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Hello, hope your new job goes well, and keep up the good working on Min Dong:) By the way, my old blog is back on line now :p --Roberto Carlos No.3 10:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey~ So glad that you support me! :D Have already known your blog's ok because I've subscribed it. Ha, in fact I never miss a single article in it~XD

Wish your success in your academic work! ^_^

GnuDoyng 02:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:User girlfriend

Hi, I notice that you are using Template:User girlfriend, which has been moved to {{User:UBX/girlfriend}}. The link currently being used on your page is a cross-namespace redirect and will probably not last. It may be advisable to change the link. Thanks. —Mi r a 01:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I fixed it up for you. Happy editing! —Mi r a 09:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks! ^^ GnuDoyng 15:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄ Test-Wikipedia

I see that you can speak Hók-ciŭ-uâ (which is considered the standard form of Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄; and you are also able to write in Bàng-uâ-cê.

The Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄ Test Wikipedia has been created Here.

Your contributions there would be appreciated.

Regards --Jose77 22:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Jose77. I try my best. --GnuDoyng 13:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Jose77, I have questions:

Can I change the default font to "charis sil"? Only this font supports all Bàng-uâ-cê letters.
How can I do to make this test wiki into an actual one? Is there a criterion?--GnuDoyng 16:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't tracked the thinking on this for quite some time. There was really no firm standard for deciding whether to create a new Wikipedia (see m:Proposed policy for wikis in new languages, m:Help:How to start a new Wikipedia, m:Proposal for Sinitic linguistic policy and their talk pages). A lot of people agreed if a language was listed in ISO 639-1/2, it should automatically get created. At that time many people didn't know about ISO 639-3 (still in draft?). Given the recent wave of lesser-known languages into Wikipedia, I'd guess the threshold is much lower now. For Chinese languages, now that you have zh-min-nan and zh-yue, it should be easier, as well. The onus is on you to find 3-5 energetic "pioneers" willing to get it started, maybe create 100 stubs. This will make people more willing to accept your proposal. It also helps if you can show there's an existing literature, but for a lot of languages there isn't much, at least on-line. Be prepared to defend any significant use of romanized writing. A-giau 09:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Charis SIL

Jose77 asked me to leave my response here:

Please see incubator:Talk:Test-wp/zh-hak/ for how to tell Mediawiki (the software) to prefer Charis SIL. (Other fonts are listed because they work for Bân-lâm-gú -- customise as needed.) When you get a real Wikipedia, this can be set as default. A-giau 03:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, A-giâu. Sorry a stupid question again... How do I tell the Mediawiki? :..( --GnuDoyng 10:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, no question is too stupid (only people who don't ask are stupid XD). You just need to create a special page under your User: namespace. See my Incubator user page for a working example. Also see m:Help:User style (which unfortunately gives too much info, just read the introduction). Hope this helps. If not, ask again :) A-giau 07:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It works!!! Thank you A-giâu! :-D --GnuDoyng 08:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

中華聖公會福建教區公禱書（福州「土話」詩篇）

You probably have seen this already: 中華聖公會福建教區公禱書 (1931). Only 詩篇 are available, at least on-line. A-giau 18:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh great! I'd only read Bible in romanized version before. I think I can make use of it. Thanks for the link! --GnuDoyng 05:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

47 in Min-Dong

Hi, I am collecting translations for the number 47 (forty-seven). So far I have 509 translations, which you can see here. Can you help and tell me how to say and write 47 in Min-Dong? I'd be most thankful; please reply on my talk page. Thank you! — N-true 15:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your kind help! Can you write the word again in transcription in the same way you did with your name on your Wikipedia page? In the Fuzhou dialect's transcription. And, if you can, in IPA, because I'm also including the IPA whereever possible. That would be really nice! — N-true 15:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bàng-uâ-cê page

Hi GnùDoyng,

You've done some great work in getting the Bàng-uâ-cê article so detailed - I have just made some edits to make it flow a little better in English. Please have a look to check that everything still makes sense! :-) Taffy U|T|E 07:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Taiwantaffy. I appreciate your help!--GnuDoyng 14:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

cdo?

What is the language cdo? One of the Min Nan dialects, from the Fuzhou area (thus different from Amoy/Xiamen dialect)? I couldn't find it on the complete list of Wikipedia languages page. I guess it's too new! Badagnani 03:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Badagnani. "cdo" is the language code for Min Dong Chinese, which is quite different from Min Nan. Min Dong and Min Nan are not mutually intelligible, although they do share some special vocabulary and belong to the same Min Family. Thank you for reminding me that it's not in the language list yet. I'll add it right away.

Any further questions are welcome!^^ --GnuDoyng 05:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I see the problem in the list.-_-||| The code "zh-min-dong" is incorrect. Don't worry I'll fix it when I have time. --GnuDoyng 05:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Min languages familly structure

Hi GnuDoyng,

My name is Vincent Berger (fr:Utilisateur:Bel Adone), actually working on the structure of the chinese languages familly.

I am trying to understand the Min family. I saw that you have made a remark about the Fuzhou dialect, which according to you is as far from Min Dong as Min Bei. What was written in French (that Fuzhou dialect is the typical Mind Dong language) has been done from the english version indeed.

It's a bit hard to understand this family if you don't know it. Could you please explain me and bring me some references to improve the French version about the Min languages familly.

Min nan and Min bei seem to be the main differences, but what about the other ones ? (Min zhong, Min dong, Fuzhou dialect, ...)

Thanking you with anticipation.

157.164.136.71 09:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vberger

Hello Vincent Berger. Sorry for my foolish mistake in that french talk page. I wanted to say that "Fuzhou dialect belongs to Min Dong rather than Min Bei", but I carelessly wrote it as "Fuzhou dialect does not belong to..." I just found it minutes ago, and am very very sorry about that. Guess I was kinda anxious at that moment. -_-''' So this time, I hope I can clarify things up.

Quite contrary to some opinions stating that only 2 main branches, "Min Nan" and "Min Bei", exist in Min Family (such as this article in English Wiki), there are actually 5 distinct branches: Min Bei, Min Dong, Min Nan, Min Zhong and Puxian, all of which are not mutually intelligible. You can refer to this language map in German Wiki, and I think the German version of Min Dialect is quite correct and helpful, though not as informative as the English one.

If you have more questions about Chinese languages, please don't hesitate to ask me. I'm always ready to help you. ^^ --GnuDoyng 12:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this answer. I found indeed the German version which is better than the English one, and I 've just imported the map. As I understand both English and German, I will use the German version to developp the French version and still take a look at the English one.

Thanks and regards

Vberger 15:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NB : nothing else to ask for Wikipedia now. Maybe a bit of help for my crazy personal project for a Human Resource portal in 100 different languages. About 60 actually (and about 1.000.000 different pages), and most of the Min nan version is already done. A test page can be found at : http://www.hr4europe.com/test.php?cpl=be12zh_min_nan

I just need the main titles to finish the Min-Nan version. They are all on one page at : http://www.hr4europe.com/form.doc

If interesed, you can fill it (it takes about 5 minutes) and send it back to me at : hr4europe@mail.be

Thanks if you are interested

It's done. Please check your mailbox. --GnuDoyng 03:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Block upconverter

It was uncategorized. I am not sure I put it in the right one. Can you double check? You would know better since you wrote the article originally. Thanks! Cathy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.151.126.174 (talk) 15:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

You got it right, thanks. --GnuDoyng 13:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings from Fuqing

Hello, I am from Fuqing, previously a town in Fuzhou. I was happy to find the link on your site to the Foochowese translation of the Bible, and was even happier to see it has been preserved till today since 1905. Good job on these, and I believe it must have been great to read the Bible in the dialect despite the fact that many were not educated in Mandarin at that time. May the grace and peace of God be with you. -Maus 5:57am Mar.14, 2007

I bet you'll be much more surprised when you see this. ^^ --GnuDoyng 11:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chaozhou dumplings

Hi, thanks for help at Kompyang, and it's good to know of your expertise. Do you by any chance know anything about the Chaozhou dumpling called Fun guo? That article needs some work. Badagnani 07:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pad see ew

Can you figure out the original Chinese characters for the original Chaozhou name at Pad see ew? Badagnani 23:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Teochew dialect is beyond my knowledge. I have opened a thread here to see if anyone can help. --GnuDoyng 07:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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hi GnuDoyng

Hi there. I heard that the Chinese Central Government has banned Wikipedia in China. How do you have access to Wikipedia when you are in China? Sonic99 (talk) 05:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I use Freegate (zh:动态网). But sometimes the IP addresses of open proxies are blocked by wiki administrators so that I can only view pages without editing them. If you need this tool, please send me an email (gnudoyngATgmailDOTcom).--GnuDoyng (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Kucheng Massacre

Ni hao! How are you? It is nice to see someone from China contributing to Wikipedia.

You article Kucheng Massacre is very interesting. One thing: Yeare are not wikilinked when alone. Guidelines recommend not to wikilink years when they are alone, without specific context and rationale for linking to them. Hence it's "1895", not "1895". On the other hand, full dates should always be wikilinked so as to ensure the date will be rendered as formatted according to the reader's date preferences; thus, it should be "August 1, 1895", not "August 1, 1895".

The article Kucheng Massacre provides some interesting facts. I know many thinks about Chinese history but I've never heard of Kucheng Massacre before. Thank you for creating the article. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 08:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Masterpiece2000, thank you for the edit. Kucheng Massacre is almost a forgotten history even in China or in Gutian (Kucheng) itself. --GnuDoyng (talk) 02:44, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Min Bei and Min Nan

Hi GnuDoyng. I want to know why there are more Southern Min(Min Nan) speakers than Min Bei speakers and Min Dong speakers in China. Is it because Min Nan Chinese have more children? Is it because Southern Fujian is more flat and fertile, therefore conducive to population growth and language similarity? Please explain. Sonic99 (talk) 04:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bân-lâm-lâng (Min Nan people) have a long tradition of migrating, so their language spread to an area larger than that of any other Min dialect. I think this reasonably explains why Bân-lâm-ōe has the most speakers. --GnuDoyng (talk) 05:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I asked some Min Nan and Teochew friends of mine. They said a typical Min Nan family has more than one child, which is against the one-child policy but they certainly seem to be rich enough to afford the fine. --GnuDoyng (talk) 03:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the one-child policy isn't working. The Cantonese people are having more children, and they seem to be rich enough afford the fine too.

GnuDoyng, why is the Hainanese language classified as a Min Nan language? I heard that the Hainanese is mutually unintelligible with Teochew and Southern Fujian language. Sonic99 (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hainanese was originally from Southern Fujian. Though their language has changed a lot, it still preserves much of the Minnan features. --GnuDoyng (talk) 02:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hainanese is spoken by a small population. I think Min Hainanese is not a dominant language any longer in Hainan. Perhaps Min Hainanese was popular 50 years ago, but not now. I think Cantonese and Mandarin are the dominant dialects in Hainan Province now. GnuDoyng, have you been to Hainan Province? Sonic99 (talk) 04:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have never been to Hainan, nor have I heard anyone speaking Hainanese. The only reliable source I read about languages of that island is from the Chinese-English Dictionary of the Vernacular or Spoken Language of Amoy by Carstairs Douglas (1873):

“

The island of Hai-nan (Hái-lâm), also in the Canton province, differs much more than the Swatow, but still is more nearly related to the Amoy and Swatow than to any of the other languages of China. But the centre of that island, just as is the case in Formasa, is inhabited by aboriginal races totally different from the Chinese, and having languages of a quite different stock. --p. 610

”

--GnuDoyng (talk) 04:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kucheng Massacre

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Spelling

Ni Hao! Thank you for correcting an spelling error from my user page.[1] Take care, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 06:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah don't mention it, hope you didn't find it offensive. So what's your mother tongue? Is it German? --GnuDoyng (talk) 08:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was helpful, not offensive. My mother tongue is not German. I am not from the west. Take care, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:CDO Main Page

Yes, I might be able to help you. Which part of the Main Page requires rearranging? --Jose77 (talk) 20:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Jose. When viewed at 1024*768 resolution the main page looks just fine, but when it is displayed at 1280*1024 resolution it appears abnormally. As you can see in this screen print, I don't know how to confine the picture within the frame, and I also don't know how to keep the left frame (Wikipedi contents) and the other two on the right (Did you know and Featured image) at the same height no matter what resolution they are viewed at. You help will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance! --GnuDoyng (talk) 06:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK: September 21, 2008

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Christianity in China

Hello GnuDoyng,

You might be interested in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Christianity in China work group. Just a friendly invite so that more folks could get involved. Thanks.Brian0324 (talk) 18:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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