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Phos Hilaron Mystery

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An interesting thing happened when I was researching for the Phos Hilaron page. I contacted my mother who has a copy of the trusty Hymns Ancient and Modern from way back when, to see if she had a copy of a score for the hymn. She had never heard of Phos Hilaron before, nor the English name Hail Gladdening Light, and she couldn't find her copy of the hymnbook. But in her rummaging she came across a book she didn't know she had. It was a Hymnbook used by the Church of England in Canada; The Book of Common Praise. It was dated 1910 and dedicated to my great-grandfather who had gone over to Canada, at that time, to find work for a couple of years or so. Right in the front of it was taped in this hymn with the appropriate bass vocal score.

The words are a little different, but it's conceivable that it was based on the ancient Byzantine hymn Phos Hilaron.

Hail Joyful Light, O worship and praise
Father and Son and Spirit Divine;
First and the Last the Ancient of Days
Pow'r and dominion ever be Thine.

Light of all Light, Thou measureless love
Guide Thou our feet and lighten our way;
Now by Thy Rising lead us above:
Thin is salvation, Thou art the Day.

I just thought it was a nice little coincidence. Amatire 15:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update I've not found any record of this song in any other hymnbook or on the web. An interesting theory is creeping up on me. As a talented musician and a choirboy it is possible that my great-grandfather wrote this song himself based on the Phos Hilaron which is also included in the hymnbook in it's English 1834 form. Could it have been a song written for the church in Canada he was attending? Does anyone living in Canada recognise these specific lyrics? I'd be interested to hear. Amatire : (Talk Page) 16:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interest situation, and theory - God works etc. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page) 16:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your excellent work on this article. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Web refs

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Thanks that will come in useful! Amatire : (Talk Page) 17:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moores on LoPbN

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Thanks for both the new Moores on List of people by name: Moo-Moq, and hunting down the broken comment that i must have left behind! Your resourcefulness, apparently in spite of lacking much aquaintance with the Wiki-markup involved is to your credit. I owe you a few, and and hope you'll make a point to ask me some technical questions as time goes by; i'll try to remember to give short answers, and you should remind me if i give you too much info in reply. Hope you continue to be a colleague, and thanks again.
--Jerzy•t 01:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! What a mammoth undertaking you've given yourself! Though I have to admit my help in it was purely selfish, I was looking up friends' namesakes and noticed some were missing off the list. So I added them. (I found out I was a Women's Rights activist and fought for the abolition of slavery, in another life! I wonder if you can work out who my namesake is...!) I'm one of those annoying people who can never be bothered to read the manual prefering to blunder about trying things out and seeing what happens. I'd quite happily welcome some technical info though, as searching for it on Wiki isn't always immediately fruitful! I'll let you know when I next come across something that baffles me. You can go into as much detail as you like, I shall probably appreciate it. Though be prepared for dummy questions in reply! Ammi 20:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Selfish is when you do the research & don't make it available to anyone else. Any motivation that gets you to contribute is a good one, AFAI am concerned. I haven't really sorted out my own LoPbN motivation; i do add names, but that's a black hole for any one person to tackle without bots to help; my real focus is hammering the format into something consistent enough that people adding names say to themselves "oh, that looks like it works", and the structure, which isn't as demanding as it looks, because the underlying templates are much more complicated than what most people notice...in case that makes any sense at all. Great; don't be a stranger.
--Jerzy•t 00:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

piccies

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Lovely pic of Image:River Kent in Kendal.JPG but the captioning was below the standard I like to see. I know it is a bit more trouble but why not upload your pictures to the Commons so all Wikis can share. Have you considered contributing to geograph? There are surprisingly many squares around Kendal still needing pictures. (My stuff is here.) -- RHaworth 11:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your help RHaworth. I am a complete novice at uploading pictures, so I just did what I usually do and winged it. I've taken your advice and added some extra information. I'd not heard of geograph before, but it looks good fun. I wondered if you had any extra information on the surrounding area? There is a legend about the Gilpins that one of them rode into Kendal parish church on a horse in the English Civil War to rout out the opposition. But I don't seem to find any record of it anywhere else online, and unfortunately the only information I have on it is anecdotal at present. There is a book about Staveley and Kentmere somewhere which might make mention of it. I don't imagine that you'd heard anything about that have you? Also interested in any extra info for the Staveley page, or for pre-historic Kentmere. I know there were viking settlements in the valley and also bronze age round houses but that's a little vague. Also, I have a feeling that the boat found was bronze age not viking, but I can't find any way to verify that at the moment. Unfortunately I don't live in the area otherwise it would be just a matter of popping round to the Kendal Museum! I would especially like to hear anything you have to say about the area, as most of my stuff is family memories from when we were living there rather than local knowledge. Besides that, it's just nice to meet someone you can chat to about the Lakes, it's a soft spot for me! Any advice about any articles I'm working on is always welcome too. I did say I'm a novice after all! -- Ammi 12:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, more questions. What are the copyright limitations on geograph pictures? Can they be used for Wikipedia? Just wondering because there's a good one of Staveley here. And Re: your geograph pictures; Furze Bottom?! Absolute genius. I wonder who comes up with names like that?! -- Ammi 12:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I am not that good on Kendal history but I will look around. We have lots of Geograph pictures - please upload them to the commons and apply the {{geograph}} tag to them. Who thinks up names like Furze Bottom - same sort of person who invents Alice How and Banner Rigg - my daddy tells me that for years I thought they were people. -- RHaworth 13:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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