User talk:DaQuirin

Welcome

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The Turk

Thanks for catching that. Do you know if Paul_I_of_Russia was the one I should have been directing it to? Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 18:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure, but I will try to check. And thank you for your effort (improving the article on the 'Chess Turk'). --DaQuirin 00:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul_I_of_Russia is correct. Tom Standage mentions in his book Prince Paul, the 'eldest son' of Catherine the Great. --DaQuirin 11:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Göttingen manuscript

Thanks for your fixes to Göttingen manuscript. I've looked at that page dozens of times, but still managed to miss simple typos and other infelicities. Quale 15:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ger.-Polish places

You make some good points about the Poles' treatment of the former German cities. They are indeed masterful restorers. However, I don't think the fact that the ex-Marienkirche in Danzig, for example, has been substantially restored and today exists as the Bazylika Mariacka means that Danzig as a city still exists. In it's place is Gdańsk, in many respects an interesting Polish city which, ethnically and culturally, is very different from Danzig, despite the presence of architectural artifacts from the ur-Stadt, if you will, that preceded it.

A case in point is the chuch mentioned above. Formerly it was the largest Protestant church in the world. Today it is the largest brick church in the world, and it is a Catholic church. Understand, I carry no brief for the Protestants and have no antipathy to Catholics. My point is that the people and their language and culture have changed. People are more significant than buildings. Of course, it would be an entirely different situation if the German territories transferred to Poland and the Soviet Union after Potsdam still were inhabited by Germans, as an ethnic minority in those countries, but they're not.

The reason I continue to make these observations on Wiki is to couteract the tendancy of some Poles to discuss these places as if they had always been Polish, and only illegally "occupied" by Germans for five or six centuries, and to disguise the reality of what happened to the German population in 1945-49. This is important because Germans are, and were, human beings, too — as, for example, were the Polish and Jewish residents of Lwów, which no longer exists. In its place is the Ukrainian city of Lviv. Sca (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS: For an interesting dicussion of current Polish-German relations, see this interview with Janusz Reiter, former Polish ambassador to Germany:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,527580,00.html

Sca (talk) 17:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your relevant input. The Reiter interview is a good read. The English wikipedia site is a fascinating place, but discussion of history topics here is a disappointing experience (so many hard-fought articles). Old Europe with its nationalisms is still alive! To a certain extent, one must simply accept the psychological background of the Polish approach. But the stubborn denial from some nationalists to make compromises etc. is a sad thing. In the end, it makes Wikipedia a less relevant place to know something about the history of both former East Germany and Poland.... --DaQuirin (talk)

PPS: Ich frage mich, was denken unser polnische Freunde um dieses?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,529320,00.html

Sca (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dalmatian Italians

Looks like the title has already been corrected; let me know if there are further troubles with the title. BTW, would you mind offering your opinion of a suggestion of mine about East Prussia? Olessi (talk) 17:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Carl or Karl Schorn

Hello! In the 19th century a form of Carl was more popular than Karl in Germany (like Curt not Kurt). Schorn used himself Latin form Carl (see for example, http://www.kunstmarkt.de/pagesmag/kunst/_id142974-/news_detail.html?_q=%20 http://muenchen.bayern-online.de/magazin/kultur/kunst/artikelansicht/die-sintflut/ http://www.oldandsold.com/articles36/painters-19.shtml). --Gruß, Mibelz 15:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, thank you so much for your many chess biographies (you are a busy man!). As for Carl or Karl, the common use was often changing in Germany. Sometimes names were differently spelled in the 19th century (like Karl or Carl Mayet), and for a while - as you say - it was more fashionable to spell "Carl" and so on. The birth (legal) name was in many cases written in the traditional way, so Louis Paulsen was born Ludwig for example, if I remember correctly. As for Schorn, I found in the more authoritative sources always Karl, so in the ADB article [1], Meyers Lexikon or Bachmann's "Aus vergangenen Zeiten", the classical work on Germany's chess history in the 19th century (based here on sources like Deutsche Schachzeitung). You will find some more weblinks in the German Karl Schorn wiki article. Google books gives for "Karl Schorn" /Maler (20) as compared to "Carl Schorn" / Maler (10). So your interesting finds prove only that Carl or Karl still makes not a big difference today or that in fact Schorn used at some time the Carl form. As a matter of fact, Schorn is as both painter and chess player nearly forgotten. So it is interesting, that his unfinished painting "The Deluge" (Sintflut) is now to be restored - the largest (!) painting that the Munich Neue Pinakothek owns... --DaQuirin (talk) 17:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS The Bilguer handbook writes "Carl Mayet", but again "Karl Schorn". --DaQuirin (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS For one of his paintings (the same as in the German wiki article), see Bildarchiv Foto Marburg [2] see "Künstler", "Schorn, Karl"; Neue Pinakothek website gives him only once [3], again "Karl". I don't know why now some new articles give him as "Carl". I suppose, Schorn himself would not much care about it :)) --DaQuirin (talk) 16:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thank you very much for your really interesting reply. In my opinion both forms, Carl and Karl, are correct. Perhaps, Carl - a Latinised form of the Germanic name Karl - is especially popular in Bavaria (some traces of Roman influence). By the way, it is a common joke in Germany that Bavaria is not part of Germany :)) --Best wishes, Mibelz 17:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Deutsche Schachzeitung

Thanks for catching my mistake on Deutsche Schachzeitung. You really pay attention to detail. Quale (talk) 01:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Europameisterschaft in München 1942

Hello! I have just added the Geschichte into German http://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Liste_der_Europameister_im_Schach (Europameisterschaft in München 1942). Would you be so kind to look at this, and improve it? Mibelz (talk) 19:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will try my best. Organizer was the short-lived Europa-Schachbund, inspired by Ehrhardt Post. A crazy chess period. --DaQuirin (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Mibelz 8:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Pippa Bacca

I have restored the content to User:DaQuirin/Bacca. If you can rewrite it with some more citations that show the notability of the case then I am prepared to restore it, but at the moment there is not really anything to show why it isn't just another news story about a murder (I remember it myself, but it doesn't appear to be a lasting story). Black Kite 18:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, I will try my best. --DaQuirin (talk) 22:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gyula Makovetz

Dear DaQuirin! Mibelz recommended you as a chess contibutor who knows English and German. The article about Gyula Makovetz seems much better in its German version. Could you please add to the English version? Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 12:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Lipke

(There was first a discussion on this issue here.) --DaQuirin (talk)

Hi! Look at an article CHESS (In Modern Times) in JewishEncyclopedia.com (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=437&letter=C), please.

Paul Lipke shared 2nd, behind Siegbert Tarrasch, at Leipzig 1894. -- Shalom, Mibelz 16:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't the Jewish Encyclopedia famously wrong with Carl Schlechter? I am not sure. --DaQuirin (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS: There is an odd Internet source for the claim [4] I dedicate this Art in the name of my Great-Great Grandfather Paul Lipke the First Jewish Grand Chess Master of Germany 1892 (which is wrong, Lipke won the Hauptturnier 1892, whereas Tarrasch won the DSB congress). There is not much known about him, so he maybe had a Jewish (grand)parent (?). But it's pure speculation of course. --DaQuirin (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DaQuirin! Imagine, I have already prepared a note on the Jewish background of Carl Schlechter and Boris Spassky to send to Wikipedia.

"There are discussions on Boris Spassky's, as well as Carl Schlechter's, Jewish roots. In Wiki Category:Jewish chess players includes not only religious Jews, but also atheists, catholics, orthodox, protestants, etc., with Jewish background, and even anti-Semites (i.e. Robert James Fischer), so the Outrage in Russia as Spassky puts name to rabidly anti-Semitic petition is not a decisive argument.

However, it is a fact that Jewish chess historians present Spassky and Schlechter as Jewish. See for example, Harold U. Ribalow & Meir Z. Ribalow, The Great Jewish Chess Champions (http://www.jewsinsports.org/Publication.asp?titleID=4&current_page=13 and http://www.jewsinsports.org/Publication.asp?titleID=4&current_page=21),

Jewish Reference, Sports - Jewish Chess Players (Schlechter, Spassky, etc.) (http://www.jewishreference.com/sports-chess.html)

Joseph Jacobs & A. Porter, Chess (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=437&letter=C),

10 Great Jewish Chess Masters (http://greatjews.net/chess.aspx), and

A Wolf on the Fold, in the Australasian Chess Review, 30 March 1938 (pages 71-72): (…) In no field have the Jews excelled more than in chess. A New Zealand correspondent gives us the following list of famous Jewish masters: Löwenthal, Zukertort, Steinitz, Chigorin, Lasker, Schlechter, Janowsky, Winawer, Tarrasch, Rubinstein, Bernstein, Spielmann. (http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html) - all about Schlechter,

or Felix Berkovich Jewish Chess Masters On Stamps reviewed by John Donaldson: "Berkovich leaves out Spassky, Smyslov, Fischer, and Kortchnoi, all of whom have Jewish mothers, but includes Kasparov, who had a Jewish father. The key criteria for inclusion for Berkovich is whether the player acknowledges their Jewish ethnicity." (http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jd/jd_jewish_chess_masters.html)"

What do you think about it? -- Shalom, Mibelz (talk), 20:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, it's exciting to interact with someone who shares the same interest in chess history. Now discussing 'Jewish ancestry matters' is a bit awkward for many Germans ... but nevertheless. About Spassky I am not too well informed. But on the Schlechter case there exists a well known discussion, starting from the 1920s (when he was already dead) to be stimulated again by Alekhine's infamous chess articles which (probably falsely) included Schlechter among the Jewish chess masters. Chess historian Edward Winter deals with the topic here. The most important quote is from Schlechter's modern biographer Warren Goldman: "Schlechter ‘was born of a Catholic family known for its industry and creativity in the field of music’." Until today, so fas as I know, there was never a real fact given about how he might be related to Jewish people. Moreover and generally speaking, it is difficult to answer the question when and how a potentially distant relationship makes somebody Jewish or not (and wasn't Paul Morphy an Irishman?). In Schlechter's case there is no real hint. Just repeating it over and over again, does not make it true without some concrete reference about his (potential) Jewish filiation or relatives. --DaQuirin (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply. I think that Carl Schlechter was born into a Catholic family with Jewish background (paternal or maternal ?!), so Jewish authors wrote/write about him as a Jewish chess master. By the way, it is a similar situation in Poland on national poet Adam Mickiewicz. Jewish encyclopedias presented/present his Jewish background from maternal side.

Today, User:Niemzowitsch has written to me: "I will tell you the very tolerant legal view of Israel regarding the immigrants that come to Israel: if someone was treated as a Jew by the Nuremberg Laws he was aloud to enter Israel as a Jew, even if the Halakha would not recognize him as a Jew. By this definition both Kasparov and Fischer are Jews."

All the best, User:Mibelz 15:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mannheim 1914 chess tournament

I have created an article Mannheim 1914 chess tournament with two crosstables (Meisterturnier and Hauptturnier A). Have you any information on final results of Haupturnier B or C (Brach and Rudniev won) there? -- Mibelz (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz, good work, I found the results of the "Hauptturnier B" (and of the "Nebenturniere" which are not relevant enough in my view). I will add that information, takes one day or two. Just one comment: Hallégua (the mysterious man) etc. did not "win" the aborted tournament, strictly speaking. So, Hallégua (Halegua, I found out, is a Sephardic jewish name, still common in Istanbul), did not become "Meister des Deutschen Schachbundes" (which corresponded to an IM title or even more). --DaQuirin (talk) 12:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The continuing discussion was moved here. --DaQuirin (talk) 00:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovo independence article

User Emil J. has opened a section and said that the current reference doesn't work and suggested that quotes were fabricated and I provided the new source and I have shown the quotes from the new source. Now maybe you should check out what is the discussion in that talk section all about before turning on the attack mode after seeing words like "Putin" or "precedent". I didn't post them for fun but because that was the subject of discussion. --Avala (talk) 13:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So let us bury the hatchet. I am troubled to see here these eternal struggles between editors (some of them émigrés) whereas their nations will end up (hopefully) being united some way or another and living peacefully side by side. --DaQuirin (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

General Government

Hi! I have written an article General Government chess tournament last evening. Do you know whether Generalgouvernement had its own flag (like Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren) or that flag was the same as the flag of Großdeutsches Reich? -- Mibelz (talk) 08:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting crosstables! There was probably a (German) chess federation of the General Government, linked to the Großdeutscher Schachbund (represented by Paul Mross in the Europaturnier 1941). As for the flag: There seems to have been no distinct flag [5]. As the term Generalgouvernement implies, it was to be seen as a temporary unit during a war situation (with the territory to be fully annexed later and possibly divided into some new Nazi territories). --DaQuirin (talk) 12:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tassilo's name

Thanks for the information about abbreviations. I hadn't noticed that City of London Chess Magazine′s notes on Von der Lasa vs G. Nielsen at Copenhagen mis-spelled the name "Heydebrandt", but will update the article to point that out. Can you provide an exampe of the same abbreviation spelt correctly?

I can't remember where I saw "Der Lasa", which is frustrating — can you provide an example?

Are there any other manglings of his name in chess books and articles?

If you could provide a source, the joke "Good morning, dear Heydebrand. How is von der Lasa doing?" should be included - Wikipedia desperately needs humour.

Is your comment that there are three correct abbreviations ("von Heydebrand", "Heydebrand" or "von der Lasa") based on your knowledge of German or is there a source for it? -- Philcha (talk) 07:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that "clarification". More seriously, thanks for the source of the joke! -- Philcha (talk) 13:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hermann von Gottschall

Finishing our discussion, I would like to agree with you on Hermann von Gottschall, Erich Ludendorff and Paul von Hindenburg but not on Edward Lasker and other Polish Jews. There is not essential differences between - for example - Edward Lasker, Samuel Reshevsky and Max Judd. All of them were born into Jewish families in Poland; first in Greater Poland (Prussian Provinz Posen), second in Masovia (Russian Priwislanskij Kraj), third in Lesser Poland (Austrian Galizien), began playing chess among Polish Jews and then emigrated to the United States. They were not Poles but Polish (and others) chess players. However, Emanuel Lasker was German, Pomeranian, Jewish chess player, and Siegbert Tarrasch - German, Silesian, Jewish chess player, not Polish chess players.

In my opinion, Nicolaus Copernicus was Polish, German, Prussian astronomer, Daniel Chodowiecki - German, Polish, Pomeranian painter, Adam Mickiewicz - Polish, Lithuanian, Belorusian, Jewish poet, etc. Shalom, User:Mibelz - European, Galician, 16:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Chodowiecki

Thanks for your opinion and an image of Daniel Chodowiecki's tombstone. I have been several times in Berlin (East, West, and united), and saw the French-Protestant Church but not its cemetary. By the way, what German city are you from, and what Polish region are your ancestors from?

Do you know that Friedrich Nietzche had Polish noble ancestors? --User:Mibelz 18:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't hear about Nietzsche, that is interesting. For the location of the historic Französischer Friedhof, see the geographical Koordinaten top right. We are all pretty much mixed up some way or another... I am a bit careful with personal details on wiki - nothing gets lost here (later, I will add an E-Mail address, and I am ready for exchange by that means). I only know about German ancestry in what is now Poland, but going back some generations, some Slavic names pop up. What was really going on - switch of identities, languages - was much more complex than what the nationalists from all sides would agree. In a book by the German historian Hartmut Boockmann (on East Prussia) I once found an interesting detail when an eye-witness around 1820 reported that he was so surprised to see in his home region (some part of the Ermland) that nearly everybody was speaking German now whereas twenty years before Polish (Masurian) was still the common language. And such things happened not only in one direction. --DaQuirin (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I understand you. It is very interesting to study history of Europe, especially Central Europe, because of its complexity and numerous complications. By the way, Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria is my favourite monarch (like for my maternal grandfather was). Lastly, I have read Golo Mann's splendid book "Deutsche Geschichte des 19. und 20. Jahrhunderts" (1958, the Polish edition - 2007). Best regards, Mibelz (talk), 20:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Friedrich Nietzsche

See Radwan coat of arms, and its chapter Friedrich Nietzsche as Polish Nobleman Controversy, please. Nietzsche often claimed that his ancestors were Polish noblemen called either "Niëtzky" or "Niëzky" (Polish family Nicki). --Mibelz, 21:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posen chess club

In an article CHESS IN FORMER GERMAN, NOW POLISH TERRITORIES plus some words on neighbouring areas, in Polish by Henryk Konaszczuk - konash@interia.pl - based on Fred van der Vliet's book, there are some information about chess tournaments in Posen.

„Morphy” Club from Breslau lost two matches to Poznański Klub Szachowy from Posen (1.5–4.5) in 1927, and (3–7) in 1929. Pastor August Rhode played for Polish Poznan team. http://www.astercity.net/~vistula/fredvandervliet.htm

In July 1940, Ahues and Elstner (5.5/7) won, ahead of Rogmann and Elison (both 4/7), Meyer (3.5), Wacker (2.5), Wiedenmann (1.5) and Kansky (0.5) in Posen.

In the end of 1940, Rogmann won (2.5) , ahead of Meyer and Siegfried (both 1.5) and Wiedenmann (0.5) in Posen (Quadrangular).

In 1940-41 (the 2nd Posen-ch), Meyer won (14.5), ahead of Siegfried (12), Witte, pastor Rhode and Lueth. http://www.astercity.net/~vistula/fredvandervliet2.htm

In May 1943, Paul Keres (5/5) won, followed by Ernst Gruenfeld (4), Gustav Rogmann (3), Georg Kieninger (1,5), Eysser (1) and Bickenbach (0,5) in Posen. http://www.chessarch.com/excavations/0020_keres/keres.shtml

I have also found another note about Posen chess (in Polish): prof. Andrzej Kwilecki, Szachy w Poznaniu 1839-1988 (Poznań 1990), and Roman Mus, Partie i kombinacje szachistów poznańskich (Poznań 1991).

--Mibelz, 09:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Hans Müller won at Posen 1944 (Reichsmeisterschaft Kraft durch Freude). --Mibelz, 09:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the detailed info. I will come back to this topic soon. --DaQuirin (talk) 13:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anderssen's grave

The discussion was moved to Talk:Adolf Anderssen --DaQuirin (talk) 18:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two discussions

Hello DaQuirin! If you are interested, would you mind offering guidance at Talk:Prussian estates and Talk:Episcopal Duchy of Warmia? Olessi (talk) 00:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Olessi! As usually you are doing a perfect job with the Prussian articles. As for Warmia, this is really complicated stuff! Too many articles here on Warmia, if you ask me.... Your question: I do not know when the temporal powers of the bishops were ended; I conjecture that the 1820 (or 1821?) bull "De salute animarum" ended that status.. Well, this must have ended already with the annexation by the Kingdom of Prussia in 1772 or do you have any specific information otherwise? In the Geman Ermland article it is explicitly stated: "Den völligen Verlust seiner Souveränität", or: Warmia suffered the complete loss of its sovereignty in 1772 in spite of protests by the last Prince-Bishop Ignatius Krasicki (asking the Pope for help). Maybe they kept the prince-bishop title for a while, but from 1772 Warmia was ruled by the Prussian king - and that was it. In the main period (from what I found) there was a differentiation of parts of the territory ruled by the bishop and other parts ruled by the chapter. Did you find anything about this? And for the early period: the Bishops had gained the status of Reichsfürsten in the 14th century (though the territory was not part of the HRE / or this was probably more or less unclear as with the Order state). So these are just some ideas for now. --DaQuirin (talk) 03:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schach-Olympia 1936

Hi! I have a technical problem to put my reply into German Diskussion at Schach-Olympia 1936. Would you be so kind to do it for me? Gruß, Mibelz, 19:00, 23. Sep. 2008 (CEST)

Dear DaQuirin, vielen Dank für Deine Antwort! It is a pity that other deutsche Benutzer have a different point of view or knowledge on it. Of course, many Jewish chess masters played at Munich 1936 (http://www.olimpbase.org/1936x/1936id01.html), more than I wrote. Most of them played also in Schacholympiade 1939 (http://www.olimpbase.org/1939/1939id01.html). Do you know why the name of the ship "Priapolis" have become an epitome of the Chess Noah's Ark for next generations?

I would like to present some examples where Jewish authors wrote/write about Jewish chess players. In "Encyclopedia Judaica" (Gerald Abrahams/Editorial Staff), Vol. 5 (Keter Publishing House, Jerusalem, 1972, pp. 401-410) there are, among others, following famous Jewish chess masters: Paulino Frydman (POL), Erno Gereben (HUN), Imre König (YUG), Boris Kostić (YUG), Miguel Najdorf (POL), Endre Steiner (HUN), Lajos Steiner (HUN), László Szabó (HUN). See also, "The Jewish Lists" by Martin Greenberg (Schocken, New York, 1979, pp. 210-214). In "Arcymistrzowie, mistrzowie, amatorzy... Słownik biograficzny szachistów polskich", Wyd. DiG, Warszawa 1995 (tom 1), 1999 (tom 3), by Tadeusz Wolszcza, there are articles, among others, on Henryk Friedman (POL) and Henryk Pogorieły (POL).-- Grüße, Mibelz, 18:43, 23. Sep. 2008 (CEST)

Done. By the way, a new book has been published right now Eine Kulturgeschichte der Schach-Olympiaden (kind of a political history of the Chess Olympiads). I will try to include some information as soon as I can get it. Just to explain: German user Z-- did not want to hide facts from an apologist point of view - quite the contrary (he wrote an interesting critical article on Großdeutscher Schachbund for example), he is just a bit too cautious as for identifying / naming Jews in (not only) Chess articles because he thinks it to be improper (the German wikipedia does not have even Jewish people categories). Trying not to make any mistake... and going finally in the wrong direction :) For the flags on the other hand, I agree with leaving them out. There is a large discussion under way on the German site about the use of (especially the swastika) flages where it's not necessary (and there could be some legal problems too in Germany). best,--DaQuirin (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! Sometimes I can add an information into the German Wikipedia (i.e. de:Liste der bedeutendsten Schachturniere, the periods 1801-1900 and 1901-1949, or first three replies in de:Schach-Olympia 1936) but sometimes not (a problem with IP and login). Anyway, I try to do it. PS> Have you got Eine Kulturgeschichte der Schach-Olympiaden? -- Mibelz (talk) 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you log in as a regular user there, making it easier. I did it in the Polish wiki (see pl:Wikipedysta:DaQuirin, though I can add only some spelling corrections and interwiki links... I saw the book, it deals extensively with the Schach-Olympia and I will try to get it and include this information. --DaQuirin (talk) 11:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that German Benutzer Zipferlak has an emotional problem with a fact of Jewish chess masters' participation in 3rd unofficial Chess Olympiad at Munich 1936. --Mibelz 8:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo / Poland

Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the article International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. Thank you. --Avala (talk) 11:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that I removed your misleading edit without a more detailed comment. It should be properly discussed on the talk page. --DaQuirin (talk) 11:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That part of the table is not about recognition. He didn't dispute that. It is clearly about the diplomatic relations.--Avala (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit was misleading insofar as it said that the President intended to block diplomatic relations in general (which would of course be putting recognition in question in a certain way) whereas his statement was nuanced and could easily be summarized the proper way. Please just try to be more precise next time! --DaQuirin (talk) 12:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Franz Jacob

Hi! Do you know whether Franz G. Jacob (who played at Munich 1900, Ostend 1907, Duesseldorf 1908, and resigned after the 6th round at Hamburg 1910), and Franz Jacob (who represented Saar at Helsinki 1952 and played at Munich 1954, zonal) is the same person ? I have only found that Franz Jacob was born in 1870 (possibly ca. 1870). --Mibelz (talk) 11:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, sorry for my late response. Actually, I can't answer the question. It is a very common name. If there is anything which links the early "Franz G. Jacob" to the Saar region... --DaQuirin (talk) 02:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Kieseritzky

Hello! You wrote: "Kieseritzky had Russian nationality" in the Revision history of List of nationality transfers in chess. It is not true. Lionel Kieseritzky was born in Dorpat, Estonia into a Baltic German family, probably with some Polish roots ("Zagadka Kieseritzky'ego" by Tomasz Lissowski and Bartlomiej Macieja, Warsaw 1996. http://www.astercity.net/~vistula/linelkieseritzky.htm). Maybe R.K. Kieseritzky had Russian nationality ?!

You have also written: "both Amelung and Ascharin were Russian citizens with some ethnic German beackground". It is correct but citizenship, nationality and native country do not mean the same thing. Estonia and Latvia as well as Poland were not part of Russia although were provinces in the Russian Empire in the 19th century.

I hope you do not think that for example Frederic Chopin had Russian nationality although he was a Russian citizen. --Mibelz (talk) 17:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that I can't follow your misled "Flaggenparade", putting the borders of 20th century states back into history and assuming a "change of nationality" where nothing of the like did actually happen. I am really astonished and disappointed about this ahistoric viewpoint. For the specific cases: Maybe you don't know that Dorpat and Riga were historically not part of Estonia, but (for centuries) part of Livonia (see also Governorate of Livonia) - that is "Dorpat, Livonia" or "Riga, Livonia". You won't find a historical source that calls Kieseritzky Estonian or Latvian but only a "Baltic" or (more often) a "Livonian chessplayer" (if you can't accept the reality of multinational empires). Apart from that, to assume a "change of nationality" for Baltic Germans who just moved between different parts of their historic homelands, would be misleading in many regards. Especially in the case of Andreas Ascharin I think your claim is virtually absurd. He was a proud Russian (with a German mother), orthodox Christian, translater of Russian literature into German. His active chess career took place in Saint Petersburg. With all due respect, you should be a little bit more careful with the "flag-tagging" of historic chessplayers. --DaQuirin (talk) 21:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category: Jewish chess players

Hi! Do you know the name of an user who is the moderator of Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess? Now, a wikipedist User:Hubschrauber729, probably from Germany, destroys the Category:Jewish chess players. I think, it is time to stop him. Maybe the moderator could block his page.

PS. In May 2009, I have been in China, and I have just expanded considerably articles: History of the Jews in China and Kaifeng Jews. By the way, I know a history of Livonia quite well. -- Shalom, Mibelz (talk) 11:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz, nice to hear from you. The history of Jews in Asia is a truly fascinating topic. As for user Hubschrauber (means "Helicopter"): After checking his edits, I don't think that he wants to destroy the whole category. First, I reverted some of his obviously false edits. In some cases, references on the talkpage (Jewish Encylopedia and the like) would be helpful. To me, it seems partly a matter of style. In Izak Aloni's case there are five (!) categories dealing with him being Jewish. --DaQuirin (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

simple:Gambit

Thanks for readding the interwiki link from Gambit. If I knew the people over at simple: would fix their problem (having the "Gambit" article be about an X-Men character is definitely a problem) within a matter of minutes (not bad!), I wouldn't have removed it in the first place. —JAO • T • C 08:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roele

Happy New Year (Chinese)!

Have you got any information about Roele (a Dutch chess player ?) who took 11th at Munich 1942 (Europameisterschaft, Wertungsturnier, won by Gösta Danielsson) ? See, European Individual Chess Championship, please. Roele also tied for 7-8th at Amsterdam 1939 (the Dutch Chess Championship won by Salo Landau). http://www.rogerpaige.me.uk/tables10.htm

Charles Roele-Coeuraad is also the name of a French chess player (from Normandy ?!), born on 7th April 1917 (where ?). ?!) http://www.echecsplus.com/elo/f17.html (Elo Bas–Normands). However, the name seems to be Dutch in origin. -- Warm regards, Mibelz (talk) 20:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz, fine that you are coming back to your chess biographies. As for Roele, I have no real clue. But I suppose that if his first name is "Charles", it's one and the same person. In France Dutch (or Flemish) names are quite common (see French Flanders). But it's only a guess... --DaQuirin (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. Yes, it is possible that Roele, who played at Amsterdam 1939 and Munich 1942, and Charles Roele-Coeuraad (b. 1917) is the same person. The answer to this question ought to be in chess books, i.e. Anthony J. Gillam; Swift, A J (2001), 1st European championship Munich 1942, Nottingham: The Chess Player, or Alfred Brinckmann, Europa-Schach-Rundschau: Band 1 Europameisterschaft Munchen 1942 . Unfortunately, I have not got them. -- Mibelz (talk) 22:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PS. My e-mail address: mibelz.galicia@gmail.com

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