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Happy editing! stwalkerster (talk) 11:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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M.Bitton (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes yes, I've requested +EC from ArbCom. You'll note I did not !vote either way, but left a table of statistics for others to reference. ElderOfZion (talk) 13:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you're familiar with the process, you should know that a non-EC editor, you're restricted to making edit requests on the talk page. M.Bitton (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, it seems my confusion stems from the talk page using {{contentious topics/talk notice|a-i}} instead of {{Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement}}. The latter clarifies the talk page being included, whereas the former does not. When I triple checked the banner, I therefore did not see the talk page being included. Perhaps you can fix it, seeing as I'm still restricted? Thanks, ElderOfZion (talk) 16:28, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

HelloElderOfZion! I have a question, why did you deleted my edit? NotSoTough (talk) 20:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @NotSoTough: Your edit was deleted, because rules imposed by ArbCom dictate that in order to interact with the contentious topic of Palestine & Israel, an editor needs to be Extended Confirmed, by having an account older than 30 days with more than 500 edits. Your account does not reach that criteria. This is a blanket rule with an exception only for specific edit requests; My reversion does not imply that there was anything wrong with your edit, other than falling foul of that rule. ElderOfZion (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ElderOfZion You are not an extended-confirmed editor, and are subject to the same restrictions. Your edits to talk pages should be limited only to making edit requests. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahecht: Per the ArbCom sanctions on Extended confirmed restrictions, "Reverts made to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are exempt from the provisions of this motion." ElderOfZion (talk) 21:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ElderOfZion Reverts made solely to enforce restrictions are exempt from the One Revert Restriction (1RR) and are not considered edit warring. They are not exempt from the Extended confirmed restriction. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahecht: If that were the case, it would say "provision", but instead it says "provisions". ElderOfZion (talk) 22:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits are clearly covered by ECR. If you continue to try and enforce sanctions on the topic area you will be blocked. Reverting an ECR violation also doesn't suspend the CTOP designation so your reading is clearly flawed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is making rules up. Such a rule would be easily enforced with a simple script. He is deliberately misapplying the rule to talk pages. 187.234.44.229 (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 2024

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Thank you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Your message on my talk page five minutes prior, gives the unfortunate impression that you were shopping for a reason to block. Could you kindly explain why you know more than the account creation team who created this username, and the multiple ArbCom members with whom I have been in conversation with regarding this account and have not raised an objection to the username? ElderOfZion (talk) 01:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Committee is aware of this account. That doesn't mean we approve of its edits or that you have carte blanche to edit as you like. Nor does it mean that we have this account on some sort of audit or compliance list; if you screw up it's on you. We also declined to provide ECP.

As an additional note, I would personally agree that you should change your username. I hope you can see how your username would be viewed as disruptive or pointy. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 02:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CaptainEek: That doesn't mean we approve of its edits or that you have carte blanche to edit as you like. Did I ever suggest otherwise? :)

I deliberately chose this username to be relevant to the subject that you know I'm talking about and that ScottishFinnishRadish will strike if I mention it. It was designed to be unclear as to which "side" of the subject I am on, in order to act without perceived bias, applying technical ability without fear or favour. You might have a feeling that something is off, but if I force you to spell out what's wrong with this name, is there actually a contravention of the policy?

While you are here, could you please provide clarification on the discussion above on this page, regarding the wording of the sanctions applied to the subject. It is debated whether the word "provisions" in "Reverts made to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are exempt from the provisions of this motion" refers to just the 1RR provision, or all the provisions of the ArbCom General Sanction, and therefore whether a non-EC account may revert to enforce ECR. ElderOfZion (talk) 10:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to clarify the extent of the ECR restriction, that is a question to ask at WP:ARCA. I'm not sure we've had to answer that particular question before, and I can't answer that as an individual Arb. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi bro

Hi bro. Before saying I'm a new user, see my edits count. I'm Autoconfirmed and I have 468 edits. RealStranger43286 (talk) 03:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]