User talk:Atsme/Archive 25

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Gar fish distribution

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Regarding the Image

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Sorry I missed your message.

I noticed that I received a notification from you over the weekend, but when I went to check the message today it had been "suppressed". It may have had something to do with the discussion I was having with a few editors, who seemed to be under the impression that things like "discretionary sanctions" and "active arbitration remedies" were something that applies to other people. I decided to walk away before things got really nasty. Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 14:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

It's all about knowing what to wear going in Daniel.

^{Atsme📞📧} 04:34, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

You messed up my comment now please fix it

In hatting my comment you screwed it up so now the signature won't display correctly. Please fix this and don't go around hatting my comments Factchecker_atyourservice 16:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

FCAYS, FWIW, I have noticed that friends are much nicer to have than enemies on Wikipedia. This is especially true if you are not in compliance with what looks to be a quite homogenous environment of thought and groupthink with very little diversity. Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 16:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Since our friendship revolves around editing WP I'm sure she can appreciate that I don't want to do a bunch of work tracking down relevant sources and typing up quotes only to have them instantly thrown in a box by another editor. Factchecker_atyourservice 16:59, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't see how this edit screwed up your sig, Factchecker_atyourservice. For the record, I hatted 2 discussions (including my own comments) because when JFG setup the survey, he purposely added a section for Discussion on North Korea status - per this diff. I have no problem with you moving the discussions to the appropriate section, but first get approval from the other editors involved. It just makes for a bad RfC when discussions distract from the iVotes. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

You can see the formatting issue in this diff. When I attempted to add the comment to the other section, as you were apparently requesting, I could not get a copy/paste to render properly, and then re-signing it repeatedly with 4 tildes also failed to produce the expected formatting, suggesting an unclosed tag or other issue somewhere.

I didn't have any interest in spending a lot of time trying to find the formatting issue so I just reverted. Factchecker_atyourservice 17:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Simple fix for the formatting issue - there was a space before your sig which ended up on a new line - I removed the space, and all is well. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Good, cause it was the end of the world.......almost--MONGO 17:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Atsme, my plan was to just log in and post these one or two comments and then log off but then I found myself scratching my head over the formatting issue when I really wanted to log off and... well it was all downhill from there. Factchecker_atyourservice 19:18, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

No problem...and welcome to Hotel California!

^{Atsme📞📧} 19:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Lol. If you ever see me editing for 36 hours straight, you can safely assume I found a steely knife... Factchecker_atyourservice 19:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Just don't kill the beast. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:28, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

It has been well-established by a Los Angeles-based team of cultural anthropologists that it is impossible to do this (but fun to try). Factchecker_atyourservice 19:10, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid this may take me too far out on a limb but...what beast? Is this kinda like a Louie Louie interpretation of lyrics?

^{Atsme📞📧} 21:38, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Lyrics to Hotel California include: "They stab it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the beast." --Tryptofish (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The last cut on that album is more prescient: The Last Resort (Eagles song) O3000 (talk) 23:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

My question still is "what beast"? I have 60s thoughts. 😂 ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Excess. First and last song on the album. You are trapped by a need for more. O3000 (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I wonder: is "steely knives" a reference to Steely Dan? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Tryp, I can ask a friend/colleague (who has scored music for me in the past and toured/wrote music for Henley)...if it's something you really, really want to know...really, really. ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:43, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, that's entirely up to you. I'm just asking informally, so please don't feel any need to go out of your way for it. (Maybe Shatner can find the answer via something telepathic?) But something I really, really don't understand is what you mean by your "beast" question. Obviously, my answer took you too literally. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:49, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

😂 - the lyrics:

Mirrors on the ceiling,
The pink champagne on ice
And she said, 'we are all just prisoners here, of our own device'
And in the master's chambers,
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can't kill the beast

I don't think it has anything to do with Don's "conservation wave" (wave as in tidal wave) - some celebs have to find causes because it's free publicity. I'm thinking "master's chambers" and "mirrors on the ceiling" are dead giveaways. Have you forgotten all you've learned from the 60s vs the short time you've been in that "home", my wiki friend? 😂 ❤️ ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:26, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I thought the mirrors were on the ceiling in the room where "she" is, but the master's chambers were other rooms in the Hotel, where the feast was. And the beast was whatever was on the table for the feast. I've forgotten a lot, but I can't remember what it was that I forgot. I still don't know what you were asking about the beast – ? Were you suggesting a phallic interpretation of the knives? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:55, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

😂 I'm not going to say what I was thinking...look at the top of this page in edit view and let your imagination run wild...as long as it doesn't affect your health. Make sure there's a defib nearby.

^{Atsme📞📧} 22:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I'd rather look at the ceiling. I'm beginning to think that you are smoking something from the 60s. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't smoke...and when I suggested looking at the top of this page, I wasn't referring to the ceiling...but if it makes you happy, try it...you'll like it. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:34, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Must be second-hand smoke. You've actually got a SMirC-stoned – my, you've been busy! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Excuse me, ~~Mr. Fish~~ Professor Tryp...it is Friday at the hour most choose to be happy...and that's exactly what I'm being...^{after eye surgery 1-1/2 wks ago}...and I prefer to look at the brighter side of life ^{although these dilation drops make things too f-ing bright}. There comes a time when people actually prefer to see happy things ^{(despite their handicaps, even when they're sober)} with newfound balls I never knew I had, but none of it bothers me. Tomorrow is another day. ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969. I didn't know about the eye surgery – my best wishes on that. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Atsme, you are a viper, and because I don't want to die of snakebite, even though I am also a viper and in theory might have some kind of viper-related immunity, I have implemented sources-talk in my latest comment. That said, I never appreciate people using pejoratives en gross when they could just be real specific with @pings so that comment you linked is upsetting. Factchecker_atyourservice 23:46, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I guess that means something...unfortunately I don't know what you're referring to exactly...so I'm thinking it's because I support the POV that adheres to NPOV, and that doesn't fully support your POV. Sad...but I wish you well, nonetheless. ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:07, 19 May 2018 (UTC) ^{Fixed an incorrect diff - see edit history. 03:34, 19 May 2018 (UTC)}

Probably my fault for lack of clarity but I was just trying to make a joke. The comment you diff'd, by an admin, seemed to be saying that the people asking for MrX to delete his evidence pile were partisan vipers, presumably including both you and me. I thought this was silly so I was saying we're both snakes so maybe I have snake immunity, etc. Just stupid humor.

And, I implemented "sources-talk" in my comment because I thought it would annoy you less than "reflist-talk".

Apologies.

and Hissssssssssssssss Factchecker_atyourservice 13:29, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Ohhhh...🐍my apologies to you for misinterpreting but it actually proved useful because the diff I used originally was the wrong diff. The worst part about texting is that it lacks the human gestures we depend on for proper context, interpretation and perception. I should have tried to imagine you coiled up and hissing behind a mischievous smile. 😝 ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:52, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

PS...Factchecker_atyourservice if there’s a chance the humor in a comment might be misconstrued, we use ^[FBDB], a rather ingenious template created by another Harv 👨‍🎓 whose clever wit sometimes flies past at high altitudes. ^{Atsme📞📧} 14:11, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

One of many

Didn't One of many say this was a stupid edit and I should be embarrassed for suggesting it? Yet you say you're agreeing with me. Factchecker_atyourservice 14:53, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

I sure hope not - I may have conflated edits so I’ll get on my big puter instead of this iPad and review the discussion again. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:18, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Ha!! I guess reading with one eye instead of two = half-brain function instead of full. I explained why I thought he was right, which happens to be for a different reason than he may have originally intended. ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:34, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

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RfA

I've read some of your comments on User:Pbsouthwood's RfA, and it's made me think. WP:UAA often has a nasty backlog, and sometimes WP:AIV's isn't much better. I'm kind of an administrator on Conservapedia (User:DMorris), with the ability to block, protect pages, run WP:CheckUser, and undelete deleted edits. I am very opinionated, but I believe I could handle administrative tasks fairly and with a level head; I think the fact that I was able to bring my high school's article to GA while I was a student there, despite having a WP:COI (to give you an idea as to how much of a COI I had, I always made it a point to wear the school colors around town when I was that age, and I made it a point to specifically wear something that said PCHS on it if I left town). If I'm inclined to perform an administrative task on Conservapedia that I think other administrators might disagree with, I always consult with the other administrators via email, and I would do the same on Wikipedia (though I would probably do it on-wiki at Wikipedia; Wikipedia is an entirely different culture). I was involved in WP:Recent changes patrol and vandal-fighting for years, so I know the policies pertaining to WP:AIV and WP:UAA pretty well. I gave up the tools related to RC patrol because I don't agree with what the other administrators are doing with IP blocks and I have decided I don't want to assist them in that, however, I could participate at WP:AIV without being part of other administrators' IP blocking campaigns (and to be clear, I would not get into wheel wars, anymore than I get into wheel wars at Conservapedia when I disagree with an administrative action). Having the tools on another site, I know it doesn't really give a person a lot more power or influence; I would be interested in contributing to our wiki in ways I can't do as an ordinary user, but I wouldn't be upset if I didn't make it. I'm not dying to be an administrator here; I've thought about it numerous times over the years, I ran for it once before, and sometimes I've honestly thought to myself there's no way I would want it, but if you think I'd have a shot at RfA, I'd be willing to give it a go. However, I would want to wait a little while to work on some of the content building projects I have planned before running for RfA, because while I plan on working on those regardless, the finished work would probably look good in an RfA discussion. PCHS-NJROTC ^{(Messages)Have a blessed day.} 23:57, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

With the utmost respect, I doubt that your association with Conservapedia (I'm not too familiar with that publication) would be considered a "positive" based on what the name implies because it automatically establishes a preconceived notion of bias, even though you may be the most unbiased editor on the planet. I've not collaborated with you to the extent that I would feel comfortable expressing an opinion either way. It takes years to establish a persona on WP, and even then, there's a likely chance one's motives could be misinterpreted. I have long since learned that one's chances of passing the scrutiny of the community is much better when a respected admin (or 2) presents the nomination, and even then, there is no guarantee. I will occasionally express approval of specific comments that I feel are based in common sense & correct comprehension of RS, but I don't read anything more into a comment than what it represents at that moment. I don't want to discourage you in any way from exploring your full potential - I am somewhat of a defender of editor retention on WP, especially when I see injustices, the latter of which is uncommon but it does happen. I am also one who encourages new editors to explore their full potential...and will help guide them however I can by whatever means available to us. I am intensely focused on helping to build a quality encyclopedia. With the latter in mind, I encourage you to learn as much as you can about the WP community, spend as much time as possible learning our PAGs, and remember...WP has no deadlines. Thank you for sharing your views, and please feel free to comment on my TP whenever you feel inspired to do so. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I've been around Wikipedia for over ten years actually (despite the name, I am not a high school student; I created the account when I was in high school), so I am familiar with some of the things you have pointed out (no deadlines, for example). I like that you are interested in editor retention and encouraging new editors, because I feel a lot of people these days are quick to assume bad faith. Part of the reason I don't change my name is because I'm hoping to set an example that almost anyone can become a Wikipedian and make a difference for the project. I look back at my earliest contributions and I see I was kind of cheesy in my early years at the encyclopedia, but apparently people liked my contributions enough for me to still be here, and there's no reason why young editors or even inexperienced older editors can't do the same in 2018. PCHS-NJROTC ^{(Messages)Have a blessed day.} 01:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh my!! You're sure 'nuff a veteran editor! I'm not quite sure why I thought you were a new editor - my bad, so please accept my apologies. I normally would have checked your user page, but because of recent eye surgery, I'm limiting use of my good eye. 😊 ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:37, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

It's okay, that just further proves my point that the fact that I'm 26, almost have enough credits for an associates degree, and have been here for over ten years really doesn't make me better than 14 year olds or 84 year olds who are new to the project. I just have more experience with it and its policies. PCHS-NJROTC ^{(Messages)Have a blessed day.} 03:19, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in study

Hello,

I am E. Whittaker, an intern working with the Scoring Team to create a labeled dataset, and potentially a tool, to help editors deal with incivility when they encounter it on talk pages. We are currently recruiting editors to be interviewed about their experiences with incivility on talk pages. Would you be interested in being interviewed? The interviews should take ~1 hour, and will be conducted over BlueJeans (which does allow interviews to be recorded). If, so, please reply to this message or email me at ewhit@umich.edu in order to schedule an interview. .

Thank you Ewitch51 (talk) 18:23, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Ewitch51, your timing couldn't have been more perfect - count me in. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh gzz ha, no kidding on the timing. PackMecEng (talk) 12:55, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic, thank you! I'm looking forward to speaking with you. I'm using Google Calendar to schedule the interviews, so you can select an appointment slot at a time that works for you from this link: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/selfsched?sstoken=UU1RWWM4Nmp2Ym5ffGRlZmF1bHR8ZGFjZjQyZTMyMjc2NTE1YjcxN2U5MmFlMDU3MDlkNzY.

Also, before your interview, it would be very helpful if you could please select one clearly uncivil talk page, and one clearly civil talk page (by your definition) to review during the interview.

Thank you!Ewitch51 (talk) 18:30, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Atsme: Thank you for your time! Ewitch51 (talk) 17:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Ewitch51, A talk page is a neutral item. Civility and incivility are properties of the conversations on the page. The same page may contain both civil and uncivil exchanges simultanoeusly, even in the same thread, and occasionally even between the same correspondents. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 06:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Dick Pounds - Moe Lester: NPOV or Coatrack

Please restrict your comments in this section to the hypothetical 2 paragraphs near the top of the page to this section...and have fun. ^{Atsme📞📧} 05:09, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Now is Mr. Pounds a Democrat or Republican? That will make a significant impact on if they are actually a lunatic charlatan or if they speak the Truth™ and how well it conforms to NPOV. PackMecEng (talk) 15:36, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Ha! No, no, no...charlatans come in all flavors. The question applies more to real science, not political science. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:41, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeah just a little fun there

. But it is pretty clear by the almost exaggerated writing is that 1 conforms with the ideas of NPOV. The upsetting part is 2 is not far off from what I have seen in places. PackMecEng (talk) 15:44, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Neither, I'm afraid. 2, is, of course, a coatrack. But, if (as I suspect is intended) consensus in the scientific community is that chemtrails do not cause aluminum strips to fall to earth, then 1 isn't NPOV either. "recieved mixed reviews" (misspelled, by the way - "I before E except after C ...") does not cover it. The scientific consensus needs to be mentioned prominently and early, such as in the second sentence as 2 does. --GRuban (talk) 16:26, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

GRuban....BZZZZZT for reading something into the example that isn't there, re: the validity of the claim 😆. One argument against such reasoning is typically that we cite what RS say (the examples are humorously hypothetically correct, including RS). I fixed the first transposition, the 2nd instance was spelled correctly...apologies...I'm working a bit handicapped right now - laughter is the best medicine. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I think that it's obvious that #2 is flawed beyond repair. Almost an attack page. Things that would need fixing in #1 are: "received mixed reviews but had wide appeal" needs to be attributed to a source, as would "debunking Pounds' theory". These are judgments/opinions that need to be made clearer. Were all the reviews "mixed", or were some very positive and some very negative? How "wide" is "wide appeal"? Was it a debunking in the opinion of the codpiece engineers, or was their position adopted by a wider preponderance of sources? And can I get a job as a codpiece engineer? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

As most would’ve guessed, Tryp, you made 100 on your exam! As for the codpiece question, I’m not touching that with a 10 foot fishing pole. 😂 ^{Atsme📞📧} 01:09, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Yippee! When you go fishing, you never know what you will catch! --Tryptofish (talk) 16:37, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

And Commons:Category:Codpieces is hilarious! --Tryptofish (talk) 16:40, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

AE notification

You are involved in a dispute which is being discussed at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. GoldenRing (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Yep - I heard the train whistle, GoldenRing - I just never imagined you'd be the conductor. WP never ceases to disappoint. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

WP never ceases to disappoint. You said it, sister. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

terence

hi love your page. always something exciting on it! Thanks for your help, really appreciate itKareenza (talk) 17:42, 22 May 2018 (UTC)kareenza

Enjoy!! ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:33, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lead Improvement Team

Hello. I see that you are a member of the Lead Improvement Team. I left a note on the talkpage but no one ever responded or fixed the issue. Would you be interested please? Please reply here and ping me when you do. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 12:32, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Checking it now...I'll see what I can do, Zigzig20s. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:56, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Wait, was it 1993 or 1997?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Zigzig20s - 1993 is when the employees starting filing lawsuits per USA Today. That's what drew the attention of the feds. The investigation grew, and in 1997 Scott resigned as chairman. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:03, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I see. Could you please make this explicit in "Fraud investigations"?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:05, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

😊 I focus on leads, Zigzig20s...but ok, I'll fix it in the fraud section, too. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:11, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

No indictment

What are they going to do when the investigators come back and say they are not recommending indictments? Maybe they can talk about his hair or tan again?--MONGO 16:02, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm concerned that the way much of the info has been/is being presented is a wrong fit for the pedia and a much better fit for a news outlet, like WikiTribune. I've heard the horror stories about the Obama related articles back when, and what editors went through during his term, so there appears to be a pattern of strong partisan biases at work. The frenzy will eventually fade, and project editors/gnomes/reviewers will hopefully fix the bulk of what's wrong with those articles. A good start would be to strip them down to bare minimum, delete all the editorializing and conspiracy theories, and reduce them in size to "facts only". ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Or National Enquirer. It fascinates me when the childish argument that FoxNews is not reliable when CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, NBC, ABC and CBS and in particular 60 Minutes have all had to retract stories, issue corrections, have been sued and have a general mediocre to bad track record for neutrality, yet they espouse those sources are superior to Fox in everyway. And anyone bringing BBC or The Guardian in here as bastions of neutrality must be nuts. I saw the same nonsense on the George Bush article back when he was President...wackos kept trying to add that Bush was a drunk, that he had a low IQ, that he was mentally unstable...etc. At one point I had the most edits to that article and the talkpage arguing with loons...and now that they have moved on, I see what folly it was.--MONGO 18:47, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I kinda liked the hand coverage best (no pun intended). 😂 ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:57, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

If the socialists are screeching, crticial, whining, pouting or upset then that's a good thing. It means their plan to f up the world is failing...as it has in virtually every urban toilet they oversee.--MONGO 19:49, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey...I'm social - I drink socially, love parties and social gatherings, although I reject commune living, but thoroughly enjoy hosting social gatherings at the ranch! And that's all anybody needs to know about my social activities. 😆 ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Howdy

Just stopping by to say howdy since I logged into the 'pedia for the first time in forever. Cheers! Minor4th 19:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey!!! So glad to know you're back, Minor4th! If you've got any spare time, take a look at Terence Hogan. It's very interesting, indeed. I've been searching for RS to support his involvement in the Great Train Robbery (1963). ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Will do. Minor4th 11:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm...question for my tps

Since I'm working a bit handicapped (one-eyed which I am not accustomed to) and it's difficult to follow lines of text when they won't stay put (or at least that's how it seems)...please point me to the paragraph in this article wherein it says Conservatives and progressives alike have said that the scope of Trump's scandals may be bigger than the Watergate scandal. Thanks...^{Atsme📞📧} 23:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, misread your question at first. Not there, oh wise one. (If it worked for Odin...) The article says "Conservatives say alleged FBI 'spying' on Trump is bigger than Watergate" (right in the title) but that's not really "the scope of Trump's scandals" as such. And as for progressives, it even says (paragraph 2) "Liberals, on the other hand, said there is no evidence to support the Spygate theory" so they don't agree in any case. So, shock and surprise in 2 points - 1: conservatives and progressives disagree! 2: someone used hyperbole talking about politics! --GRuban (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Interrrrresting...oh, Carnac, the magnificent one. Well...I'd like to get at least 2 more pair of eyes on it before I do anything, lest I be accused of partisanship for removing an inaccurate statement from the lead. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh geez. Speaking of hyperbole. Our great president says that what he has for breakfast every morning could be the biggest thing in history, that doesn't mean we change the lead to our article about him every morning. I do not envy you your self appointed task. Surely you're not the only Donald Trump article watcher? --GRuban (talk) 00:43, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going near that article with a 10 ft. pole - it can stay just like it is. I just want to make sure there's nothing going wrong with my good eye. *lol* ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Having similar issues with that user on my talk page... Good times. PackMecEng (talk) 00:48, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Sigh. Couldn't resist, removed the text, discussing on talk page. My pole must be longer... Will likely regret in the morning. --GRuban (talk) 01:01, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

You may want to do a little shopping before the flame throwers hit...do they still use that term, or have we graduated to calling it casting aspersions and pile-ons? ^{Atsme📞📧} 01:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Turned out fine, Andrevan was quite reasonable, no reason to worry. Though I now notice that one paragraph up on the article talk page he was worried about Russian agents hijacking the article. I am so glad he didn't check the Babel box on my user page! --GRuban (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

GRuban, the irony of it all was published in USA Today back in 2016. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:12, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

re terence hogan

Wow Atsme how did you find that file number, it has shocked the whole family!!! Where were you back then, we could have solved every major crime in Britain!!. I told you that you were brilliant. I have something to tell you re dads best friend George 'Taters' Chatham, Britain's biggest safe blower. When I was a kid my dad used to take me to Taters caravan parked in a secluded area of Box hill Surrey. I always thought it was strange that the caravan had wallpaper. One day he pealed a bit back and behind it was thousands and thousand of pounds. A new neighbour moved near me recently, she was a policewoman back in the day. She still has Police Gazette magazines and I was flicking through them and there was Taters caravan. exactly as it was, in some sort of Police holding memorabilia area. To this day I still do not know if the wallpaper was stripped back!. We have a mystery in the family and I know it would be probably impossible for you to know but everyone says ask Detective Atsme her thoughts. My father's father (if he was the father) was called William Hogan. I believe my dad paid him off the night of his engagement to my mum. If I was to try and trace him, he would be deceased now but how possible is that without an address or date of birth I could find when he died?. My Grandmother Rose never talked about him.. ever. Anyway we wait for more updates and its fantastic to have something fresh, and we have baked a cake for Rehman although it will be old by the time it reaches him, but I will attempt to bake you a cake too, although you may need urgent medical treatment after tasting my cooking ;) fond wishes and Many Thanks kareenza Kareenza (talk) 20:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Karenenza...how funny - detective, ha!! Not quite but I will say...the investigative work reminded me a little of trying to track down my nightmarish first hubby, Mr. Lothario.

But seriously, finding those sources was just a matter of spending time on Google and reading the material I found, then following the links (clues). What I need is a PDF of page 3, Daily Express (London), Wed. 28 Nov 1962. I put a request in at the resource exchange, but if you can get a copy of that page at a local library, it would help bunches. Daily Express has an archive online - I managed to see a thumbnail of the page (with my one good eye *lol*) but it was so tiny, I couldn't read it. I tried to sign-up as a guest, but that went all wrong, too. Maybe someone local could get me that copy?

Karenenza, regarding your curiousity about genetics, check ancestry.com - start by searching your father’s birth certificate in the vital records, census reports, etc. and try building a family tree. Once you have his father’s name, you can probably track everything down from there. I was surprised to see how much information they had available. For example, my mother’s parents were immigrants from Italy, and found the roster with their names included on the ship they came over on, when they arrived at Ellis Island, etc. I also did the DNA sampling to learn more about my heritage...pretty interesting stuff. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

AE

Hi. Apologies if I seem to be trashing your efforts on Wikipedia, that's definitely not my intention. I recognize that my comments on AE are based on a narrow set of posts by you - which is why I explicitly said "I'll leave it to others". Supporting editors you believe are being wronged is not necessarily a bad thing but, like all passionate endeavors, it can come with a cost. If you're doing good work, enough people will recognize it and will turn out to support you (as, for example, MelanieN has done) and you shouldn't take it personally. (Trust me on this, I've been in your position in the past and have learned that a thick skin is an important adjunct for stress free working on Wikipedia!) --regentspark (comment) 16:26, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, RegentsPark. I've spent truck loads of 💵 on skin softeners and wrinkle cream only to discover that thick skin is desired on WP. You just saved me a fortune! 😂 Take care, and happy editing! ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018

Hey there was this post meant for the section below or as a reply to my post? PackMecEng (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Pack - I included it as one of the reasons I removed the material, and offered an alternative suggestion with regards to selective polls vs summaries. Is there a better way I should have presented it? ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:25, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The reason I was curious if it went to the section below was that was about the least popular line and the removed material was about most polarizing. It really could fit for either I was just wondering, nothing wrong in my eyes what you posted. Perhaps its time for me to get more coffee! PackMecEng (talk) 15:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

, me too!! ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I've edited one of your comments to amend a diff link

Hi Atsme, as you may surmise from the header, I've edited your comment at AN/I to change one of your diffs. The diff you'd linked to did not contain the quote you were referring to. It was easy enough to find on the talk page, so I just went ahead and changed it. Just thought it'd be curteous to let you know. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Ohhhh, thank you very much, Mr rnddude - I'm terrible at the diff thing. It's my least favorite thing to do. ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

For my fishy and horsey wiki-collaborators, and everyone else....

My favorite "science show" - this one is about seahorses.... ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:24, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

See, you're horsing around! Also good for anyone who goes camping with hippos. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:33, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Or camping with hungry hippos? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC) "Duuuhhh.... my brain hurts!!"

I knew what you meant. 😂 ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:03, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@EEng: I propose the image Atsme put here, for Phineas Gage. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Yuck! E Eng 22:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I did the writing mostly myself instead

There's quite some at Brocéliande and Paimpont forest already, I don't know maybe I'll leave it in this state. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Amazing, SNAAAAKE!!...and so are the images in Brocéliande. I sincerely appreciate your talent for writing those period pieces. You have such command of the prose. Impressive, indeed. ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

You think the paintings from http://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/Tr%C3%A9horenteuc#%C3%89glise_Sainte-Onenne_ou_chapelle_du_Graal could be uploaded? They were made in a church over 70 years ago by 2 Germans POWs for a priest who was later severely disciplined (or repressed) for this: http://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/Henri_Gillard I guess they can't, because otherwise they probably would be at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Église_Sainte-Onenne_de_Tréhorenteuc already. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I’m not sure - where are the paintings? Scans of paintings are uploaded all the time, so it depends. Pinging GRuban to see if he knows. ^{Atsme📞📧} 12:22, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

It would be rather photos. I'm actually interested in this detail: [2] for Val sans retour when I get to write about it for real. I tried to find out did that German POW perhaps die 70 yrs ago (automatically free) or perhaps does he live still, but I couldn't find literally anything about him. The French version is [3] but I wouldn't write about the real-life location, it's now briefly described in the forest article and it's enough for me. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 18:24, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Copyright law of France#Duration of proprietary rights - yes, I'd think it was 70 years after death of the author. If the author wasn't known, then it would be 70 years after the art was made, but here we seem to have the author's name. He seems to have published a book in 1951, so was probably alive then. http://www.worldcat.org/title/32-blatt-und-lauter-ratsel-ein-zauberbuchlein/oclc/73433422 --GRuban (talk) 02:29, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

This book uses his art for a cover. So, could it be done? I mean, I could ask these people http://centre-arthurien-broceliande.com (they probably have tons of photos of the whole area they could share in any case). SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 05:37, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Also if you know someone who might do it, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Story_of_King_Arthur_and_His_Knights is used A LOT for illustrations on Wikipedia but it's only 1 book in the series of 4 (and it's not even all picstures from this one). SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 08:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

SNAAAAKE!! have you seen this public domain site? ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I didn't, but meanwhile I uploaded (and put to use) some more of Pyle's illustrations. [4] SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 13:19, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Is [5] free? I don't have an account but it would finely replace the one at [6]. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 13:34, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

No, Shutterstock licenses images - no public domain. It’s quite refreshing to see the excellent work you’re doing...putting enkuklios paideia back into the wiki...especially after seeing how some of our political articles have been presented. 😊 ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:41, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Actually there are replacements already http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Round_Table_of_Winchester SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Also just found http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Arthur_Rackham%27s_Illustrations_of_The_Romance_of_King_Arthur_(1917) and its just unnamed and uncategorized images. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 14:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I seem to be missing a third of the conversation. I can find and upload files from a couple of Howard Pyle Arthurian books that seem to predate 1923, would that be useful? What specifically are you looking for images of? --GRuban (talk) 15:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

It started out with the question, "paintings from http://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/Tr%C3%A9horenteuc#%C3%89glise_Sainte-Onenne_ou_chapelle_du_Graal could be uploaded?". From my perspective, it appears to cover Arthurian legend and all related topics. Looking at Morgan le Fay, the images are indeed an asset to the article. I would think anything that isn't already uploaded to Commons (per the above) would be welcome, and we thank you in advance for your generosity and collaboration in helping to make these images available. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

There are whole categories of scans like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Myths_and_legends;_the_Celtic_race_(1910) or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Boy%27s_King_Arthur_(1922) that I'm categorizing only now. Wow. And yeah, I think some at [7] (check "full list") are missing in Commons (not sure because of extremely basic categorization - and I'm only adding characters really, not descriptive categories or anything else). As for the church paintings, I'm interested in this detail: [8]SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 17:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Also, King Arthur, the big guy, himself. I didn't try to actually rewrite it (just changed graphics and various links and removed all the ADs too) because an FA and so I'm not touching it, but there are some big problems as I said at the talk page at I have a particular problem with a chunk of the article sort of focusing on Arthur being cucked, which is fine for something like a satirical or revisionist novel, but here for it being encyclopedic it's just very misleading. This motif was rather simply of an infidelity between his wife and best friend, which was supposed to be romantic (usually, even if it's a sin) and not humiliating, and his reaction upon discovering it was to literally try to burn her alive, and all this led to a huge war and his death (in the by far best known tradition), which is all apparently not just not explained there and not even mentioned in the article anywhere at at all. Maybe you might get someone to have it resolved? When I was rewriting Lancelot & Guinevere I mentioned the war only very briefly because I thought it would be more of it there, but now I think of getting into it in more detail for Lancelot at least. Also maybe something like a list of conflicts of Arthur(s) as an article (if not perhaps a book if I get to write any). SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 22:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

As soon as both eyes are in back in working order, I'll be able to focus on some serious editing/reviewing. One of the things I appreciate most about WP is their no deadline philosophy. 🕰 Suggestion...since you've already been through several GA and FA reviews and know what that's all about, do you see any candidates among some of the articles you've been working on? What about spin-offs? Granted, it is tedious work having to check/fix citations for consistency...but you can do it little by little, making sure to take a break every so often so you don't get burned-out. 😊 ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:59, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Uh, Morgan le Fay? But I keep working on it with no end, I don't know. Better yet if perhaps someone just checked it for grammar and also told me if there's something there that is like unclear or contradictory or something. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 01:17, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

✅ Perfect...^{Atsme📞📧} 02:19, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

What are the prospects to use http://d.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/publication/flint-morte-darthur-1927 for illustrations? SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

5th image - at the fire, 9th image - Launcelot rescue, 11th image - put to school in a nunnery; ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:28, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I meant, apparently Commons is out of question, but can I freely uploaded it here merely for the purpose of illustrations? SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

There are some public domain images I can upload to Commons - just need to know which ones you need so I can double check to make sure they are cleared as public domain. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC) Adding - is there nothing you can use from the following: Category: Morgan le Fay? ^{19:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)}

Absolutely never mind, I found a huge depository of pre-1923 images: http://d.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/artists and this is more than enough. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I've uploaded a buncha pictures but only with minimal categorization http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/SNAAAAKE!!&ilshowall=1 so they can be added to many more of course. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Good job! It's going to be a difficult job choosing the best images to use. Also keep in mind how the text and images will flow on smartphones and tablets. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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University of Mississippi

Hi. Would you be interested in expand the University of Mississippi's lede please? For example there is nothing about its history.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Good morning, Zigzig20s - certainly, I'll see what I can do. ^{Atsme📞📧} 12:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. You did a great job!Zigzig20s (talk) 23:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

You're very welcome!! Happy editing, Zig! ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Atsme. I would ask that you consider revising your recent changes to University of Mississippi. It is not typical for a University page to have as much history in its lede section. Also, some of the content you have posted is incorrect, c.f., http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_Chancellors_of_the_University_of_Mississippi. Thanks for your consideration. Bob Cummings (talk) 20:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

BobCummings - I started a discussion on the article's TP. Please describe the content you say is incorrect in that section. The material I used comes straight from RS, so if there is updated information or corrections that need to be made, please provide the sources. Thank you. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:14, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Northstar College

Please note that I declined your speedy deletion nomination of Northstar College due to the fact that educational establishments are specifically excluded from A7 criteria. Canterbury Tail talk 15:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Here we go again...

2017 Picture of the Year - Round 1 - voting has begun...2017 POTY...2 3 of my images were selected:

Tthe competition is fierce. Eligible users may vote for as many candidates as they wish to support (one vote per image) - editor participation is encouraged. The photographs this year in each category are amazing! Enjoy. ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:12, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Atsme, what did you do to that nice fish to have her glaring at you like that?? The photo is quite an accomplishment, but I hope you made amends afterwards. SPECIFICO talk 16:47, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

😂 Thank you, SPECIFICO. I reassured that fish we were having Chicken Tonight. ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, wow!! Was busy voting for POTY - Nature Views, and came across one I had forgotten.... this one! *LOL*

I'm finishing up my POTY votes, and got sidetracked into checking out all your work. Gorgeous galleries, really excellent stuff. Best of luck! ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:11, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Amory - POTY has so many incredible pictures - some are works of art. I can spend hours just looking at them. I’m honored to have a few of my pictures in such remarkable company! ^{Atsme📞📧} 01:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Uh-oh, looks like someone's got a POTY mouth! ^[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 16:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

That made me spew my coffee this morning!!

^{Atsme📞📧} 21:12, 16 June 2018 (UTC)