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Curling Club Info Box

I was hoping you could give me some help in developing a template / infobox for physical curling clubs. I noticed the Ottawa Curling Club has a very nice table in the infobox style. Just looking to standardize it. What other info should be added? Rock colours, number of sheets, founded, address, coord, logo, photo, ice tech, manager, owner, country/province/region/zone breakdown, hosted majors. --Coppercanuck (talk) 21:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Beloeil, Quebec

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Curling Bio Template

I noticed that there is a template 'curling-bio-stub', but not a 'curling-bio'. When the stub status gets dropped does a category just get added? Is the a manual for a curling bio layout? infobox, medal tables, team tables, etc. Also I just went back to WikiProject Curling Proposal and I'm still the only one. Can you help spread he word? --Coppercanuck (talk) 05:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of List of U.S. and Canadian cities by last major professional sports championship won

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Proposed deletion of List of international ice hockey competitions featuring NHL players

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Pat Ryan

Thanks for your additions and corrections to the Pat Ryan article. Do you have any sources for that information, citations? --Bejnar (talk) 03:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my edits involved removing some stuff that wasn't sourced, so I'm not sure what you were getting at. Maybe you want me to source the rest of the article? -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see, you weren't adding that information, you were restoring it. You might want to look at including edit summaries when editing Wikipedia articles. Yes, if you have sources for the material in the article, it would be great if you could provide it. I see that you are the major contributor to the article. Thanks. --Bejnar (talk) 15:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Bureau

Hi. You've recently made contributions to the Marc Bureau article. Would you like to add your opinion on the article name itself on the talkpage? Thanks. LarRan (talk) 23:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Simpson tree.PNG listed for deletion

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Playdown pages

Hey, I'm happy to help. I'm also a little busy with curling, but I don't mind helping to fill in what's missing when I have the time. 69.250.239.70 (talk) 23:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Chris Gardner (curler)

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Questionable use of administrator tools

Hi. I speedy-deleted an article you created, Chris Gardner (curler), under article A7 of the speedy deletion criterion, since I felt that the article failed to establish or assert his notability. More particularly, I do not see any indication that a provincial curling championship represents the highest level of the sport, which is the notability criterion for inclusion noted at WP:ATH. This may be a point on which I can be educated and I'm willing to be proven wrong. However, it was not appropriate to restore the article unilaterally (particularly without notifying me of the change) or to proceed to remove the speedy deletion template from an article that you created (as is explicitly prohibited by the template). I don't want to get involved in wheel warring, so although I first restored the template, I have since removed it in hopes of hearing your explanation.

This led me to check our respective admin logs, since I knew I had recently deleted another article on a related curler. That article, Derek Abbotts, remains deleted at this time and was probably an autobiography, given that it was created by User:Derekabbotts. However, that editor also repeatedly removed speedy deletion tags from his own article, and since the articles were clearly related to each other, please let me know what's going on before restoring that article.

On your admin log, I note that the entry below your restoration of the Gardner page was a five-year block of an IP address that had only edited Wikipedia three times. That is clearly discouraged by the blocking policy and Wikipedia:Blocking IP addresses#Block lengths. For that matter, the vandalism involved was quite tame and your only warning showed no indication that a block might be imminent.

I recognize that you have been with Wikipedia for a long time and that things are likely to have become more bureaucratic during your stay here, but I believe both of these actions were counterproductive and I'd suggest that you review relevant policy before using your administrator tools in the future. Please remove your block of the IP address and let me know what venue you'd like to use (perhaps AfD) to get an outside opinion on the notability of the curler. Dekimasuよ! 04:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sent to AfD as a procedural nomination. Please comment there. Black Kite 01:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator's noticeboard

Hello. This is to let you know that there's a discussion of your five year block of 142.161.98.66 (talk) at the administrator's noticeboard, here. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You maybe interested in the Article Rescue Squadron

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Ikip (talk) 01:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hockey players

There are two new articles to watch, Jody Lehman and Kevin Shmyr if anyone with expertise in hockey wants to look at these articles and see how they are doing wiki-wise that would be awesome. SriMesh | talk 00:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikinews Brier/Scotties curling tournaments

Do you wish to add a tid bit to the wikinewsc curling article? ... or add a new wikinews article when the Brier is finished.SriMesh | talk 03:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there thanks for your comment, it is parially why I am practicing on wikinews for awhile to write better, but I don't think sports are my thing, but this curling event/s is pretty major for Canada. SriMesh | talk 17:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Page moves

You might wish to familiarize yourself with baseball page naming conventions before moving any more such pages to names that do not fit these conventions. Thanks! -Dewelar (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Curling

I was looking at the WikiProject Proposal page and it is only you and I listed. WP:COUNCIL/P With that, I'm just going to pass this on to you. I created a template, (I'm using created loosely), {{worldcurlingbio}} is just a copy of {{soccerbase}} which is a quick way to get info about a specific player. I've started adding it to players bio's and also started to use the Team table similar to Kevin Martin's page. --Coppercanuck (talk) 18:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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List of subnational divisions by area/population/etc

Hello. I noticed you created the articles for List of the largest country subdivisions by area and List of country subdivisions by population. However, the links you provided to World Gazetteer are too vague, so I was wondering if you could provide a direct link to the specific pages on the World Gazetteer site that you were referring to so that these articles can be updated (since some of these provinces don't even exist anymore!). Thanks for your help. --Tom (talk - email) 16:36, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracy of Ontario Election Maps

On the image file "Referendum.PNG", the southern boundary of Parry Sound--Muskoka is inaccurate. It includes most of the Township of Algonquin Highlands. According to all the maps that I've seen and the law [S.O. 2005, Ch. 35, Sched. 1, s. 2(2)] "In accordance with the process by which the federal electoral districts were established, the Municipality of Algonquin Highlands forms part of the southern electoral district of Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock rather than part of the northern electoral district of Parry Sound-Muskoka." Can you rectify this? Ndchriste (talk) 22:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Ray Joseph Cormier

Earl, I´m glad to see by your contribs you are active again on Wikipedia. As the creator of the Subject BLP, it is my hope on reading this [1] you will take a second look with a renewed interest in improving the Article. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 16:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see by the sections on sports in this page this might interest you. Last April 19 my best friend called me saying Google his son´s name. [2] I then Googled my name for the 1st time and found this BLP which you created two years earlier. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 17:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bc09.PNG colours

HI Earl Andrew; I just happened to see this map this morning because somebody had posted it on the forum on Rafe Mair's latest column in The Tyee, and wanted to comment that - as before - I find the use of federal-Liberal party colours for the BC Liberals very unhelpful; the same applies at the national level but it's also a truism that the slogan/logo colours of hte BC Liberals are NOT red, but rather blue and green, and more of a sky blue than Tory blue. The map is extremely difficult to work out, especially "at a glance", and takes some referring to the legend to sort out visually. I know this isn't your own fault, as this colour-convention has been in use for quite a while, and is rooted in the notion that the BC Liberals are the provincail branch of the federal Liberals (which they are not). and that's a common misconception right across the country; the provincial media maps expressly use blue for the BC Liberals, as was also used for the Socreds in times past. Having a map with a whole bunch of different shades of ochre and dun just doesn't work; I guess this should be taken up at PPAP but I felt like commenting on it now, being confronted with the map over morning coffee.....compare to, for example of many p0ossibilities, the maps on the BC election 2009 blog by Sacha Peter.Skookum1 (talk) 13:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template

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Jack Layton

hello, I have a quick question I hope. Is there a reason why jack Layton's page is still locked from editing for standard IP editors? It seems a bit long to keep a lock in place. Thanks for your time Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, if ive read the logs right. I looked further into it and there was alot of disruption before that justifying it then though the disruption may be in part because of the election at the time. Ottawa4ever (talk) 23:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help! Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hurdman Station image revert

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Rollback

Did you revert this by accident? If you just didn't want to respond that is OK, I just won't be able to work through the backlog, but I think you might have rolled it back with my other edit by mistake. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 19:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Ike Awgu

20:35, 5 January 2008 Earl Andrew protected Ike Awgu ‎ ([edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])

As more than 18 months have passed since this article was semiprotected, I've started a review to see if it's still considered necessary. See talk:Ike_Awgu. --TS 10:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NDP Candidates in the Upcoming election...

Good Evening, Earl Andrew.

I apologize for not trying to work with you first on finding a compromise for this article. I would have kept the article the way it was, but I myself was approached by another user (User:Nezzadar) to change the lists into one that "looks better". Archive of the discussion

My only attempt here was to maintain the same format for all of the articles. I understand what you are trying to do with the NDP page right now, but as I saw it, it was only part-way finished, only having a couple ridings listed, with plenty of redlinks and definitely in need of cleanup.

That information (Votes, %, and Rank) is all pertinent, but maybe it should be added after the election (whenever it should occur), that way, we can add it to all the articles. Either that, or interested parties can go on to the page for the particular riding, and look it up for themselves.

Do any of these work?

Bkissin (talk) 22:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I saw what you did, or at least are in the middle of doing, with the 2008 NDP candidates. I'll add the extra columns to the other candidate articles, but I'd love if you would add all the ridings to the NDP list, as well as clean it up a little bit, if possible. If not, I guess I could do it, but I'm attempting to compromise a little.

Bkissin (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RfD nomination of Julie Sutton

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AfD nomination of Ray Joseph Cormier

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Earl, good to see you are alive and active again. When I discovered you started this BLP, of course I was both surprised and pleased. In retrospect, I realize I may have been overbearing in wanting to see it improved. You will notice from the Article Talk, I withdrew from constantly appealing to other editors to take an interest, checking on it only from time to time. Naturally, seeing this 3rd Afd, with few defenders, I had no choice but to jump in. You may be interested in reading some of my self published articles on CNN´s iReports.

http://www.ireport.com/people/DoDaCanaDa?view=documents&numResults=50

Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 18:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, Earl, what do you think of the section, ´Early Life and Conversion´ done by Steve Smith, formerly known as Sarcasticidealist? Except for that section, all the rest is not nearly as good as what your started with. If you have the time and interest, you should see how Hipocrite edited until Kingturtle was almost shamed into changing it. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 18:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As the creator of the subject BLP, I hope you might share in my disappointment that the editors calling for delete are totally ignoring the fundamental Wikipedia requirement of numerous independent, reliable newspaper references that determine Notability, and voting on emotion because I attempted to exhort Editors to improve it before another Afd tag was placed on it. I couldn´t improve it because of COI. Damned if I do and damned if I don´t!

Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 01:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Earl, I hope you´re following the Afd discussion. It´s beginning to heat up. Since it is your creation, I would hope you will take a greater interest in justifying your creation. Looking back on the time and chance that caused our separate, individual lives to intersect, as I showed myself to you and your co-volunteers at that time, is how I am. When you created the BLP, you had no idea how it would evolve.

It was amazing to me to discover, two years later, our brief encounters in two days, moved you to create the article. I must have been good that Day lol! You did a good thing although you do not realize the fullness of it yet. Peace. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 21:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I lost your e-mail address when my hard drive crashed. I would be happy to hear from you again. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 21:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Earl, you may be interested in this discussion and excellent comment by User:Steve_Smith here

User_talk:Crohnie#Cormier

Ray Joseph Cormier - Deleted

Earl, thank you for registering a keep in the AfD discussion, and for creating this BLP. I expect it is very difficult for some people to countenance a modern day prophet of the God of the Bible still living.

In my view, not because I was the subject of it, the deletion is ignoring and throwing away the foundation on which Wikipedia´s credibility is built, WP:N. God knows, I learned a lot about that guiding principle in the article talk as I encountered resistance in every attempt to have other editors improve it. I think it was a hasty and wrong decision to delete it. The reasons I think so are here,

User_talk:Hobit#Ray_Joseph_Cormier_-_Deleted

I will be washing my hands of Wikipedia. There is more politics than NPOV from what I have seen.

Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 02:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adieu

Earl, I suppose every Editor and Administrator in Wikipedia would be surprised to find on surfing the net, their BLP was there for two years. My first human reaction was Wow! That´s cool! Then the mystery and the questions started, who could have created this? I had no clue whatsoever. I had seen pages from Wikipedia online before, but I never actually looked into Wikipedia itself in great detail. Now I had reason. Soon enough I learned the basics and eventually found you.

As it lay buried with 30 to 60 views a month, as I developed it, views were approaching 2000 a month, then it was noticed. A small cabal of the same editors soon hovered over the Article and talk page determined it should not be improved, but deleted. For all the AFGing, I immediately saw that group did not have it. The third time is the charm the saying goes. Naturally, I would have preferred it be improved based on the numerous news sources available than deleted.

Only you know the Spirit you saw in me for the brief time Life brought us together and moved you to create a BLP on your reflections of such brief encounters. Even though it was deleted by WP:IAP rather than WP:N, I thank you for creating it. God keep you.

As for me, I take this stoically. The Lord gave, The Lord has taken away. Blessed be the Name of The Lord!

Thinking upon it, I have been greatly enriched by my experience with Wikipedia as exasperating and frustrating as it was most times. My writing skills have improved in discussion and debate. I´ve seen more politics than WP:NPOV which was an eye opener. And most importantly, I have been awakened and strengthened for the battles ahead as I continue. For all of this I am grateful. Peace Ray DoDaCanaDa (talk) 01:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Final Thought on this experience. Let there be no doubt or mistake about it. The Word is gone out within and without Wikipedia. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 14:50, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]