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@Novem Linguae: You had asked me to create a Toolforge account. I went to the link you provided. Is this the correct place to apply? They mention "member", "maintainer", "admin" and "developer". It's not clear to me if these terms are all equivalent or whether there are different levels of access and different ways to apply to each. I want to be sure I apply to the correct level of access.
If you would like me to spend more time reading the documentation before asking questions like this, please let me know which pages to focus on first. I will read up on jobs framework as you requested. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'll probably want to create an LDAP account, then request Toolforge membership. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After that, let's do the abandoned tool procedure by filing this ticket on Phab. I'd suggest that you file it and put both our usernames so we both get access. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Novem Linguae: As you can see in the next section below, that Yapperbot is running again. It started with this activity at 6:00, 21 February 2024. Is that your doing? --David Tornheim (talk) 08:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. And Naypta hasn't edited recently. It must be the toolforge people undisabling the bot for some reason? –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Novem Linguae: I will continue with our plan. It sounds like the urgency is less now. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done LDAP account created. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Toolforge membership request submitted. --David Tornheim (talk) 23:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Che Guevara

Just as an FYI, This is the blocked user in question. I try to keep an eye out for logged-out editing (which he is known to do), but I was less active until the last quarter of last year, and missed the spurt of activity under this and some related IPs. If the activity were more recent, I'd have filed at SPI and sought a rangeblock, if feasible. Grandpallama (talk) 18:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grandpallama: Thanks, when I asked about this, I wasn't questioning your judgment--I assumed you were an admin who knew what was up with the editor. But I was trying to figure out how an editor like me could find out that this came from an editor with a "bad" reputation. I looked in the usual places: (1) talk page (2) block logs. Nothing there. As a usual practice for me, when I see a new IP with no talk page, I try to have a welcome for multiple reasons: (1) To, of course, welcome them (2) Urge them to create an account, as it is so hard to track IP behavior (3) Encourage good editing and discourage bad editing (4) Provide a first warning for problematic edits (5) Keep a record for future editors as to whether the IP started off on the right or wrong foot. So, when I asked about putting a note there on the IP's talk page, it was mostly for (5). Make sense?

As a side note, how did you know it was the same editor--because it was in the same blockrange? I didn't look at any of the edits, so maybe it is obvious from the editing record. How do you know the editor won't use the IP again? Is that their M.O.? [Not asking to divulge the secrets of WP:checkuser if that was used.] --David Tornheim (talk) 20:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an admin--I'm sure I'd never pass any RFA! :)

Everything you say makes sense. I realized I hadn't named the editor on the talkpage, and I didn't want to seem like I was being coy, or that I'd lied and the situation wasn't as I'd described. My strikethrough had puzzled an admin, who also isn't familiar with the editor, which made me realize I should just go back and remove them altogether.

I recognize the IP as a result of previous interactions with him before his indef, when he was causing trouble by IP editing while blocked; there are also a number of behavioral and language tells to combine with the IP recognition. None of the edits I've seen are recent enough to justify taking it to SPI. Without giving too much away, I'll say he tends to post on talkpages to provoke a response, watch for someone to engage, then stir the pot; that was behind my initial inclination to strike out talkpage discussion that had served no purpose other than to create drama.

I don't know for certain that he won't have that same IP again, but it seems like they get randomly assigned to him within a small range, and I haven't yet seen it repeat. If you want more details to keep your own eye out, I'm happy to send you an e-mail through WP, but he avidly reads talkpages, so I'm loath to put too many tells on one. His usual pattern means that even if he gets that IP assigned again, and even though he might read the discussion at Che Guevara, he's unlikely to ever actually edit there again. Grandpallama (talk) 21:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grandpallama: Thanks for the explanation. No need for an email. I'll say he tends to post on talkpages to provoke a response, watch for someone to engage, then stir the pot; That's terrible. Now I understand why you struck-out the language, which I support after your explanation, especially if the goal is to protect other editors from falling into the trap of responding to the bait. If that's the case, rather than strike out the text--which, as you can see, calls more attention to it--I would be inclined to delete it or, even better, archive it. After all, experienced editors know that reporting first hand experience can be disregarded and no one but the editor who posted it is going to care if such irrelevant text is thrown in the dust bin of the talk page.

I do still think it is better to address the behavior issues on the editor's talk page, rather than on the article talk page. That's where I always look and probably that admin did too. I know how hard that is with IP jumpers, but I still think it is better, so that other editors know what is going on. At least that's what I prefer and try to do.

Do you think there is a chance that anyone else might ever use that same IP address? I don't know much about how people are able to use different IP's--I was thinking they might be at a school, university or library, and just use different computers or their friends' or family's computers. --David Tornheim (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I think of it, hatting would probably be the best solution--avoids the bother of trying to archive it. --David Tornheim (talk) 05:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@User:7&6=thirteen: Yum! Never heard of that. Looks delicious, like Tiramisu--the best I have ever had was at Steps of Rome in

North Beach, San Francisco, run entirely by vivacious Italians, who would often sing loudly to the Italian music and banter back and forth as the night wore on. The place was often out of control with noise and exciting energy. So sad to learn that it closed. Nothing like it anywhere I have been. :(

And thanks for working on and calling attention to M. Emmet Walsh. I was disappointed that it was considered to be in a sad state at the time of his death. When I first saw him in Blood Simple, I was so impressed, and I'm almost certain I looked at the article. I didn't remember it being too bad at the time--it's not that much worse than a number of actors--and now I regret I didn't work on it then! I'd probably jump in the fray to help out, but it looks like there are already enough eyes on it. Hope it is finished in time to get in the news. You can keep me posted if you think more eyes are need, only if you think that would make it more likely to get "in the news". --David Tornheim (talk) 20:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just watched Blood Simple That was a film that presaged later Coen Brothers. All the characters were grifters and worse. I tought Frances McDormand was under used, but Walsh was especially slimey and menacing. I've tried to update the article, and hope it will find its way to being approved. Hell, we had 300,000 views! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Frances McDormand did pretty well. I don't know of any other films she was in before that (without looking at her entry). So I think she was new.

As for Walsh, I thought he did such a great job creating that bizarre character--so characteristic of Coen Brothers' films. Those initial scenes really impressed me. --David Tornheim (talk) 23:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ITN has its own standards, and that's just what they do. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:7&6=thirteen: Thanks. I'll take a look. --David Tornheim (talk) 23:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. For the sake of simplicity and for everyone else, feel free to use he/him pronouns when referring to me. Regards, NoonIcarus (talk) 16:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'm a he/him. --David Tornheim (talk) 18:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tupac

In the lead of Tupac's page I had made some changes using professional sources that report the opinions of academics and experts but there is a user who always removes the content. What do I have to do? Pier1999 (talk) 19:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pier1999: Discuss on article talk page. Make sure not to cast aspersions. I recommend you read the section at the top of my user page (User:David_Tornheim)--Advice for New Editors. A number of things written there are applicable to your situation. Sorry I did not respond earlier. --David Tornheim (talk) 07:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit war

So why has the other participant not been warned of being involved in an edit war? It's not just me. We have a difference of opinion here is all. Darrencdm1988 (talk) 04:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because you were he one removing content without first gaining a consensus. Please see WP:BRD. --David Tornheim (talk) 04:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And they kept re-adding it after others have removed it in the past as well. Darrencdm1988 (talk) 04:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please show me the WP:DIFFs and I will reconsider. These issues need to be discussed on the article page, not on the talk pages of users. You go to the talk page to discuss improper editing behavior, but generally after discussing content concerns.--David Tornheim (talk) 04:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, this edit deleted two edits by other editors. I assume that was unintentional? Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 17:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Space4Time3Continuum2x: Ugggh. No. My mistake. Do you mind fixing it? Or do you want me to? --David Tornheim (talk) 17:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be easier if you just copied the text you added, then self-reverted your entry, and readded the copied text. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 17:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC). I can do it if you run into any problems. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 17:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another user just readded the missing edits. They may have been lost in an edit conflict. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 17:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed as I was trying to fix it. The self-revert didn't work. Yes, it was definitely an edit-conflict. Glad that is resolved! --David Tornheim (talk) 17:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sh*t happens!

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Hey David, do you think that you can do a new article? its called ″Siege of the Argentine embassy in Venezuela″, you can traduce it if you want.

http://es.wiki.x.io/wiki/Sitio_de_la_embajada_de_Argentina_en_Venezuela#Asedio_a_la_embajada This is the original article in spanish. ULIFOX 3XX (talk) 04:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ULIFOX 3XX: Thanks for the request. It looks like someone else already started the article: Siege_of_the_Argentine_Ambassador's_residence_in_Venezuela. Someone did a WP:PROD to delete it, which I removed, because I do intend to work on it. Please feel free to work on it.--David Tornheim (talk) 02:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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My reply was late, so I don't know if you received it. The text is on my talk page. Thanks for your attention.Merry medievalist (talk) 18:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

update I went back to look and saw that my plot had been replaced by an unnecessarily brief version that repeats the many significant errors that were there before. I just replaced it with my 600+ word version. This is the first time I have ever complained or asked for help. If you are too busy to deal with it, I hope you can refer me to someone else. Thank you. Merry medievalist (talk) 21:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I replied there about the film The Enchanted Cottage (1924 film) on your talk page. --David Tornheim (talk) 05:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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