User talk:Barryob/Archive 5

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My RfA

Thank you very much for your support for my admin application, which recently closed successfully (36/3/1). I hope I can continue to justify the confidence that you have placed in me. If there is any way that I can help out more, please drop me a line. Thanks again. - 52 Pickup (deal) 21:53, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

image

I am bout to upload your cropped version of the image "Ian_Paisley.JPG" to wiki commons, but the original uncroped version is no longer available on the wiki. Perhaps, you could upload it to wikicommons. Snowman (talk) 22:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The camera data indicates that the photo taken on 14 May 2007. Is this correct? Snowman (talk) 22:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

File:David,larry.JPG		My RFA
		Thank you muchly for your support in my recent request for adminship, which was successfully closed on 76%, finishing at 73 supports, 23 opposes and 1 neutral. The supports were wonderful, and I will keep in mind the points made in the useful opposes and try to suppress the Larry David in me! Now I'm off to issue some cool down blocks, just to get my money's worth! Kidding btw. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 11:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi, I'd like to say welcome to Wikipedia:WikiProject politics of the United Kingdom! This project has only just been set up, so you may want to help with setting up tasks or the project page, or just help with any of the current tasks. Have a good day =) Rossenglish (talk) 20:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Drawing-4.svg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Drawing-4.svg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 22:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Help? (If you can)

Hey. I saw you created images for the South Londonderry and Antrim seats in the old N I parliament. I've recently written the article for East Tyrone and wondered if you could do an image for it?. Would be very grateful Totalitariandemocrat (talk) 23:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I will create a map and sorry ment to reply sooner --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 21:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The user making the request has now changed his username to something I forget in order to avoid several indefinite blocks. He claims to have now repented. Big Brother watches nonetheless.Traditional unionist (talk) 16:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I see, ah well will still finsh the rest of the maps in due course. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 16:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You've changed my signature

Why did you do so on Scotland's talk page? Tomeasy (talk) 16:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Apologies not sure how I managed to do that. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 16:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Assembly Constituency Maps

You've uploaded a map which is used to illustrate the Welsh Assembly constituency of ceredigion. The map shows the constituency of Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire, and is a duplicate of its map. Ceredigion is the coastal constituency in the centre of the image. 86.130.167.239 (talk) 15:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

fixed --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 16:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Mediation for Scotland article

As an agreement between editors at Scotland seems ever more unlikely, some users have decided to contact mediation. However, mediation require the acceptance of all involved parties. Would you be willing to accept? Thanks for your compliance...--Cameron (t|p|c) 21:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Neilston

Looking at the edit history of Ima Hogg, I'm dreading Neilston being on the main page tomorrow! Thanks for the nudge/edit about the regional consituency though. Much appreciated. :) --Jza84 | Talk 23:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Scotland maps

Hello Barybob! Can you contribute to the discussion on the Scottish map page please?♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 21:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but I gave up on that a long time ago far to much pov. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 21:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed!

I think we actually agree on something for once (at Wales!)! Great stuff!... actually, I was hoping to ask your thoughts on something I'm putting together at User:Jza84/Sandbox1. It's a possible extension to the lead section of the Scotland article. As we tend to have alternative perspectives on things, I was wondering if your input might make a draft lead more "palletable" to more folk? --Jza84 | Talk 22:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Scotland

Hello Barrybob, I have come up with an idea at Scotland talk page and would like an opinion from you. I might be a little naive but I felt I had to try! --Jack forbes (talk) 12:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Ireland

Just wondering what the story is with you. You're a member of WikiProject_Unionism_in_Ireland yet you say you support a United Ireland?.Wikipéire (talk) 20:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikiprojects are not political groupings they are there to help improve articles on a specific subject. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 20:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Old Flag of France

Hello. Please don't enter the royal standard () as national flag of the Kingdom of France. Its national flag was the white Drapeau blanc (File:Flag of the Kingdom of France.png), not the lily banner (see articles about the flag of France in the anglophone, francophone, German, etc. wikipedia). Thank you. Louis88 (talk) 12:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It was the national flag of the Kingdom of France during the Bourbon Restoration see [1] --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 13:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Why then doen the 1820 painting "Surrender of Lord Cornwallis" show the white flag as flag of France instead of the lily banner? I doesn't seem to be the white naval ensign here... Louis88 84.131.233.202 (talk) 15:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Its possible that the white flag was the only one available or the painter got it wrong. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 15:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, that seem's to be more theoretical than my explanation... ;-) I'd like to know where the author of that page has got the information from that the lily banner was the Restoration's flag... Louis88 84.131.223.73 (talk) 08:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you give some other evidence? Everything I've read before says that the pre-revolutionaty AND the restored Bourbon monarchy hat the white drapeau as national flag. Louis88 84.131.183.157 (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

As France was an Absolute Monarchy under the Bourbons, particularly with Louis XIV, in which France was the personal possession of the king (encapsulated in the possibly apocryphal, but nevertheless indicative, quote by Louis XIV: "L'État est Moi"), the Royal Flag of France should be used for the period 1624-1789. The Fleur de Lís of the ruling Bourbon family imposed on the white field of that flag demonstrates this. The idea of a 'national flag' predominating a royal flag at this time is an anachronism as the modern Nationalism idea of the French nation only comes into existence during the revolution. Wars during this period could only be conducted at the behest of the king of France, not the nation of France.Tttom1 (talk) 14:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

see:

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgdisplaylargemeta.cfm?strucID=585779&imageID=1236061&parent_id=585395&word=&s=&notword=&d=&c=&f=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&lword=&lfield=&num=0&imgs=12&total=98&pos=1&snum=

on the reverse of this plate it says: "Le pavillon royal était véritablement le drapeau national au dix-huitième siecle...Vue du chateau d'arrière d'un vaisseau de guerre de haut rang portant le pavillon royal (blanc, avec les armes de France)."

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgdisplaylargemeta.cfm?strucID=585780&imageID=1236062&parent_id=585395&word=&s=&notword=&d=&c=&f=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&lword=&lfield=&num=0&imgs=12&total=98&pos=2&snum=

also:

http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/~mudws/flag/history.htm

"Flags of France, 1682-1763. LaSalle planted the white flag of the Bourbon kings of France at the mouth of the Mississippi River in 1682, and Iberville made the settlement at Ocean Springs under the same flag in 1699. Three golden fleurs-de-lis appeared on nearly all the Bourbon flags, though sometimes it was entirely white. The blue field of the French flag had officially disappeared by royal decree of Louis XIV in 1659." Similarly: http://www.tfdc.org/FrenchFlags.htm

It appears there were at least 4 flags in general use: 1. White field with 3 gold fleur de lís( changed from the Valois dynasty blue field), 2. White field with many fleurs and the royal coat of arms in center, 3. White field with many fluers, 4. Plain white field. Adding to the general confusion, the royal french army carried a number of flags with each regiment having 2 colors, at least: the regimental color (drapeau d'ordonnonce) and a colonel's color( drapeau-colonel), the colonel's color is usually a white cross on a white field and there may have been similar all white flags for generals - this may account for the flag in the painting above. This plate shows some variations of white colonel's flags of swiss regts in french service: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgdisplaylargemeta.cfm?strucID=589359&imageID=1236663&parent_id=585401&word=&s=&notword=&d=&c=&f=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&lword=&lfield=&num=48&imgs=12&total=63&pos=60&snum=Tttom1 (talk) 15:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Och aye the noo

I have removed your speedy delete tag (and, apologies, I rollbacked when I should have used an edit summary) because the article does have context. If you believe that the article should be deleted (non notable, Wikipedia's not a dictionary, whatever) feel free to take it to AfD. J Milburn (talk) 16:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Lib Dem colours

Baaryob I've left the discussion up at both locations for over six months for anyone to give their opinions. All those given where that the same colour should be used for all Liberal Democrats and that the correct one was in use. If you wish to change this by all means start a new discussion at either the Scotish Liberal Democrats page or the Parliamentary projects page. - Galloglass 14:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Barryob if you wish to change it, the correct way forward is to continue the discussion at Talk:Scottish Liberal Democrats rather than taking unilateral action. I hope you will do so. Thanks - Galloglass 13:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

There was no reply to my response on the talk page. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 15:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Having been working 12 hour days for the past 3 days, I'm afraid I don't really have time between sleeping and working at the moment. I'd appreciate it if you would restart the discussion on either of the current 2 locations as starting a third strikes me as unnecessary. Thanks - Galloglass 23:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Have no un-archived the discussion here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies and I hope you will take up some of the points made there. Thanks - Galloglass 23:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Royal Standard (United Kingdom)

Hi, the new images you added on Royal Standard (United Kingdom) don't seem to display properly in thumbnail size. The Lion Rampant's colours are distorted. --Breadandcheese (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

fixed --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 17:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Order of First minister Vote

Hey just wanted to tell you there is a vote currently going on on the scotland talk page about the order of the first minister on the right hand table on the scotland page. --Duckie for broadway (talk) 19:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

consistancy

Had to laugh at your last post on the Scotland talk page. For the love of God, consistancy!! ;) --Jack forbes (talk) 21:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Macgrew (talk · contribs)

Hi. I just removed your addition of the {{sockpuppeteer}} tag from this user's userpage because he has not been indefinitely blocked, although his sockpuppet is.

Just letting you know!

Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 15:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Page moves

Hi Barry. Please remember to fix double redirects after making page moves. You left six of them when you moved Irish Government to Government of Ireland. Fixing links on templates, e.g. {{Governments of Ireland‎}}, is also advisable.

Also, please be careful of blind reverts - this added back in obvious vandalism (i.e. the ¾ sign at the top). Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 12:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Er, I've just noticed you did exactly the same thing (i.e. not fixing double redirects) for Secretary-General of the United Nations. This is a major article, and leaving broken links to this is very unhelpful. Please go through your edit history and make sure you haven't left any other broken links after moves. Thanks, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Desperate Housewives

Check here: Template talk:Desperate Housewives and participate in the discussion please. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Map at Kingdom of Scotland

Hi. Not quite sure why you reverted the change to the map at Kingdom of Scotland. New version is simply a zoomed in version of the old map, bringing the scale to that approximating to the map at the Scotland article. Not a change of content so much as a close up version with more detail seen as a result. Hope that explains things fully. Regards 80.41.209.149 (talk) 08:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Check it out:

It is not shown as an orange dot the image on the page is 250 px and cleary shows the Kingdom of Scotlands position realtive to europe. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 17:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

British House of Commons

Since your move of the aforementioned article to House of Commons of the United Kingdom last February seems to have passed without a comment (so far as I can see), perhaps it would be equally uncontroversial to move Speaker of the House of Commons, in order to resolve the current mismatch. However, Speaker of the House of Commons of the United Kingdom is rather long and convoluted. What is your opinion on this? Waltham, The Duke of 01:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Speaker of the House of Commons (United Kingdom) isn't a bad idea the only reason I did not choose that for the HoC article is that nearly all legislatures us the format chamber of country --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 21:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry—I had forgotten to reply. Busy watchlist...

Your idea solves the problem of length, but, as you say, it introduces a new inconsistency. And I am not very fond of introducing acronyms in titles. If it weren't for the inconsistency with the House of Commons of the United Kingdom, I might actually be rather content; British does mean "of the United Kingdom".

So... Stumped again. Waltham, The Duke of 02:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Irish constituency maps

Hi Barryob, you created all the RoI constituency maps like Image:Cork East (Dáil Éireann constituency).png. I was wondering if there was one of the Republic of Ireland with the current constituencies drawn but without any of the constituencies highlighted? Likewise for the Dublin constituencies. The maps would be useful on Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland. Tx, Snappy56 (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I will have a rummage through my folder to see what I can find I think a have an svg version somewhere also all the maps need to be updated some are showing pre 2007 borders ! --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 20:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

This is one fuck of a coincidence (sorry for the foulmouthiness, but the extra workload implied by today's ToL rejection is...well, it's so big that the English language has not yet developed a word for it) but http://up.wiki.x.io/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Results_of_the_June_2008_referendum_on_the_Twenty-eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland.png here may fit your bill. I've checked it as per Irish govt and I think it's right (if it looks gray when you look it, it's 'cos there's a cache problem - I think. Just click on it once/twice to see it in all its pastel glory) as per the May 2007 election. If you want me to upload an uncolored version, just ask. The reason why I'm here in the first place is to ask User:Barryob if he could rattle off a SVG map of same, since he seems to be SVG map dude. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Will this do? Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks good but it might talk a bit longer for an SVG version it looks as if I have accidentally saved over the old constituency map with the post 2007 ones do'h --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 16:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Ouch! Ive had a further look and it seems broadly OK. More details and sources here and here. I think the constituencies in May 2007 (election) are the same as the 2007 Oireachtas map, accessed from here: please point out if I've got it wrong. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 02:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much to both of you. The maps are really great for constituency articles, a thousand words and all that! Snappy56 (talk) 17:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Please sign the petition

I don't usually do this kind of thing but would you please sign the Come back Jack petition. Our fellow Wikipedian and respected editor User:Jack forbes has sadly decided to retire. Hopefully when he sees how many other Wikipedians really value his edits he will decide to come back! Thanks, --Cameron (T|C) 12:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Scotland

I've not critatized you Barry, so please don't describe my postings as borderline trolling. It's not as though, I've been edit warring on that article. GoodDay (talk) 21:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I never said you criticised me, and you have raised this is several times each resulting in Country being the accepted term its time to let go. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 17:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I've let go. GoodDay (talk) 20:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Others? bringing up the constituent country arguement? Anyways, I'm staying away from it. GoodDay (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, I'm back in it again. But this time, I'm not the point of the arrow. Here's hoping Scotland falls in with the others. GoodDay (talk) 22:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Fonez4mii

Thank you for letting me know. Please see my reply on User talk:Jehochman. Yechiel (Shalom) 22:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Infobox country

I was in the middle of doing that when you left me the message; I had a look when testing and noticed it was interfering with the Government section. Thanks for checking it as well! Regards. Woody (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Alex Salmond

Why did you revert my edit to Alex Salmond's infobox? Thanks. --Philip Stevens (talk) 16:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

The Brown page is quite different. Dunfermline East was abolished and most of the constituency became Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath. With Salmond however, he was the MSP for Banff and Buchan until 2001 when Stewart Stevenson took over, then Salmond became MSP for Gordon in 2007. I think my edit should be returned as they show the dates and successor of Salmond's first seat. --Philip Stevens (talk) 17:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the year should be changed, he wasn't MSP for Banff and Buchan (1999-2003) as he resigned in 2001. --Philip Stevens (talk) 18:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Lisbon Treaty - Belgian federative entity governments

I really don't get what you are talking about: In Belgium, for a federal bill to become the law of the land, it must be approved by the federal parliament and then receive Royal Assent (the King being part of the federal level only). For every federative entity, it's just the same - approval by the relevant parliamentary assembly and assent by the entity's government. How can you mention the assent on the federal level, but not the assents on the level of the different federative entities? There is strictly no difference between the legal value and necessity of these different assents! And an international treaty cannot be ratified without the approval by a law/decree/ordinance of every entity whose competencies are concerned (in the case of the Lisbon treaty all entities are concerned). Finally, there is no "hierarchy" with some kind of superiority of the federal level either; where a treaty would concern regional and community matters but not touch on federal competencies, no federal Act of Assent is needed and thus no Royal Assent, but indeed the approval of the competent assemblies and the assent of the regional/community governments.

I can find you the relevant sources in legislation if you need it (in French or Dutch - and when I have the time...), but in the meantime take it from me that I do have a Belgian law degree and I know what I'm talking about. Sigur (talk) 21:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 90 support, 2 oppose, and 0 neutral.

All the best, Ben MacDui ^Talk/Walk 20:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

3RR report

Hello Barryob. Though the result of your 3RR report is that the IP is blocked, you went over three reverts yourself. (All reverts are counted unless they are the kind that would be recognized by any editor as vandalism). Please be careful in the future. In a case like this it would be easy to get the help of an admin, and it is not necessary to run the risk of trouble yourself. EdJohnston (talk) 04:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Greater Glasgow

I am currently setting up a wikiproject on Greater Glasgow and could use your support or help here Andrew22k (talk) 22:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

John Whyte

Using Whyte as a source for Government discrimination isn't quite wrong, but is a gross simplification. "The most serious charge against the Northern Ireland government is not that it was directly responsible for widespread discrimination, but that it allowed discrimination on such a scale over a substantial segment of Northern Ireland. " Whyte is not an adequate source for what you claim it to be.Traditional unionist (talk) 22:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice

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Re: Welsh badge

Fantastic work! I never knew you were a graphicist, and a talented one at that! It's a great piece of work! Are you happy with it? Any more additions you need to do? :) --Jza84 | Talk 20:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

It's great! I've already swapped out the low res jpg for your SVG!... I must try and get the hang of SVGs myself sometime - it's a format I've never worked in before. Do you use Adobe Illustrator with them? --Jza84 | Talk 21:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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Good edit

Your last edit on the Scotland article? I couldn't agree more. Jack forbes (talk) 22:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Greater glasgow logo.gif

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Scotland the Brave

Hi Barry, I notice you removed my entry for Scotland the Brave from the Scotland entry as a National Anthem. Someone linking to the page for the National Anthem of Scotland might end up a little confused: on the Scotland page there is only one 'de facto' entry, yet on the National Anthem page there are several. I'm not suggesting there are only those two- I'm just trying to make it more equivocal, and a bit more reflective of its source page.--Stevouk (talk) 19:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

UKCOUNTRYREFS

Hi. Can you discuss this in talk rather than straight delete it? (i'm out in a sec, but it will guaranteed get discussion). It's been linked to a number of times over the post month. There is another possible place (nearer MOS) on Wikipedia for the tables and the link if it needs to be moved - so there needn't be a gap where it a dead link. The admins watching the page have been ok with it so far, although Waggers asked me to remove the 'WP:' part. The idea is that is can quickly stop the trolls, without having to re-expain things to them. --Matt Lewis (talk) 20:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

See my response on the talk page, the whole section should be moved out of article namespace.--Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 21:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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Jim Murphy appointed as new Secretary of State for Scotland

One draws attention to the following extract from the Number 10 website 'The Queen has also been pleased to approve that Jim Murphy MP and Lord Drayson be sworn of Her Majesty’s most honourable Privy Council'. I think this is proof enough that Jim Murphy IS The Rt Hon. Jim Murphy MP.--PoliceChief (talk) 21:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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