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help regarding need for citations

Hi, I don't know if you have time, but I could use your help. There is an argument over at Talk:Programming language about the use of fact tags. My opponents say I used them too often and that they are a "random disruption". I am trying to explain to them that we need a citation on every fact, as you told me, to reach FA status. Is there any way you could look in and help me convince them that we need citations even on statements they consider obvious? Thanks. Ideogram 23:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on Talk:Programming language, but I don't think you made sufficiently clear what level of citation is required for a Featured Article. Ideogram 06:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Not to sound rude....

But may I ask why are you still opposing the Velociraptor article in its FAC?? I & other editors have fixed all of your concerns, such as deleting the Jurrassic Park picture, deleting the Time cover & everything else you mentioned. May you please explain? Thanks, Spawn Man 23:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Cornell FAC

Please see the substantial changes at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cornell University/archive1 addressing your objections. —mercuryboard^talk 00:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

can it wait until Monday night?

Stressful work deadline Monday 17:00, AEST. Tony 15:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks

Hi Ambuj - many thanks! the day was especially important for personal reasons. Technically, I have existed for 20 years and 9 months. And individual molecules have existed in different forms for ???? Knowledge too has no age - I learn a lot from younger bloks, while I can impart some knowledge to those elder to me. Rama's Arrow 16:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

IITs

I started giving the article a general copyedit, but I'm running short of time, so I won't be able to finish today. I got all the way to the "Education" section, but I'm slightly concerned about weasel words in the "Reservations" section of the article. Try to put a name (or at least a party) to all the relevant criticism, just to be sure. I also sprinkled a few {{citation needed}} templates that need fixing. Titoxd^(?!?) 00:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Userpage edits

I figured you didn't work for AOL's call department(most mechanical engineers don't), so I doubted the IP that edited your userpage to replace it with that information was you. They've done it twice now. Be sure to watch your userpage for vandalism in case it is not caught and reverted like this time. Kevin_b_er 07:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

That was a lot of vandalism. I will keep a lookout. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I have semi-protected your userpage...let me know when you want the protection lifted.--MONGO 07:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

(While I'm sure you'll stay *cool*) just wanted to say not to sweat the vandalism. You should see the stuff they come up with on my page. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 05:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Good rules to live by! And congrats on the barnstars, I guess :) -- Samir धर्म 06:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

PR

Hello, Ambuj. Please see reply to your comments on Wikipedia:Peer review/Fundamental Rights in India/archive2.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91^{(review me!)} 17:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any reply to my comments! — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Now?--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91^{(esperanza elections!)} 07:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

IIT

OK, deadline over, freer now. I hadn't intended that it be moved to FARC. GIve me a day. Tony 13:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Hi - yes thanks for fixing the inconsistency. You owe me a reply on 2 questions, holmes. Btw, where's your brother hiding? Rama's Arrow 20:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, your awards page is missing a "Spoken Barnstar" I awarded to you a couple of months back. Rama's Arrow 20:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

OMEN

I had changed his name. If he had recreated OMEN again and asked an admin to permanently block the account as per the rules, it is ok. If not recreated, the username is now available, so if anyone creates it, they might remove the redirects. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Hindi wiki

Thanks, Ambuj. One important task right now is to have a more friendly and personalized welcome message. Can you look at my version of the welcome message (hi:Template:स्वागत), and the detailed templated made by User:Magicalsaumy, to come up with a friendly and personalized message, that still covers (or provides links to) all the important information needed by a newcomer? That would be a significant contribution. It would be great if you can also look at hi: विकिपीडिया:स्वागत, and complete it. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

PR and FAC

Please see reply to your comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Fundamental Rights in India/archive2. Also, please give you valued comments on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91^{(esperanza elections!)} 19:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see changes per your comments on PR, and reply on the PR page. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91^{(esperanza elections!)} 06:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for your vote in my RFA, which succeeded with a final tally of 66-0-4. If there's anything I can help you with now that I'm an admin, please let me know on my talk page. Again, thanks! Mangojuicetalk 20:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Nc images

I wasn't aware that nc images weren't allowed on wiki. I had written "Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0" in the summary of the article, and selected the attribution licence (I thought they were the same). OMG, this means I must've uploaded other images too in this manner! (Am off to check right now! ) Thanks for notifying me about this. Tagging them all for speedy deletion. Thanks again! -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}05:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

A similar image that I uploaded was marked {{Noncommercial}}. I've changed the licence of all these to non commercial rather than prod-ing it, and have removed it from existing pages. -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}05:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, if what I've looked up is correct, this non commercial rule came into effect only on May 19th. Most of the images I've uploaded (including the Vallam kali pic) are prior to that period. Only nc images uploaded after May 19th are speedy deleted. -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}06:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

To clarify- The catch is new images will be speedily deleted and older will go through IFD to determine if they fall under "Fair-use". — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

"India" and "Indian"

Hi - I've had some detailed talks with user:Spasage on the sensitive issue of national identity between India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. We've come up with some ideas on how to resolve the problem, through a disambiguation page for both "India" and "Indian." Obviously its a big move, so please weigh in here[1]. This Fire Burns.....Always 08:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Novels WikiProject Newsletter July 2006

Here is the new edition of our monthly newsletter. The July 2006 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 13:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin

नमस्ते, श्री सक्सेना। Thanks for your the clarification. No hard feelings - I realize that I am unable to please everybody. :-) If I don't get become admin, I figure I can run again in three months so that by that time I can be acceptable to at least almost everybody. I do believe I am familiar with Wikipedia. In any case, if you have any suggestions on how I may improve, I am open to hear them. Thanks for the congrats. क्रिस aka Chris S. 20:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I taught myself Devanagari, but I studied Hindi very briefly. It's very very very basic, and not worth mentioning in my Babel. --Chris S. 19:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Northenglish

This is a courtesy note letting you know I reverted your edit to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Northenglish; the RfA has been closed, and should not be edited further. It's a rather common mistake to make, but please be sure to look for the pink background, it signifies a closed nomination. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 06:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"India-Indian"

Hi Ambuj - there is a rising issue on the usage of "India-Indian" for different periods in history apart from the Republic of India, please weigh in again here[2]. We're trying to make absolutely sure that there is a general agreement. This Fire Burns.....Always 06:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ambuj

Hi Ambuj. I noticed that one of your pages still have images of holy cow and dead cow. Are you leaving it there on purpose?

Tahib Sahib. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.68 (talk • contribs) 06:22, July 7, 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Thanks for the message. I should be back in full gear soon. Am relaxing a bit for a day or 2 as it has been a busy week. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Film Archives in Pune

Hi, do you whether or not pictures from the archive are public domain or not? I dug out these pics of Ray (and others), which the site owners claim come from the archive, but cannot ascertain their status, though they think they should be PD:

Sarai

Thanks, --ppm 17:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Did the summary. hope this works--ppm 19:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Seeing that you were talking about DYKs, I was wondering if Yuktibhasa would worthy mention as the first calculus text in the world. Can you inspect if the given references are enough for the claim? -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}11:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The addition was good enough. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I got it to the front page. Yay! My first DYK! -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}10:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey Ambuj

I was just reading through your user page, and I found out that you're an NTSE scholar :o That's so cool. I wish I could too, infact I'm preparing for it right now, and I think I may have chances, after having qualified in the JSTSE (Junior Science Talent Search Examination) Cheers! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91^{(esperanza elections!)} 14:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Is this new (old) sig okay? BTW, the elections are over, and I didn't get elected :-( --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 17:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Some Thanks

Hi there. I would like to thank you very much for your vote in the Esperanza Elections, your trust in me was appreciated and I hope I will be able to live up to your expectations. Thanks again! Regards -- Banes 10:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections

Ambuj.Saxena

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Thank you for your vote in the Esperanza Elections. Your support is much appreciated, and it means that I am now in the Council. I will continue to try my best, and if you have any questions or queries, please don't hesistate to leave me a message. Thanks again, — FireFox 15:44, 10 July '06

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman

Hi Ambuj - please check the FAC of this article. Your input is welcome. This Fire Burns.....Always 18:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Ray peer review

Hope this is not a transgression, but as you have taken interest in the Satyajit Ray article before, I hope you could take part in the peer review process a bit. Thanks :)--ppm 17:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

re:Banner and sig

I've removed the banner. As for my sig, it's one of my fave lines, and it's just the same as if you would wish somebody "good day" or "cheers", and I like it too much to change it. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 17:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC) :)

IPA

I have no idea what IPA is. Sorry. :) - Ganeshk (talk) 19:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful comments

I would like to say thank you for your helpful suggestions that you placed on my talk page- they really did help. Sandeep S K 21:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Pakistan article

If you look in the history, someone made an obscene attack on you which had to be reverted.Blnguyen | rant-line 05:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It was an AOL IP, so it was probably the same vandal who keeps trying to change your user and talk pages. I still have your talk/user page watchlisted as I don't think the vandal is going away any time soon, their IP changes, and they create sockpuppets. Kevin_b_er 05:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ya. I could see the pattern. Don't worry, such people don't have much patience. He will soon move over to greener pastures. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I hadn't noticed the vandalism as my watchlist doesn't show bot edits - except fro Tawkerbot for some reason. I also locked the Pakistan article.Blnguyen | rant-line 06:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I hadn't noticed earlier, for the notoriety graph, I used User:Tangotango's tool to count which were the times when I did my milestone edits - 100 200 300, etc. and then I manually counted the edits made to my talk page. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 04:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC).

My RfA

Hi, I would like to express my gratitude for your participation at my recent RfA. The final vote was 68/21/3 and resulted in me becoming an admin!

For those of you who supported my RfA, I highly appreciate your kind words and your trust in me. For those who opposed - many of you expressed valid concerns regarding my activity here; I will make an effort in addressing them as time goes on while at the same time using my admin tools appropriately. So, salamat, gracias, merci, ありがとう, спасибо, धन्यवाद, 多謝, agyamanak unay, شكرًا, cảm ơn, 감사합니다, mahalo, ขอบคุณครับ, go raibh maith agat, dziękuję, ευχαριστώ, Danke, תודה, mulţumesc, გმადლობთ, etc.! If you need any help, feel free to contact me.

PS: I took the company car (pictured left) out for a spin, and well... it's not quite how I pictured it. --Chris S. 23:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Bot Complaint

I've looked over your complaint about my bot. You certainly have a legitimate point. It should not be fixing commented sections. Still, the bot did achieve something in editing the page in question (check the bottom, it subst'ed a template). I'm not really sure what to do to prevent that problem from coming up, but I will look into it. I would appreciate any suggestions that you might have. Please comment on my talk page to acknowledge receipt. Alphachimp ^talk 14:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The issue was fixed by AWB in their newest release. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Alphachimp ^talk 19:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin Userbox

Hi Ambuj,

I meant no harm in putting the admin's userbox there, i was just messing around; but you were right to remove it. I had no intention is falsely claiming it.

Thanks :)

--Deon555|talk 06:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hating

Theres gotta be one person on Wikipedia out of the whole {{NUMBEROFWIKIPEDIANS}} - i doubt that'll work
Thanks for your comm's but i doubt i'll ever become a sysop. -- ever.
oh and btw i didn't mean any disrespect with the whole 'mean old Abjuj or watevr', i just couldn't remember ur name :$.
Thanks! :)
--Deon555|talk 05:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

My RfA thanks

Hello Ambuj.Saxena/Archive 5, and thank you for your support at my Request for Adminship, which succeeded with an overwhelming final count of (105/2/0). I was very pleased with the outpouring of kind words from the community that has now entrusted me with these tools, from the classroom, the lesson in human psychology and the international resource known as Wikipedia. The Free Encyclopedia. Please feel free to leave me plenty of requests, monitor my actions (through the admin desk on my userpage) and, if you find yourself in the mood, listen to some of what I do in real life. In any case, keep up the great work and have a fabulous day. Grandmasterka 06:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Friends

Haha, of course
After a few tonight I won't remember a thing that happened ;)

Thanks for your comm's anyway on my RfA, im sure after a while ill get there, and i hope you the same ;)

Thanks!

--Deon555|talk 06:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

My WP:HD q

Hi Ambuj,

I only just realised you were the one that answered my question the otha day at the help desk. Thanks for that ;) --Deon555|talk 06:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Classy

Just noticed the diff [3]. Very classy -- Samir धर्म 07:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• Unprotected on request. When can we expect your RfA? -- Samir धर्म 09:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding pictures

Hi, I uploaded these pics: Image:Sankara-big.jpg and Image:Sankaracharya.jpg and gave the {{Art}} license to them as they are paintings. Can you confirm that the license is ok? Thanks. --Babub^{(Talk|Contribs)} 03:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

HSR Layout

Great rewrite. -- Samir धर्म 08:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It is better to save an article (by making it encyclopedic), than to see the hard work go down the drain. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 10:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Ambuj — good call on HSR Layout. I hate it when people randomly add AFD tags to articles by making sweeping assumptions and without doing any research. Thanks for clueing me in on the AFD. AreJay 00:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

India portal

Hello. Just noticed that the selected picture box right now sports a red link. Think you could look that up? Cheers! -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}17:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

A new category to check out.

Category:Imposters_of_Ambuj.Saxena, with now-deleted userpages that were duplicates of yours. Pilotguy burned it all, but before he did the user page got vandalised with the same kind of junk as yours. Kevin_b_er 02:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The vandal seems to be burning out of frustration. First he tried my user page, then talk page, then Pakistan article, and now my sock-puppets. After we get the updates, the AOL vandals will run out of gas. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation Audio File

Many thanks for adding the pronunciation audio file. (In Bangladesh article). (I should've done it). Anyway, thanks, again. Many people pronounce the part "Bang" in the word "Bangladesh" in a wrong way, which leads to other meaning, they often do it purposely, but now they can be shown the enyclopedic article and hear the audio file for correct pronunciation. ~ Tarikash 07:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC).

You're welcome. If you need help with any other pronunciation file, I would be glad to help. I don't have native Bangla accent, but know the correct pronunciation of most Bangla words. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Castes and Tribes of the Punjab

Hi. I am asking your opinion on this festering dispute that has developed between myself and Satbir Singh since the past few days.

The facts of the matter are like this:

I created a template called Castes and Tribes of the Punjab with a view to studying the caste and tribal groups that exist in what was the ancient Punjab region (Punjab (Pakistan), Punjab (India), Haryana and Himachal Pradesh). My intention, unlike any Ibbetsons, Todds or Cunninghams was to study these groups from a purely anthropological perspective sans any controversy so that people visiting this portal would get to know about the huge mosaic that my province (I am a Punjabi) is.

I started with a few groups. But soon enough the groups began to increase. For the sake of brevity, I grouped them under Categories. As the template evolved, I learnt not to name any category speculatively.

The final categories were:

Brahmin groups. Dalit groups. Jat clans. Khatris and other groups. Rajput clans. Shaikhs and other groups. Tarkhans and other groups. Others (groups to which i could not attribute any specific status). In the last (Others), I also included groups such as Kamboj, Khasa, Ahir and Gujjar. However, Satbir Singh separated them and bunched them under a new category called "Surviving Ancient Kshatriya Tribes".

Since that day, a revert war has been on between the two of us. According to Satbir, these groups such as the Ahirs (the ancient Abhiras), the Gujjars (Gurjaras), the Khas (the Khasas), the Kamboj (Kambojas) and Yadav (Yadavas) are ancient Kshatriya tribes mentioned in a number of ancient Sanskrit texts.

My own personal opinion is that all this is true. However, some points must be noted:

The Varna System is a topic subject to a lot of controversy and dispute. I have been noticing this in recent weeks. Pages such as Khatri, Rajput, Kayastha and Bhumihar have been vandalised because many people don't agree with the Varna status of these groups. If the Ahirs, the Gujjars, the Khasaa, the Kambojas and the Yadavas are Kshatriya groups, then so are the Rajputs, Jats, Khatris, Tarkhans et al. I did not create a category entitled "Kshatriya groups" in the first place because I knew I was treading on soft ground. All the above mentioned castes claim Kshatriya status. But we all know, how disputable these claims are. The rigmarole that is the Varna System is known to us all. For example, the Jats, who in the Vedic and Mythological periods were workers should be placed in the Shudra Category under the Varna System. But many Jats clans consider themselves the equal and perhaps the superior of Rajputs as adhrents of Kshatriya Dharma. My own caste, the Khatris and related groups such as Aroras claim Kshatriya status. But we have seen on the Khatri page as to what became of that claim. Ahirs, Gujjars and Yadavs are considered to be OBCs in most Indian states inspite of their being the descendants of ancient Abhiras, Gurjaras and Yadus. There is a controversy raging on the Yadav page presently if I am not wrong, on the status of the caste. Taking all these points into consideration and being aware of the fact that there are users (say Sanjay Mohan and Holywarrior, who have caused great disputes on various caste pages, I proposed categories such as "Kambojs and related groups" (Kamboj, Kamboja, Kamboh and Khasa) and "Gujjars and realted groups" (Ahirs, Gujjars, Dhangars and Bakarwals). But Satbir Singh and another user named Sze cavalry01 objected to it. They returned to "Ancient Kshatriya Tribes". I did a little compromise by making it "Ancient Warrior Tribes", which I later realised would also be POV. Therefore, I changed it to just "Ancient Tribes" - A completely unspeculative term.

However, Satbir Singh does not agree. He calls it a "gross suppression of known historical facts", "a crime against history" and "a political agenda" and has termed me a "Vandal". I have put forward my points. But both of us are yet to agree.

I have fighting a revert war with him for almost a week now. Have a look at the template's history page and Satbir Singh's talk page to get a complete idea of the whole fracas.

This fight has become downright silly. I surely don't expect myself to spend my time, money and energy on such a silly matter. And I am sure neither does the other party.

As of now, Administrator Shresth has protected the page on my request. He has also asked that the dispute be discussed on the talk page of the template and a consensus be reached. Yourself and anybody else you know who has an interest in the Punjab, please come and express your opinion on the talk page. Even if you don't have interest, it still is an issue of NPOV vs POV. So please express your thoughts.

Regards. Rajatjghai 05:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Noble Peace Prize

Yes Ambuj, it would be great if we the wikipedians are able to get nomination for the Noble Peace Prize for the President of Wikimedia Foundation. We have to work out our strategy. Please also exercise your mind, I am doing mine. --Bhadani 13:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Indo-Greek Kingdom maps

Hi Vastu,

Saw that you have doing a lot of work on the Indo-Greek Kingdom maps lately. However, I also note that you always upload new maps under a different name. Just wanted to tell you that it is possible to upload a new version of an image over the previous one. In the "File history" section of the image description page, you will find a link that says "Upload a new version of this file". You can use that and save time in changing the links to the old maps. Hope this helps. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah thankyou, I hadnt spotted that - will use it in future. Regards, Vastu 15:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

IIT Kharagpur

Hi - nah, it was just to fix a format problem, which was occuring on my comp. I hate to see the format torn apart by oversized and misplaced pics. If there is any problem created as a result of it, please change it back. I'm gonna make my first round of comments here (copy it to the PR if you like):

By a brief scan, I get the impression that this article doesn't really offer anything different from the main IITs one. I wonder if you could discover and emphasis a deeper area of information. For example, the IITs are given an overview-style of coverage, but perhaps we could get more info here on the effect of this institute on the locality, students interactions with local Bengali culture and people, association with neighbouring companies (I believe Kharagpur is an industrial area?), practices and courses that make Kharagpur different.

"History" needs to emphasize the unique role of IIT Kharagpur as being the first. 'What issues surrounded its foundation, construction and what happened in that crucial period between 1951 and 1961 that influenced the government to call the experiment a success and found IIT Bombay? What does IIT Kharagpur contribute to the other IITs, Indian economy and all-India students activities? Talk about the buildings, organization that make up IIT-K, with the architecture, etc. How is the student body different from other IITs? More on the Alumni.

As its your almamater, I'd expect a special effort like photographing faculty, labs, classrooms, friends, the local area, doing some investigative journalism about the place's history. Digging into the library for specific information on this IIT's formation. You need to go real deep, because you can. This Fire Burns Always 18:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi - sorry for the delay. I completely understand your points, and I encourage you to do all you can to add different, unique information to this article. Specially important is the period between 1951 and the 1960s, when IIT-K was the only institution of its kind, and may be seen as the experiment that led to the success and spread of the IITs and NITs. I would suggest that you talk to your professors and dean, and do your damned best to find any and all information on this, and of course, other topics.

As for that caste system note, no I hadn't seen it and don't understand it. This Fire Burns Always 22:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)