suggest I'm pushing a genre, I hate metal. - BalthCat (talk) 21:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Haha

Funny. Yeah, haven't been on WP in a long time. Stupid exams. What is this reviewer feature? Crap, now I have to learn all about it. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 01:03, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of No Time to Bleed

The article No Time to Bleed you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are many changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within two weeks, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 06:12, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Chages or clarifications needing to be addressed? Such as what? I don't at all understand. Everything on it seems completely fine. And if anything maybe you could help me out by editing whatever's wrong with it? • GunMetal Angel 06:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Further information is here, I'm watching it, so, if you have questions please ask them in the review page. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 21:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

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Okay, I made almost all the changes to the article that were described on that page. As for the sources for the "personnel" section, I left a hidden comment saying that it was derrived from the album's booklet on the article. • GunMetal Angel 22:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but I remember you that the article is for the readers, not for the editors. If the reference is the booklet, then you should add it as: <ref name="booklet">Suicide Silence - ''No Time to Bleed'' (Liner Notes). Century Media. (2009) p X.</ref>

Alrighty, all done, bro. Is it good now? • GunMetal Angel 23:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Almost, almost. The references still needing this format,<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5052370/Oscars-ceremony-moved-to-prevent-clash-with-Winter-Olympics.html |title=Oscars ceremony moved to prevent clash with Winter Olympics |date=2009-03-29 |last=Hedley |first=Caroline |publisher=[[Telegraph Media Group]] |work=[[The Daily Telegraph]] |accessdate=2010-03-26}}</ref> the reception in the main infobox should go in this format and reference 9 goes to an archive. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 00:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Could the reviews box be left the way it is? It's not gonna reach across the entire section if it's done that way. • GunMetal Angel 00:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:ALBUM, sorry. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 01:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, all done. As for the references, they don't seriously need to be that way do they? That's a lot of work and plus I've seen a lot of articles that have been approved by GA that don't have every single source in that format.• GunMetal Angel 08:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I am a pain in the ass, but it seriously need them, if you don't want add them in that format, it's OK, at least the accessdate have to go, and I am not asking you the exact access date. Also you need to choose if they go MDY or YMD, they couldn't be mixed. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 16:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

=( GunMetal Angel 17:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DJ Club/UBX

Hey dude. :D Thanks for cleaning up those Caleb Shomo links on the Attack Attack! page.

That metalcore stub on your userpage, this one:

This user loves metalcore.

Did you make that? If you didn't, where did you get it? (: ʎɐʍɥbıɥɹɯ (ʞןɐʇ) (sqıɹʇuoɔ) 23:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I made it, haha. I was gonna ask you. Is your username derrived from the ADTR song, "Mr. Highway's Thinking About the End"? Haha, because that is my favorite song by them. =D • GunMetal Angel 23:57, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed it is. :D My fave too. Such a sick song live. I've seen YouTube vids of it and I wanna see them live sooooooo bad. :P ʎɐʍɥbıɥɹɯ (ʞןɐʇ...sqıɹʇuoɔ) 00:04, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I have all their albums and I will eventually see them too. Hopefully they'll go on tour with Limp Bizkit, and the reason for this is, the way I see it, if Bizkit are smart enough to include younger bands such as ADTR on their touring support for their upcoming record, it seems like a great idea to attract newer fans into their base. But enough on that part. With the userbox just copy the code, I guess I wasn't bold enough to make a UBX page for it. =( • GunMetal Angel 00:19, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Want me to create a page for it in your userspace? Or do you already have one?

Oh, by the way, you influenced me to get a guestbook. (: Be the first to sign? :D Just click on the 6 in my signature. ʎɐʍɥbıɥɹɯ (ʇ/ɔ/6) 00:27, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Go head and create if you want. You've got full permission. (= And yeh I'll sign. • GunMetal Angel 01:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks dude. And the stub is here. ʎɐʍɥbıɥɹɯ (ʇ/ɔ/6) 01:11, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I changed the name of it, haha. • GunMetal Angel 01:14, 20 June 2010 (UTC)