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Please, delete File:George Izard.jpg, thank you. --Francois-Pier (talk) 04:07, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
They're the same. (The Wikipedia one links to its Commons description page in the first line.) —Gryllida (talk) 08:53, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Someone else already fix it. Thank you. --Francois-Pier (talk) 13:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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I remark a line in Will Durant#Selected books because the link is not a bibliography of Will Durant, but commercial books, etc., used under Will Durant's titles, please check it... --Francois-Pier (talk) 07:16, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
They're a bibliography (meaning 2) — books he wrote. Which ones are not? —Gryllida (talk) 08:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
You mast edit the section Will Durant#Selected books, because i hide the link with <!-- --> (see the remark there). --Francois-Pier (talk) 13:26, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Besides, the link you gave is a parked domain, it doesnt look like a bibliography to me. (Were it an official working website of the author, I couldn't rely on it as a primary source.) —Gryllida (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh, it were not you who gave the link. And the link is — now — broken (presumably it wasn't at the time of writing the article). I located an archive. —Gryllida (talk) 14:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Nice job, thank you. --Francois-Pier (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. Nice find (thank you too). Gryllida (talk) 15:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Your Greek translation of the octoechos articles
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I saw your last edits of the English articles, where you tried to correct the wrong plural forms of μέλος and γένος. I apologise for the mess and reworked them, partly I replaced the term mele with melopoiia. We can say that there are lot more mele than echoi, but the plural form is rarely used, since melos itself is already a plural related to many modal patterns, which are a kind of vocabulary to communicate even spontaneous structural decisions. I prefer to speak about melodic models which can be also heirmoi in case of the heirmologion or avtomela in case of all compositions of the sticherarion or heirmologion. The prosomeia use the avtomela as a model, while melos rather refers to modal patterns like opening, cadence and accentuation patterns. In more complex compositions the melos can change between the echoi and even its genos, so they are usually just refered to a small part of it, but melos also means the melodic flow of the whole composition. I hope these changes will allow you to continue, but please take your time. It is a lot of work and you did quite a lot. If there are any questions or problems, don't hesitate to contact me. Please note that these articles are only about the eight-mode system, because I reworked only this article, when it was already separated from a different one about the book and the liturgical concept behind it. For terms like these there should be a difference to the modern orthography and its declination (you emphasized them by italic characters):
Platonykiss (talk) 08:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC) There is no need to quote Merih Erol in note 55 (Παπαδική Οκτώηχος), since there is no English translation, but the original titel should be quoted here with a reference to Kiltzanides' book.Platonykiss (talk) 16:35, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Νεοβυζαντινή Οκτώηχος[edit]Of course, there is also a Greek version of the patriarchal page about Byzantine music: Here is the Greek link to Petros' biography, since you quoted it, this is the right link: http://www.ec-patr.net/gr/history/petros-lambadarios.htm The bibliographical reference to Galeria Koultoura (Athens) is very vague. It is either an added biography of the reprint edition of the heirmologion Εἱρμολόγιον τῶν καταβασιῶν τοῦ ὅλου ἐνιαυτοῦ Πέτρου τοῦ Πελοποννησίου, μετὰ τοῦ συντόμου Εἱρμολογίου Πέτρου τοῦ Βυζαντίου, ἐξηγημένα κατὰ τὴν νέαν της μουσικῆς μέθοδον μετὰ προσθήκης ἱκανῶν μαθημάτων, ὧν ἐστεροῦντο εἰς τὸ παλαιόν, ἐπιθεωρηθέντα ἤδη, καὶ κριβῶς διορθωθέντα παρὰ τοῦ διδασκάλου Χουρμουζίου Χαρτοφύλακος, ἑνὸς τῶν ἐφευρετῶν τῆς ῥηθείσης μεθόδου, ἐπιστασίᾳ δὲ τοῦ ἰδίου νῦν πρώτον ἐκδοθέντα εἰς τύπον ναλώμασιν ἰδίοις καὶ Ἰσὰκ δὲ Κάστρο. Κωνσταντινούπολις, ἐν τῇ Βρεταννικῇ Συπογραφίᾳ Κάστρου εἰς Γαλατᾷν, ,αωκε’, 1825. (Ἀναστατικὴ Ἔκδοση, Ἐκδόσεις Κουλτούρα, Ἀθήνα 1982). which you can check here or with the Anemi link of the bibliography: http://analogion.com/site/html/Library.html Or rather likely this book by Gregorios Stathis, which was published one year later: Πέτρος Λαμπαδάριος ὁ Πελοποννήσιος ὁ πὸ Λακεδαίμονος - ἡ ζωὴ καὶ τὸ ἔργο του, Λακωνικαὶ Σπουδαὶ 7, 1983. Platonykiss (talk) 17:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC) I guess it was copied from here: http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/greek/papadopoulos_music.html This is the quoted part: http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/greek/papadopoulos_music_per7_1.html Platonykiss (talk) 18:06, 1 April 2014 (UTC) Ἁγιοπολίτικος Ὀκτώηχος[edit]I see that you have finished your translation.
For Ancient Greek terms and their meanings (translated into English) I recommend the historical dictionary: Henry George Liddell. Robert Scott. A Greek-English Lexicon. revised and augmented throughout by Sir Henry Stuart Jones with the assistance of Roderick McKenzie. Oxford: Clarendon Press 1940. You can use it online: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l= Try φθόγγος ("fqo/ggos"): http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3Dfqo%2Fggos or ἦχος ("h)=xos"): http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3Dh%29%3Dxos Actually it is very useful, that this dictionary is not limited on sources related to music theory. I suppose you know the database for Latin terms of music theory: http://woerterbuchnetz.de/LmL/ Unfortunately it was not continued for a long time, so we still need to use the "glossar" here: http://www.lml.badw-muenchen.de/info/index.htm
Αλλελουϊάριον does neither exist in modern nor in Constantinopolitan Greek (where did you find it?), and I assure you that I never heard any Greek community singing an epsilon, only Italian Greeks might have spelled eta with a darker colour closer to the standard pronounciation of epsilon, but the letter is clear. I believe that you are misled here by a Latin convention of transliteration which makes no difference between η and ε. As somebody who is familiar with Gregorian chant you will certainly know that προκείμενον corresponds to the responsorium graduale, but like ἀλληλουϊάριον it was never that regularly used as in the Roman rite (the daily practice is just the refrain or troparion repeated thrice, but without the psalmody of the antiphonon, while antiphon is the Latin term for troparion, for the prokeimenon the troparion today is the trisagion, but in this period it was the troparion of the third antiphonon at the very beginning of the divine liturgy corresponding to the introit of the mass). According to Christian Troelsgård's article in the New Grove the term "prokeimenon" can be traced back to the 9th century, but the practice of an musically elaborated, but textually abridged psalmody already developed by the end of the 4th century, which indicates that the musical part was celebrated by a congregation of educated cantors since this period. The term ἀλληλουϊάριον can already be found in the psaltika and kontakaria of the 12th and 13th century (see Thodberg), the common practice is to notate just the psalm and to refer to a limited set of alleluia refrains in the appendix (the problem of scholars comparing Old Roman with Constantinopolitan practice is that they don't understand that only the beginning of the troparion is written, as it was sung by the soloist who prepared with this book, the rest is written in the asmatikon). Unfortunately I did not quote this important handbook in none of the oktoechos articles: Thodberg, C., 1966. Der byzantinische Alleluiarionzyklus: Studien im kurzen Psaltikonstil, in: Monumenta musicae Byzantinae - Subsidia 8. Kopenhagen: E. Munksgaard. Despite of the title, the book is about the psaltikon and kontakarion, and it is mainly useful, when you study one of those manuscripts. You would do no harm to insert it in the bibliographies, where "kontakion" is mentioned.
is just the English term, the original Latin term is "tonarius".
As far as I know this term means accents relevant in poetic meter. There is a certain connection between the disciplin rhetoric of the trivium and the early chant theory as far as rhythm is concerned, and it might even go as far as accentuation patterns used in psalmody. But the common Greek term for intonation formula ("intonation" seems a Latin term, but actually the precantor's intonation is usually described with the verb "inchoare") is ἐνήχημα or ἀπήχημα and is always in chant manuals today. The more neutral term ἤχημα can also be found, but the others are more common. This does not mean that it is not worth to be explained in an own article.
The common opinion is that this Latin term was invented by Boethius, when he translated Greek treatises of Ptolemy and the Pythagoreans—mainly based in Croton (Ionian coast, Calabria) and Tarent (Salento, Apulia near the border to Basilicata), but I did not check myself, where exactly he used it. "Artes liberales" is the Latin translation of ἐγκύκλιος παιδεία in the sense of the Pythagorean Isokrates, who actually meant ἐγκύκλια μαθήματα. Even if it just means the "cyclical exercises" the word mathematics derived from it, in the context of the Pythagoreans and their concept of basic education the "four mathemata" are harmonics, geometry, astronomy and arithmetics. In the time of Isokrates there is a reflexion, that the respresentation of this knowledge (the trivium with grammar, rhetoric, and logic) is also relevant. The author of the article Trivium (εκπαίδευση) suggested an article Quadrivium (εκπαίδευση) which has not been realised so far, so you might follow his suggestion. Darvaris, D., 1838. Χρηστομάθεια ἁπλοελληνική (Chrestomathia graeco-vulgaris), Vienna: Antonius Benko, p. 194. Wang, Q., 2014. Boethius and the Importance of Basic Logic and Mathematics for Philosophy. PhD thesis. Leiden: Leiden University, p. 4.
Concerning the homepage of the Leimonos Monastery in Lesvos, I suggest to insert the links with the Greek descriptions. Here the list with leitourgika: http://84.205.233.134/library/thumb.php?status=1 The modern Greek term for triodion is Τριώδιο etc. See you! Platonykiss (talk) 11:01, 12 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Βλέπω ότι είστε ο δημιουργός του προτύπου el:Πρότυπο:Chess diagram/τεκμηρίωση. Έχω κάνει μια παρατήρηση στην σελίδα συζήτησης του προτύπου. Αν θα θέλατε να το κοιτάξετε το θέμα, διότι ενώ προσπάθησα να το λύσω αντιγράφοντας και τροποποιώντας τα Modules el:Module:Chessboard και el:Module:Chessboard mxn και ύστερα να διορθώσω το el:Πρότυπο:Chess diagram/τεκμηρίωση δεν τα κατάφερα γιατί όπως φαίνεται οι γνώσεις μου δεν επαρκούν και δεν θα ήθελα να καταστρέψω την δουλειά που έχετε κάνει. Ευχαριστώ. SucreRouge (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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[edit]Αν έχεις λίγο χρόνο διαθέσιμο, θα σου ήμουν υπόχρεως. τη φλογέρα του Βασιλιά να την μορφοποιήσεις κατα ενότητες, δηλαδή Πρόλογος, ο γιός της χήρας, Λόγος Πρώτος Dgolitsis--Dgolitsis (talk) 08:44, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Done --Francois-Pier (talk) 05:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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[edit]cite BDA1906
[edit]With this edit (Revision as of 03:00, 31 October 2020 to "George Ade") you added a citation using template {{cite dictionary}}
I have just completed two new specific templates to replace the need to use the general one. They are {{cite BDA1906}}
and {{BDA1906}}
. They fill out most of the fields for you. All you have to do is add three parameters wstitle= volume=
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as the standard citation just like{{cite dictionary}}
but with far fewer parameters - use
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if text is copied from the The Biographical Dictionary of America article into the Wikipedia article. When and where you ought to place the attribution is explained in the plagiarism guideline in the section "Copying material from free sources"
Also if a source is cited then a copy to the same source ought not to be placed in the "External links" section (see the section "references and citation" in external links guideline).
I ran the earwig copyright vio program over the two articles: Violation Unlikely 4.8%, so there was no need for you to postpend the template {{PD-notice}}
to the citation. Now that I have checked that I will re-edit the page and change the citation from {{BDA1906}}
to {{cite BDA1906}}
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