User talk:Elmer Clark/archive

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		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For AfD tagging all of those non-notable books and authors using vanity presses (most of which I've voted on :P). Well done M a rtinp23 20:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The Culvert

Hi Elmer I agree that The Culvert is not published by a major house. It is quite difficult for novels on the subject of pedophilia to get a publisher. It is for this reason that I have included an article on this book. It is also one of the books listed on pedophilia and child sexual abuse in fiction and I am trying to ensure that each book in the first section has an article so that Wikipedians can find further information. The book is available from Amazon. Tony 09:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)Tony

If the Wiki policies are as you say then it should be deleted. I'll take it off the list 15:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)Tony

Auschwitz

Hi there: I have, of course, left your edit unchallenged on the article page. But could you tell me why you felt that the external link which you removed was not appropriate? Not arguing, just asking.--Anthony.bradbury 12:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. That seems very clear.--Anthony.bradbury 21:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

isurvived.org

I'm aware of the controversies about isurvived.org, and I'm fully aware that Webville was both uncivil and a linkspammer. That said, I still think http://isurvived.org/TOC-IV.html#Holocaust_Romania is an excellent collection of links about the Holocaust in Romania, far better than anything else I've seen (and I've looked), and should be linked from Romania during World War II and/or History of the Jews in Romania. I have no problem with attaching a warning that other parts of the site may be controversial; I see absolutely nothing controversial in what has been linked. I would much rather link one good list of links than start loading the articles down with links. - Jmabel | Talk 07:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 07:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

This is how I tried to handle it before giving up because it kept being whipped back and forth. - Jmabel | Talk 07:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Certainly feel free to shorten it. I think it is useful, though, to link the article from a reasonably major U.S. newspaper chain that discusses the controversies, so we don't have to. - Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Danielle Foxxx

Hi mate , please read the information I have now added to this page. I believe it no longer warrants speedy delete. Hope to hear from you soon regarding this. Unitedroad 10:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Well she hasn't won an AVN award but she was nominated for it in 2004. She played the lead role in "Up close and virtual with Danielle Foxxx" which was the first hi-definition, wide screen transsexual porn movie ever made so that is quiet a breakthrough.

There's something not mentioned in the criteria but is considered to be an important criteria for notability otherwise - searching with her name as an exact phrase (using the double inverted commas around her name), one gets 81,000 results.

Unitedroad 10:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I am about to do that. It is mentioned in one of the references I have used for the article http://www.adultfyi.com/read.aspx?ID=18138. Just take a look and tell me if you consider it as a reference for this High definition movie , for the AVN award this reference might not suffice. Unitedroad 10:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I am now trying to find a decent reference for AVN but seems the awards themselves are pretty obscure lol. BTW how do you find probable CSD artcles?

Unitedroad 10:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Well my first reaction to CSD isn't much different from that of other editors but then after initial few moments of feeling affronted , I realise that the editor who put that tag must have a reason to believe the subject isn't notable. It isn't as if he feels he has to take me down somehow when he doesn't even know me.

I learnt that from my girl lol. But well thanks for the help mate. I learnt about the notability criteria for porn stars today only because of you. This will help me here in the long run.

Thnks for the link too but I have just found that she was nominated in 2005 from this source http://www.avn.com/imagearchive/20/53/72/2053722005_Nominations.pdf#search=%22%22Danielle%20Foxxx%22%20%20AVN%20nomination%22. She was nominated for the "Transsexual performer of the year" Award.

Hope we stay in touch in the future. Unitedroad 11:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

SGGS on Meat

you said: "Comment: It doesn't matter if it "corresponds with orthodox teachings," no sermon-type material such as this is allowed here. This is a blatant example of WP:OR - someone wrote their personal interpretation of Sikh teachings with quotes that support it. It of course also violates WP:NPOV about as much as is possible - it blows my mind that there is even any debate here! People, this an encyclopedia, not a forum for the dissemination of religious interpretations. Good grief."

I hope you have looked at the various Parables and 1000's of pages using the Quotation template – All of these articles use quotations and are referring to some POV. So do all these articles need to be deleted? Regarding WP:OR – These quotes have existed for 2000 years in the holy Bible and for 5000 years in the SGGS – It's no original research. My Friend, What are you trying to say?

The point of all these quotations is to inform the reader of what the Holy texts have to say – that I hope you will agree is an important point; an important issue and a mechanism that needs to be preserved. The job of Encyclopaedias is to correctly inform its readers!! Without quotations you get to a situation when wrong messages of what is in the holy text can be conveyed as is happening with some aspects of Islam. So it is very important that we are allowed to quote these text verbatim so that the message is not tampered with - Discussion can be NPOV or POV, etc and these can be added to these articles if required. The quotations in themselves do not have a POV or NPOV – They are of a factual nature. The quote from the holy Bible is a FACT which has existed for 2000 years. Whether you believe it or not is another matter – Many billions believe in these facts. The writings of the Bible, Koran, SGGS, etc are all FACTS – They are NOT NPOV or POV. If I write that the SGGS says "There is one God" – That is a factual statement. If you go and look in the SGGS, then you will find that statement there. Whether you want to believe the statement or not – is another matter. Verbatim quotations are facts not subject to the POV or NPOV criterion. When we start making our own comments and have discussions on these texts, it becomes POV or NPOV. I urge all participants here to vote and argue to keep the SGGS on Meat and all Parables article as well as they convey important historic messages. --Hari Singh 00:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for your latest comments on the SGGS deletion page. I am beginning to see why you have made some of the comments that you did.
The main definition of a Sikh is someone who believes in the SGGS. So if you do not believe in these quotes, then I believe that you cannot be a Sikh. See Sikhiwiki (please note I have links with this site) also see Sikh.
So this brings me to the other reason why I have kept these quotes separate from the discussion page. It highlights the importance given to the issue under discussion (ie: eating meat) and the sacred text, which for a Sikh is like a living Guru - see article on SGGS to see the reverence given to the Guru Granth Sahib. I appreciate your time and effort in making your stand. This conveys to me your objectivity and at least a commitment to impartiality – which is refreshing and a scarce commodity these days. Many thanks again, --Hari Singh 23:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Re : Toilet: The Novel

Done. :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 20:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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Seven Starz

Just thought I'd notify you that I opened a new afd for Seven Starz; only the most recent revisions were copyright violations, so it doesn't fall within the scope of the copyright problems page. --Robth^Talk 15:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Teeterdil

why did you delete teeterdil, i don't unsderstand, there are far less important things on this site, and teeterdil is very important, you would understand if you were a young guy in the Bay Area. Did you know that Teeterdil keeps kids out of gangs? Yea delete that info why don't you?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Teeterdilforlife (talk • contribs)

Teeterdil

No man, i dont think you understand, you gave reasons but they were all, "its not notable", prove it, its a real gamethat everybody i know plays, and it should be good enough to be on this site—Preceding unsigned comment added by Teeterdilforlife (talk • contribs)

you aint being fair blood—Preceding unsigned comment added by Teeterdilforlife (talk • contribs)

Thanks

As you guessed, the Shakespeare issue has been resolved. Still, I appreciate your concern. Best, --Alabamaboy 01:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

infoboxtests

I deleted the two pages you requested --- Deville (Talk) 08:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

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Kari Wahlgren

I'm in a pickle hear, I have sent a message to Kari saying that I will respect her wishes mostly because I'm a fan of hers and I value her as an individual. So I do not want to hurt her or her career because of a revelation of her birthday. She has requested the info be kept private and so beit.--Jack Cox 04:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Possessive pronouns

Since the wickionary takes the position that one is not a personal pronoun (possessive one's), I won't argue it for the time being. --Shirahadasha 22:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, since I may be the only feminist in Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism and since I originally wrote this section of the Amidah article, it's probably my job to object to language which tends to assume that a worshipper is a "he". But we're approaching WP:3RR so I'll pause for a day and see if someone else changes it in the meanwhile. Using "one" as a personal pronoun is pretty mild stuff and not nearly as bad as his/hers and various other artifices people have come up with. Best, --Shirahadasha 23:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree you can't use "one's" as a substitute for "worshipper" since it's not a personal pronoun. That's why it doesn't sound right. But omit the apostrophe and voila! A one-syllable gender-neutral personal pronoun that's short, easy to pronounce, and has a long history as part of English usage. --Shirahadasha 23:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

.mov as a file name and a domain name

Since you asked, I thought I might give an explanation as to why it could work. A browser, assuming it is well-written knows how to distinguish between a filetype in a URL and a domain name URL. Even beyond that, there's information in the file itself that would be used. If you're on Windows you could try a test with a .com file because DOS used to use those, and some are still around even today. Or you could try putting a .mov reference in your Hosts file if you want. Not saying you couldn't have some problems, but there are problems with URL spoofing today anyway. Note: I do not recommend you try finding a .com file on the internet to see what might happen, that could lead to some problems with viruses. FrozenPurpleCube 02:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)