User:Nixeagle/Talk/Archive/11

Talk Archive: December 2006 This is a talk page archive of Eagle_101. These are archives, please go to my talk page if you want to talk to me. I do ALL my archiving by hand. If there is something in this archive that I mistakenly archived, feel free to bring it back out of this archive (copy and paste it, but do remove it out of the archive), and put on my talk page. If you should do this, please add it to a new section at the bottom of my talk page and put a signed reason why you thought it should not be archived yet. Archives old stuff  •  March 2006  •  April 2006  •  May 2006  •  June 2006  •  July 2006  •  August 2006  •  September 2006  •  October 2006  •  November 2006  •  December 2006  •  January 2007  •  Febuary 2007  •  March 2007  •  April 2007  •  May 2007  •  June 2007  •  July 2007  •  August 2007  •  September 2007  •  October 2007  •  November 2007

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recent discussion

....check out recent discussion on Wikipedia_talk:External_links, i think you'll be interested. JoeSmack ^Talk 19:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, that was interesting, but I am still not sure what i´m doing wrong. Lots of charities have Wikipedia pages, so what wording would you use to share information about a charity in buenos aires? (by unknown user, whom I cannot find in the history.) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Shadowbot blocked

Hey, Eagle, in case you haven't seen this yet: [1].

We need to start making sure the databases are synced. Saga might be able to set the /Spambot directory on xerospace to have a username/password that the bots use. In any case, I'm not bringing Shadowbot up until we get this problem fixed. Shadow1 (talk) 19:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

We know the real problem now, and has been fixed on the new version of LinkWatcher. Now it will pass out data on the size of the diff. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of James Utechin

Hello, Eagle 101, you speedy deleted James Utechin recently on the grounds of A7. I can understand if this person is considered by some unworthy of a full entry, but shouldn't something like this go through AfD? The person is notable actually (source for playing Young Lupin in upcoming Harry Potter film from BBC), though it may be he doesn't merit an entire article to himself, in which case I would suggest a redirect to Minor actors and actresses in Harry Potter. However, I strongly oppose the deletion of the page without some sort of discussion. (Incidentally, Talk:James Utechin still exists. Dunno if you want to do something about that.) --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 23:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I now nominated it for {{afd}}. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

irc spam project

hey thanks for the tips just now! i found out about the irc spam project from a banner on someones user page. im gonna try my best to help, but itll probably take me a while to figure everything out :) my names matt btw --gwc 23:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

no problem!! we need as many good people as we can find! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/NovelsInCompleteInfobox

Hi, as lots of work has been done of working through this list, again mostly by me, I think it now needs another re-run. Would you be able to do that in the next day or two. Thanks :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Also is there any movement on being able set up runs of these lists ourselves. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Erm... I have been busy with the anti-spam project. I will work on getting another run done in a few days. (this weekend). About the other part, give me a week or so (if I am lucky, and have time). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 18:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

just a reminder :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 12:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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I really ought to get my name off of this... —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

A clear criteria as to what audio recording links are permitted and which are not requested please

How is the link added to for example: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Richard_Nixon spamming? Please check the speeches and audio recordings links already present there.

There is a widespread precedence on wikipedia for audio recordings as factual contributions. Audio interviews are no less factual than links to text based fansites hosted on geocities or videos links to youtube or google videos, such links already exist all over wikipedia as acceptable and are sufficiently relevant to exist, why not the ones I have added?

If you allow some but not others, without a clear criteria as to what audio recording links are allowed and which ones are not, than there is not only a double standard going on here but a form of censorship as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Christopher70 (talk • contribs) 19:11, November 30, 2006 (UTC)

Please read this and this. Ask me if you have any questions. Basically what you are doing is adding a link to the same site over many pages. Remember wikipedia is an encyclopedia first. We are not a linkfarm. For some ideas on productive things to do for wikipedia, check out the Community Portal. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

links, content removed by Eagle 101

Eagle, I have read both the Spam and external link guidelines. I feel that the links and content that I've added do not run afoul of Wiki policies. Furthermore, if the links and content that I have added are contrary, certainly the large and widespread links to LawPeriscope, are in the exact same category. I do not feel, however, that Law Periscope nor the AveryIndex fit in the prohibited categories.

Here are the links to be avoided guidelines. The content is useful and relevant. The links I've added link to unique resources, including user comments, star rankings, firm news and firm practice areas. The research and information is all verified and high quality. The links are not intended mainly to promote a web site (any more than LawPeriscope) in that they provide information on the firm. No products or services are sold. There is very little advertising on these pages (similar to amount on LawPeriscope). No payment is required to view. Website is accessible. No external applications are needed. This is not a search engine result page. This is not a social networking site. This is not a personal website. This is not an open wiki. This is material directly applicable to the firms (perhaps more so than LawPeriscope).

I feel this is inconsistent treatment and that the content I have added provides value. Many references to the AveryIndex Law Firm rankings exist on Wikipedia. They benefit me and others who are interested in law firms, such as law students. In addition, I understand that the Avery Index doesn't generate enough on the little advertising there is to even cover hosting.

Also, the Schiltz 100 was designed by a law professor at Notre Dame and is academic, non-commercial. Seems like exactly what Wikipedia is all about. This unsigned comment was submitted by GreysAnatomy (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log) on 22:26, 30 November 2006

The notability and reliability of a source are but two criteria, it also needs to be verifiable as per WP:V. Cheers ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (My Contributions) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia)} 23:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

As for verifiability, the data is verifiable by the AveryIndex (a reliable source), The American Lawyer (a reliable source), Vault (a reliable source) and the Honorable Patrick J. Schiltz (District Judge in Minnesota). I think that more than meets the verifiability requirement.

I don't think any of those sources are what can be deemed a reliable source. The judge is a self-published source, so he/she does not mean much. Also, can you show me why the AveryIndex would be reliable? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey Eagle. I can give you several reasons the AveryIndex is reliable. 1. most of the data comes from a database of 6,500 attorney surveys, 2. some of the data comes from a separate database of 15,000 attorney surveys, 3. the rest of the data comes from either the NALP (National Association for Law Placement) or reliable new sources (CNN, The American Lawyer, etc.), 4. the information includes 6,600 direct links to official law firm websites (another source of verification), 5. the judge is not self-published at all as far as I know - the Schiltz 100 methodology was published originally in the Vanderbilt Law Review [2], which is published by the Vanderbilt Law School, a top 20 law school [3]. Law reviews are highly verified as they are professional publications and each article is subjected to extensive pre-publication scrutiny and then post-publication responses.

Ok, in that case propose the links on the article's talk page. Also perhaps learn what WP:CITE is. Don't go about spamming the same link (to the same site or domain) to more then 5 articles. External links don't help wikipedia, added content does. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 03:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleting Mohammed Rindus

Thanks for deleting that article, and I'm sorry about the confused nature of the AfD listing =/ I'm still not entirely sure which tag I should have used.... Alexforcefive 04:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem, that is what we admins are for! Don't worry about getting the "process" correct, as long as you have the intent correct. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Image at King's College Hospital

Hi there, it was unclear from your edit summary why you removed the picture of King's College Hospital Golden Jubilee Wing. Was it a copyvio? If so why not just revert the image back to the original one I had put up of the Ruskin Wing which has a commons licence? Thanks --PaulWicks 17:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I was doing image deletions. I was removing the redlink left from a deleted image on a page. I am sorry if I goofed. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for commenting..

I have added a sample link of AboutUs.org in use.. and more defense of first popular DMOZ alternative. Please revisit the new article, but try the link to whois at the bottom showing about us in use by a popular information source on WhoIs.--162.83.180.170 18:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I replied on the AfD. (read WP:SPAM) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Editing links

Hi, I just got a message from you about my editing of links on the college bowl games. http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User_talk:75.36.213.220&redirect=no What's sort of funny is that I was trying to do the right thing, and clean up some links that someone else had posted. I was making them go to the specific .htm page for each game, and correcting the link text because his site doesn't have a history of the games, but accounts of the games that have been collected from various uncredited sources. Personally, I would be fine with removing all of those links as the linked-to site has copied some descriptions from wikipedia, and other sites, without quoting or attributing the quotes. (I sent an e-mail to the owner of the site about that already.) So anyways, in summary, I was trying to clean up his links. From your message, maybe the links should just be deleted. Let me know what you want me to do.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.36.213.220 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Sounds good, if you want to do that, that would be a great service. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, do you mean you want me to delete his links? User:Wizardry Dragon/Templates/UserTalkPage unsignedip

I guess I will leave them for now since most of my changes have been reverted (which I think is wrong) and I'm afraid that if I start deleting his links, someone will think I'm vandalizing. User:Wizardry Dragon/Templates/UserTalkPage unsignedip

Please think about making a username. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I did, it's now Mcrawford620. Still not sure -- do you want me to delete all of the links like History of the Liberty Bowl? If not, they should at least be edited.

Please read WP:EL, and WP:SPAM for an idea of what links are appropriate and which ones are not. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I've read those and I think that the links should be deleted as they do not fall under any of the categories of "What should be linked to" or "Links to be considered." They are all links to a personal webpage (discouraged under "Links normally to be avoided"), they are a bunch of links across many articles to the same page (talked about on the Spam page), and have unattributed sources (I can see that some of his text is copied from Wikipedia). So, I can try to delete them as that's my reading of the situation.

But I guess my concern is that if I start deleting his links, it will be construed as vandalizing and my attempts will just be reverted again. Also, since I'm new here, I'm not exactly sure that I'm reading the guidelines perfectly. I appreciate your help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcrawford620 (talk • contribs) 07:03, December 4, 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sure, howabout this, you do the edits (to remove bad links), and show me which articles you edited, and I will be glad to make sure that you are not countered by anti-vandalism. Also I invite you to join #wikipedia-spam on the freenode IRC network. If you need help getting an IRC client ect, I am glad to offer my assistance. Look for Eagle 101, that is my IRC nick. If I am not on you can always join #wikipedia-spam-t to talk. The bot in that channel is my programming, so I hope it helps you out, and you can always suggest new features in #wikipedia-spam-t. I am looking forward to seeing you on IRC! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 13:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. When you are leaving messages on peoples talk pages, you might want to put four tildes after your reply. This will "sign" your name and the time that you posted it. This way I can tell who is talking to me. (without looking in the history of the page). So just put ~~~~ after your post. :) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 13:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S.(agian) There is a good chance I won't be on an hour from this post, and I will be away for about 9 hours or so. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 13:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Probably the easiest way to find the pages I'm editing is just by going to Mcrawford620 contribs since I don't plan on editing anything else right now. I'm going to be going down the list of articles here: Mmbolding contribs, because he's the one that added all the links. Thanks for the intro, I'll look into the IRC client when I get a chance. I was wondering what that protocol was that Firefox didn't recognize. Mcrawford620 16:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Closed some XFDs

Hello. Just wanted to let you know that I closed the XFDs for Molly Fox, Mario Kart Nintendo Wii, and Demisolarman. Gzkn 07:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

was clearing out the CAT:CSD backlog, we had over 200 articles on it. Sorry if I speedied somethings and forgot to check for the afd. Thanks for telling me though. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 07:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. It gave me a chance to learn how to close XfDs. :) Gzkn 07:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

G Bar

Can you please tell me why you deleted 'G Bar'? Kneale 14:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Please read the deletion summary, which you can access by going to the deleted article and clicking the link. for ease of use, I got the deletion summary link here. Hope that helps. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree with your decision to delete my page. Gay clubs in other cities of the UK have pages but none for Liverpool (eg G-A-Y, Popstarz, Heaven_nightclub) Kneale 20:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Inclusion of other articles does not establish notability; you need to establish the notability of the article for it to be included. Cheers, ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (My Contributions) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia)} 21:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Swizzle Tree

Hey Eagle, I believe this page was deleted because of lack of notability. They had a page before I edited it and since has been deleted. This band does have a considerable following and tour actively. They are signed to a newly formed label Areena Records. I was trying to expand the article by including album information and was working on getting more sources. I would like a chance to expand the article to meet Wikipedia standards. This is the first article I edited and do not want this bands page to be deleted because of me. Thank You. Rockman10 17:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion to you would be to place the article under your userspace, and work to improve it there. When you are finished, run it by the Village Pump and see if people think it meets guidelines. Eagle can recreate the page under your userspace if you would like. Cheers, ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (My Contributions) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia)} 20:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I put the article under WP:AFD. I deleted because the article failed to show its importance. I undeleted because of potential confusion with my deletion and the nominators reason for nominating that page. If it is deleted make a note there that you would like a copy of that article in your userspace. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

need help with new user

I have a new user Kneale who asked me a question about the article G Bar. I think I remember seeing the article, and I think I may have been the nominator for WP:CSD. However, I don't recall what the violation was. Can you help me explain to the user on his talk page about why the article was questionable? Thanks--Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 00:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The article was deleted based on CSD:A7:

“ Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. If the assertion is controversial or there has been a previous AfD, the article should be nominated for AfD instead. Note: Avoid the word "vanity" in deletion summaries since it may be considered insulting. ”

Cheers, ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (My Contributions) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia)} 00:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know what CSD A7 states. I need to know how the article was in violation of that particular policy. If the new user does not know his fault in editing Wikipedia, that user would not have guidance on how he/she could improve.--Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 01:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I undeleted the page to User:Eagle 101/G Bar, I hope that helps. Basically it does not state why that particular bar is important. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think CSD:A7 is particularly ambiguous. If you have questions, please ask. ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (My Contributions) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia)} 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Page recreation

I think that User:Taelmx may have recreated Rising Tide Online after you deleted it for being advertising. WODUP (talk) 06:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks, I re-deleted, and left the user a message. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 06:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It's been re-recreated. WODUP 06:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, User:Taelmx has been blocked for 48 hours. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 06:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Userfication to User:Food Safety Network

Unfortunately, userification of corporate vanity articles only makes them more spammy, not less. Articles about companies masquerading as user pages are not user pages, they are blatant adverts. There's an ongoing crackdown against this stuff, because Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Userpages are not immune from {{db-spam}}, in fact one of the main reasons it is a general criteria is because of spam like this. MER-C 07:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry I have done over 750 deletions in the last 24 hours... sorry about the goofs... —— Eagle (ask me for help) 08:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/NovelsInCompleteInfobox

This is just a reminder :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

sorry... got busy with other things... I still can't believe that the admins let CAT:CSD run up to 300 articles. Anyway, give me till tomorrow. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 09:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I did not get to it tonight... I have the tool running now though. If I get a good set of results I will give to you. It keeps crashing every time my internet hiccups. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Musopen

Hello,

Why was musopen deleted? The notice said its deletion would be discussed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magic5227 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Have you read the AfD? If you have let me know, and I will try to provide further help. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The only Afd discussion was from 2005, since then it has been featured on more press, and has significantly increased traffic. I dont understand why a similar project, Mutopia, with the same amount of traffic and notability, and with similar project goals, is allowed on Wikipedia, but Musopen is deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magic5227 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Ok, if you feel the other one is not significant, feel free to nominate it for deletion. Remember we have 1,500,000 articles... we still have not clean out everything! Basically you have not stated why this project is important. But secondarily, I could have deleted this page as a CSD G11. The page reads like an advert, and not an encyclopedia article. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 18:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Eagle 101's over-speedy deletion of article

• Gold, Peter (1994). Navajo & Tibetan sacred wisdom: the circle of the spirit. ISBN 0-89281-411-X. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)CS1 maint: year (link) Rochester, Vermont: Inner Traditions International.

I entered the chapter headings...i looked at another book article, *Brown, Dee (1970). Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. ISBN 0-330-23219-3. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)CS1 maint: year (link) and used this as a template and noticed that they had the chapter headings in there. If this is not a violation please reinstate the chapter headings into the article and paste a response to this on my chat page. Namaste in agape B9 hummingbird hovering 09:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I really dont understand at all what you're saying here. Please try to explain a little more clearly. ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 22:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Fyg

You've tagged this as AFD, but I can't see the AFD discussion itself? Davidprior 14:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks like 16:53, December 6, 2006 Tizio (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Fyg" (WP:CSD#A3) That happened. I don't have any control over that. Sorry. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Herbert Saffir

Please undelete this article. Saffir is notable as one of the creators of the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale. Argyriou (talk) 15:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I gave it a real close look, it looks like I made a mistake there, so I undeleted. Thanks for asking. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

John J. Nance

Hi, I think this author is definitely notable, in addition to his work as an author he is also the aviation safety analyst for good morning america and ABC, so he appears frequently when they 'go to an expert'. Check [4] for more info (which I hadn't yet had the chance to put into the article. He's also on the disambig link for nance: Nance (disambiguation) Aaronw 16:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I deleted per WP:CSD#A7 which says I deleted because the page failed to demonstrate importance. Also, there was a link to a personal website in it. (on the first edit to create the page). If you really want to make a good article out of this, I am glad to undelete to your userspace. This means I will make something like User:Aaronw/John J. Nance, and undelete the article to that location). Doing this will allow you to work on the article, when you want it moved to mainspace, just ask me or set a post to the villagepump, saying that you think this article is ready. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Please go ahead and undelete it to my userspace. I'm a little confused about your comment about a personal website, however. This is the author's official website like [5] for John Grisham or [6] for Michael Crichton, which are in the references section for those authors. Aaronw 20:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Done as per request —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Floro Fighting Systems on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Floro Fighting Systems. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. --W.marsh 16:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Did so. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I am asking for the undelete due to the fact that FFS is a recognized style of martial arts with a large footprint in the modern Filipino martial arts world. The former article was definately spammy, and had numerous formatting errors, including but not limited to first person narrative, unreferenced sources etc. I have attempted to rewrite the article using proper formatting including references and linking to other wikipedia articles which directly reference the system or history. Marcdscott 17:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to change what I said at the Deletion review, thanks for your concern anyway. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. If you have a question I am glad to reply. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Deletion Review

You recently deleted two articles i posted (Dan Saenz,Jetset Music Group. There was no explanation for the deletion of any sort and i specifically asked for comments/ concerns regarding the articles. I have referenced numerous similar articles and the ones that i have posted are very similar is format and style. I do not understand why they are not acceptable. I can't make changes if I don't know what the problem is. Please help!!! INT001 19:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, have you looked at the deletion logs? for Dan Saenz, and for Jetset Music Group. If you don't understand those, feel free to ask me. (please do click the links given in the deletion summaries!). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Also do note that just because others exist that are similar to yours, is not a justification in and of itself for keeping yours. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I have read all the logs and have made all the changes accordingly. I have posted a (hangon) with questions with how to improve the article , but people feel the need to unfairly delete the page with no explanation other than the original comments, which have already been fixed. Most of the points are no longer valid, nor have any relevence to wikipedia's guidelines. If you could be more specific as far as what is actually wrong with the page, that would be helpful. I don't really understand how some articles get approved when they are simply two lines of text with no other actually information. for ex. System Recordings How is this acceptable but my article about Jetset Music Group is unacceptable. Pleas helpINT001 20:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Please realize that just becuase another similar page is in wikipedia yours needn't be included. Basically these pages have failed to show why the person and the company are important. I mean do you have any specific questions about why I deleted? Do you have any proof of why this person (and his company) are important in an encyclopedia'. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

(Also realize that the hangon tag is not binding, but I did read your argument.) I will put the template on my page here so you can see for yourself.

The speedy deletion of this page is contested. The person placing this notice intends to dispute the speedy deletion of this article on its talk page, and requests that this page not be deleted in the meantime.

Note that this request is not binding, and the page may still be deleted if it is considered that the page unquestionably meets the speedy deletion criteria, or if the promised explanation is not provided very soon. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Again, feel free to tell me why this group is important, and on a greater note, even if they do pass {{db-bio}}, they will still need to pass WP:MUSIC, WP:BAND, and WP:CORP. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I understand what you are saying, but importance is a very subjective thing. What may be very important to you, could mean nothing to other people. As for the Dan Saenz article, i thought it was pretty clear as to why the article is important. Just like any other music producer his work is very relevent to wikipedia. Just because you don't personally know any of his work or have any background in his industry doesn't mean he isn't notable or relevent to wikipedia. There are far less important articles on wiki and it isnt clear as to why this page doesn't justify his notablility. What do you need to see in order for this to pass? More References, full biography, uploaded samples of his work? Recent Budweiser commercials he has done music for? INT001 20:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to get what I am saying about WP:INN, Please read that. On another note, I am willing to undelete these to your userspace. That would mean the articles would go to User:INT001/Dan Saenz and User:INT001/Jetset Music Group. This way you could improve the articles some more. Then when you think they are ready for mainspace, let me know and I will move them. (this does not preclude me from tagging them for {{afd}}, but if you show me why they should be kept, by improving the pages, I will be glad to move them to mainspace. Keep in mind... for them to pass an AFD they will need to meet the requirements of WP:MUSIC, WP:BAND, and WP:CORP. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Twelve project

Hi, you recently speedily deleted the Twelve project entry due to the fact you considered it as not being notable. It was notable in that it features at least one member (more than one actually) from a notable group (Six By Seven). Surely this article should have been put up for discussion under the articles for deletion section. The reason that I am saying this is that Fuck me USA, which is linked back to this group and also has the same relationship with six by seven, is currently being discussed. In fact Twelve should be more elligible to have an article on Wikipedia seeing as two albums have been released. Both Twelve and Fuck Me USA are an essential part of the Six By Seven history/timeline. Please put it up for discussion.

Thanks, Ollie --Olliemorr 19:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Done as per request. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Links to official sites for NY Theatres

Hi--

I've been adding links to the official websites/webpages for Broadway theatres in NY. You've deleted at least one of those links as spam. I'm not certain why. I've read the spam link guidelines, and these links don't violate those guidelines, as far as I can tell. They are not marketing links (as many of the links on these pages are), they are links to the official sites for these theatres, sites which have the most comprehensive historical information on the theatres anywhere on the Internet, as far as I've been able to find.

At this time I'm not interested in participating in the grander Wikipedia project of providing a fuller section on the history of NY theatres, although I am glad others are working on it. I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be discussing this with, since the only discussion around these pages seems to be focused on that major project.

While I am not new to Wikipedia, I am new to editing, so I'd appreciate any guidance you can provide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jtattenbaum (talk • contribs) 22:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Please try to avoid adding links across many articles, this is generally seen as spam. The best approach if you want to add a link to many articles is to propose the link on the article talk pages. Cheers, ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (My Contributions) (Support Neutrality)} 22:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but there ARE no article talk pages! That's what confused me. I only started doing all at once because that's my instinct for completion popping up. Thanks for the clarification. I guess I need to jump into the broader project discussion (a little intimidating, I must admit). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jtattenbaum (talk • contribs) 22:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Then create them - just click the red Talk tab, and you can make one, just post your comment and viola! Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 23:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Jonathan Fifi'i

Could you please read my note on Talk:Jonathan Fifi'i? Cheers, Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 04:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you want me to undelete and put on an afd? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Not specifically. Note the last sentence of my message, regarding re-tagging. If I do believe it fufills it after some research, I'll put it on AfD anyways to make sure. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 04:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I will put up for AFD unless you object in the next 5 minutes. (I am the one that deleted and I read your reasoning when I deleted. I am curious why you point me back at this... —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Go for it :) Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 04:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Actually, don't worry - the sources I've found for him, in my opinion, don't make him notable. I withdraw my (hopeful) objection :) Cheers, Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 04:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

BAh! make up your mind! I left deleted for now. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the problem is that so little is known about the movement and the islands in general. I think its very worth noting but i don't have time to do it justice in the next 5 seconds or indeed the nes\xt 5 days. Hopefully i can get it together over the next week or so, but i request you keep the article up there as maybe others can add to it too? Paki.tv 05:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think we already decided to leave it deleted, I trust Daniel.Bryant's judgment on the sources. If and when you get enough sources ect, make a page. Until then, remember wikipedia's job is not to make thing popular and or "spread the word", we are an encyclopedia. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

deletion of temp pages

Under G6: housekeeping. Pascal.Tesson 06:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks (note this was a query I made to his talk page.) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 07:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Robert Dean

I see that you have removed redlinks to Robert Dean on various pages related to Victoria politics because the page has been deleted. Now I am not sure why the page was deleted (I never saw it) but I will assume it was deleted for good reason; which is of course fine. But I wanted to know why you removed the redlinks for him. He is perfectedly notable as a former politician. Regards. Teiresias84 06:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Per Criteria for Speedy Deletion, A7 - content was: '{{db-bio}}Robert Dean is a VIP of the Cambridge night-life scene. He is also co-founder, and a professional player, of the game 'Rob Dean Hot Potato' ...' --- based on that article, and what I saw (with the number of deletetions that page has gone under, I thought it best to remove the redlinks. If you disagree simply re-add them in. (revert my edit). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 06:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I might create a proper article for him and then re-insert the links. Teiresias84 07:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

deleting ugotstobefunking

please UNDELETE my biography. It is with a writer's freedom that i wrote it, and my article specifyinn the fictitious nature of the character involved should cause no problems. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ugotstobefunking (talk • contribs) 06:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Vanity pages are not allowed on Wikipedia. You must assert notability and be verifiability. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 17:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Restoring Red Links

Hi, I restored the red links to Harlequin Quail. It looks a bit odd when it's the only bird in a country list of hundreds of species not to have a link! Thanks, jimfbleak 07:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 07:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deleteion of HDMR (MIDI) article and inappropriate use of the human brain.

Despite being chastised for personal attacks, I'm finding this very difficult (and aggravating). You either marked for speedy deletion or performed the deletion of my stub article on Hardware Direct MIDI Routing with the excuse of:

Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject.

So, please:

1. Justify yourself.
2. Google HDMR and MIDI and read the big number.
3. Edit your justification.
4. Notice that Hardware Direct MIDI Routing is neither a "real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content" but an electronic music technology standard.
5. Blush.
6. Look at the pretty motherboard on newegg.com, click on specification and see how many HDMR connectors it has.
7. Notice that other people are trying to figure out what they are for and are getting incorrect answers.
8. Look at pretty pictures of HDMR connectors on an ASRock motherboard here and here (the blue connector).
9. Notice that there are other computer and music products that use an HDMR interface such as the Edirol UM-880 8x8 USB MIDI Interface.
10. Undelete the article Hardware Direct MIDI Routing.
11. Rollback changes to the Abbreviation HDMR.
12. Appologize.

Otherwise, I'll have to escalate this issue. Wikipedia is supposed to make information available for the masses, not pacify one's desire to belligerently delete new articles.

Thank you, Daniel Santos 07:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. It is generally very bad to threaten other users. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 17:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Just FYI, Eagle 101, participation in this hilarious charade is being forced upon me as well over at my talk page. tgies 08:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Despite, I should note, the fact that I was not involved in the tagging for deletion or deletion in any way. That's the really great part which promises to make this whole episode the drama hit of the year. tgies 12:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Although you did support it. Still being relatively green to Wikipedia, I haven't been able to determine who the admin was who actually approved/performed the deletion. Can anybody tell me how I can communicate with this person? Daniel Santos 08:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, the answer you cite as wrong? It's right. The HDMR slot (which, by the way, is an edge connector, not any type of plug typically associated with MIDI) on the motherboard has nothing to do with low-level MIDI patching, it's for a new type of modem, like Audio/modem riser, Advanced Communications Riser, and Communications and Networking Riser before it [7]. It is a standard invented by and specific to ASRock.

Speaking of proprietary standards, I find it very interesting that I can't find any hardware other than the Edirol device you mention which uses this "hardware direct MIDI routing", which sounds to me exactly like a limited-use corporate buzzword -- I am a musician and an engineer (build my own music equipment) myself, and I can tell you that most methods of MIDI patching could be described as hardware direct. Please do your research.

tgies 04:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Please mind how you word your argument. We are here to build an encyclopedia, not argue amongst ourselves. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Eagle, I apologize for the personal attacks. However, I hope that you do actually take the time to understand how your CSD nomination under A7 was bogus and inappropriate (i.e., this technology is quite notable and is not a vanity page, etc).

Tgies, again thank you for all of the wonderful work you've done. I found some of the manuals that you linked, but it had almost no useful information except for a reference to v.92 (which sounded like modem talk). I think I actually found the manuals after I had written the stub. If this specification was indeed invented by ASRock, they don't seem to have done a very good job of promoting it! (typical) However, I had no previous knowledge of these other modem interfaces that you listed and (as I said on your talk page), and I still haven't discovered exactly what this HDMR stands for. I can assure you that I spent a good amount of time researching this and I'm glad to have my incorrect association between the modem-interface and the proprietary MIDI technology pointed out. But I'll go ahead and create that Drama Hit of the Year (2006) article for you anyway :)

I am a musician as well, but I've never had a MIDI chain longer than 3 or 4 devices. When I studied music production/recording, however, our instructor demonstrated clear lag problems that were evident around 12 or 13 hops (he was a MIDI geek). I don't remember what types of devices he was running through specifically or how it was configured.

Daniel Santos 08:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Mitsuhiro Ishida

You speedy deleted the article on Mitsuhiro Ishida, but the subject, as a professional mixed martial arts fighter fighting in PRIDE, a major MMA promotion, is a sportsman who has competed at the highest level in his sport, and clearly passes WP:BIO and the Google test. Please reconsider your deletion, there are plenty like me at WP:MMA who can evaluate the article and edit it to an acceptable state. Thank you, hateless 10:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If you think you can improve the page. I will undelete it to your userspace. Just give me the word if this is OK with you. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds great, thanks. hateless 19:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Please read the policy on notability. Also, PRIDE is not neccesarily a "major" MMA promotion. (I haven't even heard of it, and I follow that stuff.) ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 17:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I know WP:N quite well, thank you. There are two promotions recognized by consensus as the majors in worldwide MMA, that's the UFC and PRIDE--you may want to catch up on PRIDE, there's plenty of info on them on WP. hateless 19:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:INN and WP:BIO clearly state that membership in a notable organization does not make a subject notable in and of them self. If it were, say, Hoyce Gracie, the inclusion and notablitiy would be obvious. But it is not. In either event, the article did not assert the subject had notability. If you would like, Eagle can undelete it to your user space, and you can improve it there until it would be accepted as a proper mainspace article. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 19:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy delete of Give my regards to Broadway

Hi, I was wondering why you speedy deleted the article on this (purported) upcoming disney film. Several people made the comment on the AfD page that it was nonsense, but it clearly was not - it was just really, really poorly written. Did anyone do any research to see if the film is really in production? If so, it seems clear that an article should exist. The fact that the article, as it existed, was probably written by a pre-teen doesn't mean it should have simply been deleted, in my opinion. --Dmz5 17:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure that is the article, I don't see anything in the deletion log for that page. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it's Give My Regards To Broadway. I notice that the page still exists but you closed the Afd with the result of "speedy delete."--Dmz5 18:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, now I am confused. Can I have a link to this AfD? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 18:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The page is a possible copyvio and has been tagged as such. See WP:COPYVIO Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 18:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh my gosh now I am confused. When I made the last edit to this page, I clicked on that link and it took me to the proper page, but now I clicked on it again and suddenly I am redirected to the song page which Peter refers to above. Here is the link to the AfD: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Give_My_Regards_To_Broadway --Dmz5 18:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It's possible someone replaced it with copyvio content, if that is the case, please revert back to the original. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 19:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

ImageMagick

Could you please undelete ImageMagick, or was there an AfD that I can't find? It's a popular open source project. --Foobody 18:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Please read my deletion summary, if you have questions after you read that (follow through to the links left in that summary), then feel free to ask me. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 18:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The page may have been notable, but it read like an advertisment, a violation of WP:NPOV. If you want it undeleted to hyour userspace so you may improve, please advise. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 18:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I read the copy of the article in Google cache, I didn't see anything that looked like "blatant advertising", so if that's accurate, if I were to rewrite it I think I would need more specific criteria. --Foobody 18:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Google cache is behind the live article significantly. The criteria is quite clear. Please read WP:SPAM and WP:NOT. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 19:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Please temp undelete or undelete to my user space. I would like to see it. FYI, the Google cached copy is 10 days old and the article had not been edited for 29 days prior. --Foobody 19:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Undeleted to User:Foobody/ImageMagick, please try to do some improvements and have it lose the advert feeling before putting into the mainspace (article space). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I removed the CSD templates. In the future, if you contest a speedy deletion, please use the {{hangon}} template. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 19:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I do not feel that speedy deletion was appropriate in this case. The G11 criteria says that the article must be "blatant" advertising such that it would need to be "fundamentally rewritten" to not read like an advertisement — this article might need only one or two minor changes if anything. I think that inclusion of Template:Advert or something like it would have been much more appropriate. I will make minor changes anyway. Would you like to review the article before I move it back? --Foobody 19:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I would not mind the chance to give it a once over. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Eagle just deleted it, he did not nominate it (you cant delete an article you nominate to CSD), so I cannot speak for the original intent. In either event, the current External Links - some of them appear extraneous. Please review WP:EL, WP:RS, and WP:SPAM. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 19:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I made some edits to User:Foobody/ImageMagick. Is it OK? I thought that all the external links were relevant, but a couple of the internal links not so. --Foobody 20:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

That's self defeating, foobody. Remember, external links don't add much to an article - content does. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 20:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Ryan Cousins

This article was deleted today, and the comment says "unremarkable people...". Cousins is the captain of a professional lacrosse team, how is he considered "unremarkable"? There are many pages on other athletes less "remarkable" than Cousins. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 21:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Other articles inclusion is not an idicator of notability. Please see WP:N and WP:V. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 21:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I never said he was notable because he appears on other Wikipedia pages. I said he was notable because he is a professional athlete. I plan on re-creating the page including career statistics. I will add a reference to the NLL web site where the stats come from. Would this satisfy the notion of "notability"? Thanks --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 21:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If you recreate the page it will be deleted as a recreation of deleted content. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 21:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

So you've decided that Ryan Cousins is not "notable", and if I or anyone else disagree, too bad? Here are links to "multiple independent sources" on Ryan Cousins:

• http://www.victoriashamrocks.ca/players/cousins.htm
• http://mnswarm.com/news/news.asp?news_id=28
• http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3126821
• http://www.plpa.com/gameday/

How can I get the page re-created? --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 23:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I am willing to undelete this to your userspace. that would be something like User:MrBoo/Ryan Cousins. Though I cannot gaurentee that when you do put it back into mainspace, that it won't be deleted again. (If you really want to be sure, you can always ask me when you are done fixing it up if it is acceptable or not.) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

That would be great, thanks. I did not create this page initially, but I'll fix it up to match the myriad of other pages for lacrosse players that I've created. BTW, sorry for my grumpiness earlier. I created a WikiProject on lacrosse, and have created and cleaned up numerous pages on players, teams, and leagues, so I didn't want to see the possibility that all of these pages may get deleted because someone else didn't find them "notable" enough. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 23:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh if this ever is deleted it should not set a trend, un-deleting after this post. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Is this better? I thought there was a voting procedure to go through before a page got deleted. If that had happened in this case, perhaps it wouldn't have been deleted, thus avoiding any "trend". --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 01:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

That looks fine to me, though you might want to specify that it is the US NLL. Remember this is a worldwide encyclopedia. Go ahead and move it if you wish. Sorry for the troubles. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, note, there still is no "trend" that I know of going on. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

What you're thinking of is Articles for Deletion. Most articles should go through it, however, certain articles qualify for speedy deletion and are therefore deleted outright. This article was one of the latter. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 01:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Bodo on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bodo. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Sorry to bother you with this. Somebody vandalized what I'd written, and the page was speedied because the vandalized version was nonsense. The original fellow was notable enough, I'd say - he was featured in an exhibition at the National Museum of African Art in Washington, DC, not too long ago. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I undeleted, as per request, that was my error. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much - sorry to trouble you. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Jennifer Brunner

I wish someone would have warned me before you deleted Jennifer Brunner. Deiz gave her article back to me after I provided my reason for needing it. As you can see from the old AfD, she's no longer just a candidate so the old rationale for deletion no longer applies. I want to put it back up, but I don't want it speedy-deleted again. How do I go about this? Can you put it back and do something that will stop it from being deleted? — coelacan talk — 02:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I will re-nominate this for AfD. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response! — coelacan talk — 03:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Freeform Five

I went ahead and undeleted this and reverted your edits de-linking it. This band appears to meet WP:MUSIC, if you disagree take it to AFD. Wickethewok 07:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I did not appreciate the undeletion of Freeform Five. At best it is improper to delete an article to mainspace without a WP:DRV. If you wanted to delete it without due process you should have undeleted to userspace and then moved to mainspace when it was properly attended to. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 07:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I was merely undoing your obviously incorrect A7 deletion. It would have been immediately overturned at WP:DRV. Why bother? More convenient for everyone this way. Wickethewok 07:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Process is there for a reason, if you feel so strongly, do nominate it. (to WP:DRV). Also, If you wanted to delete it without due process you should have undeleted to userspace and then moved to mainspace when it was properly attended to. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 08:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Your deletion was just as incorrect as my undeletion. There were obvious claims of notability including a chart ranking. Next time I'll apply at WP:DRV, though, just for you.  ;-) Wickethewok 08:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because my actions may have been incorrect, it does justify incorrect actions on your part. Ive done a fair bit of work in CSD and think I have a handle on it. If you disagree, then you can always use DRV, that is its purpose. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 08:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Minicom Image

I am curious as to why you deleted the Minicom Image from the Minicom page. Could you please explain? Kelly97 12:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The image was lacking the proper copyright tags. Therefore I deleted under one of our speedy deletion criteria. You may re-upload the image, as long as you have the correct copyright tagging. Here is another good read. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

River City People

I restored this article, because it asserted the group's notability (signed to EMI, one hit single, allmusic.com listing). I edited to remove the copyvio from the allmusic listing. NawlinWiki 20:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I did not appreciate the undeletion of River City People. At best it is improper to delete an article to mainspace without a WP:DRV. If you wanted to delete it without due process you should have undeleted to userspace and then moved to mainspace when it was properly attended to. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry -- I thought it was pretty clear that it satisfied WP:MUSIC, and the old version was only posted for about six minutes while I was editing. But from now on, I will do the editing before restoring in such situations. NawlinWiki 20:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Process is there for a reason, if you feel so strongly, do nominate it. (to WP:DRV). Also, If you wanted to delete it without due process you should have undeleted to userspace and then moved to mainspace when it was properly attended to. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

College Marketing

Hi there, contrary to what you wrote,[8] "incoherent stuff" is most certainly a speedy-delete criterion encompassed by G1 and A1. I do abhor the numbered abbreviations; first I can never remember them, and second we are not playing nomic. Unsuitable stuff needs to go, regardless if it is called "A1" or "incoherent material". Regards, Dr Zak 20:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks brother, for getting rid of it! Dr Zak 20:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Done, sorry for the error. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Lang Michener LLP

I'm curious as to why you deleted that article? Did you not read the comments on the talk page? It really doesn't qualify for deletion IMO under the criteria listed. Anchoress 20:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because it does not apply under the criteria listed does not mean it does not under other CSDs. Please see the deletion log for the reasoning. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 21:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Deleting something under the wrong criterion is unacceptable, although if another criterion applies I'm not uptight enough to insist on re-creation and re-deletion for process' sake. I do, however, disagree with the deletion summary, which quoted CSD G11. I'd like to formally request Eagle 101 come to Talk:Lang Michener LLP to discuss the matter. BigNate37_(T) 21:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Please note that I deleted per the same reason as the last deletion. The article has the same problem both ways you look at it. Please read our guidelines on this.—— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I disagree that it was blatant advertising, but I concede you are entitled to your opinion. For what it's worth, G4 doesn't apply to previously speedied articles. BigNate37_(T) 21:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Would you like me to put this whole thing on WP:AFD? In other words, I undelete the page, and let the AfD run its course? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

But the point is, the original editor had already posted to the talk page saying he wanted to improve it. And two other editors posted saying they would help. I think it was wrong of you to delete the article after we'd already committed to trying to improve the article. Anchoress 21:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Please read my comment on the DRV. I think that is the best course of action.—— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Please note: Any article which has been previously deleted that is recreated my at any time as recreation of deleted content/. No further reason is needed. That it was in contravention of WP:NPOV, WP:SPAM, WP:V, and WP:RS just compounds the problem. As well, the inclusion of other biased articles is not an indicator of this article's notability. ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 23:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Which version of G4 are you reading? This is exactly not what it says. Go read it before talking about it again. BigNate37_(T) 05:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

That does not pertain to CSD, it is a simple rule - if you recreate an article that has been deleted, it may be deleted as recreation of deleted content. If this persists, it may be protected against recreation ("salted", in Wikipedia parlance). Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 19:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Please note that there is a DRV going on. Comments would be welcome there as well. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

L-5 Sentinel

I created this page and in the time it took me to save the template to the time I populated it, it was flaged (probably correctly at the time) as empty. Yes, a edit conflict, but at the time I thought it wasn't anything to worry about....

I had added a lot of information to the page about this aircraft, but the "speedy deletion" flag stayed on as I didn't (and still don't) know the proper procedure for removing such a flag.

Is there any way to "undelete" this page (with the information that I had entered), so I don't have to attempt to re-reseatch it again? Thanks.... NDCompuGeek 21:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

What is the article? I can undelete if it looks ok to me. (you don't have the correct one listed above.) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe the exact name of the article is "L-5 Sentinel". (L-5 Sentinel) Sorry about the dash in the wrong spot and all.... (been trying to multitask a little too much lately, I think.....) 8^) NDCompuGeek 21:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Undeleted. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you! NDCompuGeek 21:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

'Nood

[9]. Please make sure you post the 1RR restriction to 'Nood's talk page. SchmuckyTheCat 00:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Done... thanks for telling me. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Nightmare of You

Hiya, you deleted Nightmare of You per WP:CSD#A7 - I, however, the original author, did not request for it to be deleted! I was reinstating a request I removed because I'm not supposed to remove speedy deletion requests as the original author of the article (instead use WP:HANGON and explain my reasons). I'd appreciate it if you could recreate the article. Thanks. Halo 06:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, CSD A7 is for things that fail to demonstrate the importance of the subject. If you can demonstrate that to me, I am willing to undelete. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 06:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, must have looked it incorrect. The band contains Brandon Reilly, formerly of The Movielife (an influential punk band) as well as Samuel Siegler formerly of Rival Schools, CIV (band), Glassjaw. They've also toured nationally and internationally (having toured the UK) as well as having supported several major bands (notably Fall Out Boy, won a major award (in the Yahoo Who's Next? competition). All of these fit well within the WP:MUSIC guidelines. Either way, I believe this shouldn't be deleted in this way - this should go through AFD if it's contested at all. -Halo 07:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hangon is not sert in stone, it does not mean the article will not be deleted if the admin by his or her discresion deems it to fit speedy deletion criteria. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 17:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

But I expressed in the talk all the reasons why it did not meet the speedy deletion criteria and it did meet WP:MUSIC (yay, policy), as I did above. I believe this is a notable band (I know of them, I'm planning to see them again in Feb 2006, and I'm on the other side of the Atlantic), and I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only contributor to the article. Either way, I'd appreciate this being undeleted at least so it can be thrown over to AFD, I'm just rather irked it was deleted in this way when, at least in my very humble opinion, they are notable, I explained my reasons fully and the speedy deletion criteria basically say not to delete if it's in any way controversial. -Halo 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Halo, the problem with policy is that it is open to interpretation, and while in your discersion it may not be CSD material, it may be in another's. I tend to trust Eagle's judgement since he has dealt with a wide breadth of CSDs, however there is always the option of him deleting it to your userspace so that you may improve it, so long as you realize if it just sits there it will be deleted per Wikipedia not being a free hosting service. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 19:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand that it is open to interpretation, but people make mistakes and although (IIRC - I obviously don't have access to it) the article wasn't very well sourced, the band /is/ notable and the article listed several reason why (that /do/ pass WP:MUSIC) and I have responded to requests to establish this notability, the original article wasn't overly crufty, and I just don't see how putting it back in my userspace would gain much. I think it's a perfectly fair request to ask for it to be undeleted even in it's current form tbh. This deletion, if nothing else, certainly breaks the intended spirit of WP:CSD#A7, which is (essentially) to delete spam and uncontroversial small local bands who clearly would never pass an AFD due to WP:MUSIC - this falls under neither. -Halo 19:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I am willing to undelete to userspace provided that someone is willing to do some sources on this band. See WP:CITE, and WP:RS. This will allow you to do what you think you need to do to make this band crystal clear that it passes WP:MUSIC and A7, you can do that with sources. Remember, anyone can say they won an award, but with no secondary sources to back it up, I can't be lead to believe that they actually won the award. There is no sourcing on this page other then two (2) links to the bands official page and the band's myspace page. Just remember that any band can lay claim to something. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why aren't you willing to put it straight onto main space, particularly when the main claim of notability is that it contains two members from popular bands, which are already shown by the MySpace link (see "Self-published sources in articles about themselves" in Wikipedia:Reliable_sources - seems to indicate that it's fine, when it's something simple and uncontroversial)? -Halo 20:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I have done so, I missed the point about two notable members. Please try to further improve the article. Please note that myspace is often not a WP:RS. Also if you are using it as a source, please cite it. Thanks. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou. I'd also like to point out for future references that a lack of references is NOT a good reason for speedy deletion (as per WP:SPEEDY), neither are hoaxes nor original research are themselves enough to fulfil the speedy criteria, both of which you, IMHO, implied above. Any of those and it should get through AFD to be deleted. -Halo 20:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Again realize that at my first glance I thought this was a CSD A7, I am sorry for my mistake. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:AE

I am afraid the allegations regarding single-party state, as posted at WP:AE, has never been substantiated. I don't agree that's a valid ground to impose any blocks or new terms. Furthermore, WP:AE is not a place to insert new penalties. It is a place for people to request for enforcement of those passed in the previous case. One more point to note, if you may not have already noticed, I have protested regarding procedures of the most recent case, which was brought up when I was under a long block from Wikipedia that I cannot even submit my statement. — Instantnood 07:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It is noted in the probation terms that the probation will be enforced by block and if you are disruptive, it is a breach of the probation. Therefore a block is not only acceptable but needed in light of your probation violations. The 1rr term is merely an extension of the probation terms; since you have been in violation of the probation the terms have been tightened. If you wish to object, you can at ArbCom, but I suspect they would have only been harsher; 1rr was a compromise between no new terms and the 0rr that was requested. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 15:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there any provision which allows introduction of new probation terms? Can penalties be imposed even when the allegation itself was never substantiated? — Instantnood 20:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Brandon Miller

Hi,

What was the content of the Brandon Miller article? It was deleted before, and I believe it was vandalized. It was about a NASCAR driver who was notable. Thanks! --D-Day ^{I'm all ears} 11:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It was deleted as recreation of deleted content, I believe. If you wish you may have it undeleted to your user space to improve upon it. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 15:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually the deletion log indicates I deleted this per CSD A7. Which states that I thought the article lacked any demonstration of importance. I can undelete to your page, but I doubt it is salvageable. The content of the page is one paragraph, and nothing to do with NASCAR at all (that I could see, and I am a fan of NASCAR, I think I would have spotted something about it). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Eagle, as the user states, it may have been vandalized. Can you at least check the revision history to see if that is the case? Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 20:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah wiz you were right... back in December 1. Well I will remember to try to check reversions back 4-5 revisions to make sure. (I normally check back 2-3). Again sorry for the hassle. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Just undelete and roll back the vandalism and she should be just as good as new. ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 20:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Already done. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I'll add it to a watchlist to ensure it doesn't happen again. Thanks again! --D-Day ^{I'm all ears} 23:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Barbara Biggs

You just recently deleted this article, though it's now back. I checked the criteria you deleted it as, but I can't tell if the creator has improved it since then. She here here? Barbara Biggs -WarthogDemon 01:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Now {{afd}}'d. —— Eagle 101 ^{(ask me for help)} 02:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Green and Golden Bell Frog protection

Hi Eagle,

I have removed the protection from the above article, as I wasn't sure you had realised it is on the main page. A main page, featured article should not be protected unless there is an unusually high level of vandalism, and I have seen much more than this. I have actually been surprised by how little vandalism it has been getting. I would normally consult you first, but being the TFA, it would take too long to figure this out behind the scences, all the while people cannot edit it. Editing the TFA is an important step for many newcomers. Thanks. --liquidGhoul 04:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes you are correct, I did not even notice that Green and Golden Bell Frog was the TFA! I saw the request on WP:RFPP, and acted as if it was any other normal page. Sorry about that. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 04:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I know it is contested, and I actually lie on the side of wanting some kind of protection for the articles, but it would require a software change for MediaWiki. So I am happy with it how it is for now. --liquidGhoul 04:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Ned Raggett on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ned Raggett. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. --Muchness 04:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Dealt with, that was my error. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 21:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Uncivil

I do not believe that I am being uncivil. Perhaps, wereI to take a step back, I would see your point of view. But, in my defense, there is a new editor who is pushing his POV in the Chabad-Lubavitch article and other articles, and who is reverting the product of previous consensus without using the talk page. I am not interested in an edit war. If a consensus comes out against me, I will bend to it. I just want there to be a proper consensus. However, I will not revert his latest edit, as it would be a violation of the three revert rule. Rather, I would like some administrator to intervene. --Meshulam 02:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, can you please take a step back. Remember that incivility by others is not an excuse to be uncivil to anther editor. If you are having an edit conflict, and you can't resolve it on your own, try bringing the issue to the mediation cabal. While not official by any means, these cabalists seem to have the art of dispute resolution down quite well. Cheers! —— Eagle 101 ^{(ask me for help)} 02:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The last word on the nine words

Let me see if I have this straight. 1) I add nine words to the WKBS-TV page; 2) Rollosmokes has a hairy conniption fit, insulting me in the process (a common reaction for this guy when someone dares edit "his" pages)); 3) I respond in kind, and 4) I get banned for "personal attacks"!

Boy, that's rich. Are you guys all on the same bowling team or something?

This has gone well beyong the WKBS-TV page; there's principle involved here, which I why I keep pursuing it.

I'm going to edit WKBS-TV one last time. The admins have a choice to make:

1) Leave it alone, or 2) Revert it yet again, which sends the message that if a user jumps up and down and waves his arms (and has the right friends), he can get his way.

Your choice, fellas. RMc 11:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

G4 deletion of Lost.eu

Please be aware that G4 deletions (reposted content) only apply when a page has been through a valid XfD deletion debate with a result of delete. Previous speedies and prods do not qualify for G4, though they may of course still qualify under the prior speedy criterion. In this case, that website still seems to be unremarkable (no external sources found on Google), so I'm not contesting the result, just your process. Be careful! Cheers. -- nae'blis 18:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for telling me of my error! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 20:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

My Talk Page This is the talk page of Eagle_101. I now have a linux distro installed!I respond to all comments here, as it becomes difficult to keep up with the volume otherwise; if I believe immediate notice is necessary, I may copy the response to your talk page. I am an admin on both the english wikipedia (here) and on the meta wiki. Be sure your request belongs here; most routine requests dealing with permissions (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser stuff) should go to a noticeboard rather than an individual talk page. Disputes between editors, especially content disputes, belong in formal dispute resolution, not here; if you raise them here, I'm just going to say "I don't get involved" and send you to dispute resolution, so save time and head there now. I archive obsessively, often several times a day; if you do not see a comment you left here, it has probably been archived, please look in my archives. Users are welcome to bring archived discussions back if they have additional comments. If you left a comment and didn't get a response from me, ninety-nine times out of one hundred, I was busy and forgot to answer; poke me, and I'll be sure to do it. However, if you left a comment that you expected would elicit an angry response, and instead received no response, then I probably didn't forget, I just didn't respond. I reserve the right to archive personal attacks, incivility, or canvassing separately and immediately. Severe instances may simply be deleted. Others are encouraged to help out and respond to posts here. Plenty of angry and clueless posts find their way here, and to my email; in the vast majority, I find that the writer has misunderstood some difficult aspect of Wikipedia. Though I may seem to have everything under control, I appreciate having others help out and back me up. I am a VandalProof moderator. If you have problems with VandalProof, please ask. If you came here because I removed a link that you posted onto Wikipedia. Please read and understand this first. Archives old stuff  •  March 2006  •  April 2006  •  May 2006  •  June 2006  •  July 2006  •  August 2006  •  September 2006  •  October 2006  •  November 2006  •  December 2006  •  January 2007  •  Febuary 2007  •  March 2007  •  April 2007  •  May 2007  •  June 2007  •  July 2007  •  August 2007  •  September 2007  •  October 2007  •  November 2007

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Arbitration clerk

Are you still interested in being an arbitration clerk? We're taking "trainees" (for lack of a better word) one at a time, and you're up next and welcome to start helping out if you want. There will be two new cases to open tomorrow, so it's a good time to start. The clerks are coordinated through Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Administration. We leave notes there about tasks that need doing, and whomever is free can sign up and then do it. The procedures are linked to that page as well, and another clerk will probably proofread anything you've done the first few times. If you have any questions, you can ask me or FloNight or Srikeit. Let me know if you've changed your mind; otherwise, keep an eye on the clerks administration page and welcome aboard. Thatcher131 00:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Senh Duong page

Hi, You deleted the page on Senh Duong citing Copyright infringement. Could you please explain what you mean by that? also under the wikipedia page for this action it says

“ When tagging a page for deletion under this criterion, a user should notify the page's creator using {{Nothanks-sd}} or a similar message. If the deleting administrator is notified of a plausible error, they should restore the content and, if a confirmation e-mail has not been received, follow the Wikipedia:Copyright problems procedure, blanking the article with the template. Some suspected copyright infringements that need to be dealt with are listed at Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations' I wasn't notified of this before the page was deleted. ”

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mhanagan (talk • contribs) 20:11, December 11, 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry about your not getting notified, that is the job of the tagger, not of the admin who goes to delete it. nevertheless. I did a undelete and listed at copyright problems to ensure there are no issues here. Hopefully we can get this problem straighted out. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 20:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedied article

Greetings, on Dec 4, at 14:02, IceCreamAntisocial tagged the article Peter Cusack as A7. At 15:22, one hour and twenty minutes later, Filll added a "hangon" tag. At 6:41, 5 December you deleted the article. Several articles link to this deleted article; the author is a newbie who added seven sentences and a source to the article after the A7 and Hangons were added (and admittedly didn't make much of a case on Talk for not deleting.) He has posted on my page for guidance on what he did not do that he should have done. Question: Did he not make a strong enough case for not speedy-ing the article, or did you not see the "hangon"? Would you have an objection to one of us undeleting the article so the author can expand and source the article fully? KillerChihuahua^?!? 10:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The best compromise in this situation would be to undelete it to the user's userspace, to give them time to improve. However, if they do not edit it actively after this, then it would be advisable to delete it - Wikipedia is not a free hosting service. Remember that hangon is not binding and that an administrator may still delete the article if they see fit. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 22:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect, WD, who are you addressing this comment to? KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

This may be usable in mainspace provided that someone show why this guy is important. I did see the hang on tag, but based on what I saw on the talk, chose to delete it. I am willing to undelete it to userspace if you give me the location (in user-space to undelete to. Cheers! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 06:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Concur that it may be mainspace worthy with improvements. I have undeleted the article and moved to User:Filll/Peter Cusack and left a note with Filll to let me know when he feels the article has been improved enough to move back to mainspace - which will give me a chance to check it for notability assertions, sourcing, etc. Satisfactory? KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Excellent! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 01:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikilogos

I've noticed you are a graphic designer, you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Logo Variations and on my talk page. Thanks!FrummerThanThou 05:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Um... I might not be the person to be asking here! I am certainly not a graphic designer. If you still think I am qualified for whatever reason let me know. P.S. Where did you find out about me being a graphic designer? (Please reply on my talk page thanks!)—— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 06:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw you have a nice user page. Didnt mean it lit. I'm looking for some good input into that proposal. Yes, I would very much appreciate your posative comments there and you're a sysop so hopefuly you can pull some strings. I would love to oversee this project. Ta! FrummerThanThou

Protection of Silver Chips Online

Sorry Eagle, I was analysing this one and didn't notice that you had already declined it. I have fully protected the article due to an edit war and blocked both users for violating the 3RR. Since you had given your "verdict" first, I'd like you to review this once again. I shall unprotect the article if you still find it unnecessary. Thank you. Regards.--Húsönd 00:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

No worries, leave it as fully protected if you think that is best. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 00:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

BOT - Regarding your recent protection of Manchester United F.C.:

You recently protected[10] this page but did not give a protection summary. If this is an actual (not deleted) article, talk, or project page, make sure that it is listed on WP:PP. VoABot will automatically list such protected pages only if there is a summary. Do not remove this notice until a day or so, otherwise it may get reposted. Thanks. VoABot 16:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks VoA Bot. I did mention my reasoning on WP:RFPP I just forgot to copy my reason to the protection summary. My bad! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 16:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Backchannelmedia Article

I'm attempting to create an article about a company that provides free industry news and online tools for television advertising DRTV Research. The company's website www.backchannelmedia.com recieves over 11,000 visitors a day and has over 172,705 pages indexed in the major search engines. I don't believe the article is spam as it contains valuable information about a company and will be a helpful resource for people looking for similiar companies and services. What can I do so it doesn't get deleted (before i even finish creating it)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Goonits (talk • contribs) 22:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

You may want to check and make sure that the company fits our guidelines on corporations, and check to make sure that it is verifiable. Any more help I can offer? Cheers! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 12:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

IRC spam project recruiting

I wanna apply for this, I've just installed Opera so, whats next? --Walter Humala - Emperor of West Wikipedia|wanna Talk? 01:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You need an IRC client. Some good examples are chatzilla, IceChat, mIRC (not-free), x-chat, and a bunch of others. Just download one and connect to the irc.freenode.net network. Once on that network join the #wikipedia-spam and #wikipedia-spam-t channels. If you need more help feel free to ask... but once I get you on IRC, helping you will be really easy. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 05:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Novels InCompleteInfobox list

I know you are busy but - is there any chance of this re-run. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Any news :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 11:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes... I cannot get the bot to complete its run on this internet connection. It needs about 3 hours to complete. I will need to wait ~1 week until I move locations. I will have a better (more constant) internet connection to do the bot run. I will defiantly look into getting it so anyone can do the run. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 11:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the update - I am aware you are doing a lot - just need to ensure we get going on this again "sometime". :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 12:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh Kevinalewis, I have tried. Problem is that the bot keeps getting disconnected before it completes its run. So out of the 2 times I have tried I have gotten no results, because the bot stores the results as it goes along, and outputs it all at the end. When I get to my (more stable) connection, I will be able to run this bot with no problems at all. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 12:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Steve Platt

The article on the activist/comedian Steve Platt was not completed and already showed its significance. A peer of Steve Platt tagged it for speedy deletion (in itself an act of vandalism) and subsequently the article was deleted. I ask the Wikipedia administration to re-post the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.176.23.138 (talk • contribs) 05:07, December 14, 2006 (UTC)

I deleted your article as a speedy deletion under criteria A7. That means that the article does not demonstrate the importance of the subject. You can read more about speedy deletions at A7. If you believe the article didn't meet the criteria, please feel free to list it on Deletion Review. Yours, —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 02:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)."

Semi-protection of Chinese_River_Dolphin

Thank you. Happy holidays. Xiner 02:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Cheers! and happy holidays as well! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 02:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Iktimal Hage-Ali

Why did you speedily delete Iktimal Hage-Ali under A7? She has been the subject of significant media coverage in reputable media. Also, if possible, can you undelete any edit history that didn't violate copyright? Thanks, Andjam 02:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The article did not show that at the time I did the deletion. Now the article looks just fine, though I do wonder about that "current events" header on a biography. Otherwise good work has been done on that to assert that it fits CSD A7 —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 02:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

About restoring non-copyvio versions, I am having a hard time figuring out which versions are not copyvio. (I don't know if all or none of them are). Perhaps a consultation with the other admin is in order? —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 02:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Mass reversion

Please explain why you are mass reverting a users edits (which apparently are in good faith) with no edit summary? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

They are spam redirects. 250+ spam redirects. ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 00:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

They external link formatting (linking to a websites article) don't appear to be spam to me at all; It appears Eagle 101 has gone through every recent contribution and reverted them. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 00:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for anything else, but the 250+ redirects the user made are unacceptable. Glen already warned them about these, and they persisted. Therefore they are being rolled back. ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality)} 00:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I may have gone back to far in my reverts. If you can help me find where I went to far, let me know, and I will undo myself. Cheers! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 00:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I undid everything, except for the redirects. I am sorry for my error, and thanks for letting me know. :( —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 00:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protection of main page articles

Thanks for the note; I'll try to jump back in. John Broughton | Talk 02:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

For you

		The Golden Wiki Award
		Honesty is defined in Wiktionary as being in good faith, without malice, fair, and unbiased. In your time on Wikipedia, you may have made your mistakes, but you strive for excellence and fairness. In honour of your fairness and integrity, its is my honour to award you with this Golden Wiki Award. ✎ Peter M Dodge aka "Wiz" (Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality) 23:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense Humor Magazine

Hi- You deleted our entry for "Nonsense Humor Magazine" on Dec 8., and while we disagree with the decision, we accept the fact that you guys just aren't going to change your mind on this one (no matter how much solid, supporting evidence we've brought up during deletion review, but I digress). So, politely and sincerely, I'd like to ask if I could have a copy of the text of the entry when it was last posted. We have purchased www.nonsensehumormagazine.com and plan to put the history of the magazine up on there (i.e. this is not a transparent request for text where it will wind up reposted to wikipedia 10 minutes later). The most recent version of the entry that was on wikipedia was the most detailed version of the history--mirror copies at answer.com, etc., don't reflect the extensive updating that had gone on in late November. So having the most recent version of the entry would be a huge help in getting the dotcom version of our history off the ground. Your assistance with this would be greatly appreciated; if you're not the right person for me to ask about it, please do me the favor of pointing me in the right direction. Thanks. Toomuchjoy 16:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The last version did not contian very much. but a copy of it is at User:Toomuchjoy/Nonsense Humor Magazine. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 19:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow--that's at least a thousand words short of what it was.... is there any way to somehow access what was there? Thanks for your help with this.

Toomuchjoy 21:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

This is bigger, though most of it is uncited (hence why it shrank) User:Toomuchjoy/Nonsense Humor Magazine/2. Cheers!—— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 21:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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I take issue with your comment here. Don't you know that aggressive warnings against established contributors are considered incivil? If Dragon presents you with awards above, it does not make him immune to criticism. Please look objectively at the contributions of your buddies before approving their behaviour in the future. Wikipedia is not a party of friends. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 08:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)