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Second Annual WikiNYC Picnic

Greetings! You are invited to attend the second annual New York picnic on August 24! This year, it will be taking place in the Long Meadow of Prospect Park in Brooklyn. If you plan on coming, please sign up and be sure to bring something! Please be sure to come!
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AfD nomination of Mister C's

I have nominated Mister C's, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mister C's. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 16:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Omaha

Well, I was born in Omaha and raised just outside (at the time) Omaha (76th and Military Drive--which I gather now has some other name) and went to Benson High. But I have not lived there since I left for college in 1962 so my information stops around that date. Sorry. Hmains (talk) 21:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Timeline

I'm happy with the transfer now that RH has clarified the position about cross references. Would you do the honours please ? (I don't know how !). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veraguinne (talk • contribs) 08:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for the move; although having explored the 'move' page, I find that even I am capable of executing it ! SJB (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• Adam, we had a little exchange earlier about incorporating Montessori. Now that I've started researching the UN, I'm delighted to find that her and Paiget's roles have emerged.SJB (talk) 12:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks very much for adding the images - they make a world of difference. I hope to add more when I've tracked down the base data. There are more surprises in the UN/UNESCO story. SJB (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

• "Another piece to uncover is the connection between phrenology and child development, and the effects of those findings on children's rights". I'm afraid I have no knowledge of this. Could you give me some background please? SJB (talk) 10:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey there on www.blackpast.org

Hi - Thanks, I was wondering where you were. Thanks for the recommendation on the website - I think I've followed you there before with some of your articles. Yes, Taylor's book looks perfect for the Omaha articles, and I'm trying to explore it more. Will use it for the NHL nominations as well. I've got them drafted and have to add footnotes. Finally downloaded a copy of the Assessment Study from the National Park Service site, and it's quite interesting. PS - I've been invited to be on the Advisory Board of a new non-profit, the Red River Heritage Association (2007), which wants to create an archives and museum to encourage research in Reconstruction history in the Red River area and Louisiana. It will be based at Colfax, LA, site of a notorious massacre in 1873 that was the subject of two new books last year. Should be fun - who knows. (And this came about through working on wikipedia!)--Parkwells (talk) 11:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Quintard Taylor's comparison of western cities

Was reading more of his work online - both the frontier and his book on Seattle's Central District, which had some comparison numbers of blacks in western cities in the early decades of the 20th c. One reason for Omaha's prominence was because it rated among the western cities with the largest black populations - making it a required stop for musicians, political leaders, etc. It's really something to see the various migration patterns ebb and flow. People are on the move so much in this country.--Parkwells (talk) 12:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Omaha

I had definitely noticed the statistics about poverty in Omaha. It reminded me of articles I'd read by William Julius Wilson about Chicago - that with civil rights legislation, middle-class and professional blacks left the Black Belt; with deindustrialization, jobs left; and those people left behind were ever more poor and dysfunctional, without local role models for living different lives. Population went down, so some of the community businesses couldn't survive, and the community fell apart. (This had happened in Philadelphia, too.) Obviously, everyone didn't leave in either case, but many did, those who found a place in the larger culture, with some of those remaining becoming even more isolated from the larger society, in some cases, as if they were within a hyper Southern culture. Thanks for the article, too - I've read other material about Southern violence and its transportation to other cities during major migrations. David Hackett Fischer, in Albion's Seed, had maps showing rates of homicides - high rates were associated with southern culture, both white and black; with much lower rates of homicide in the North. He also had maps showing the extension of cultures in broad bands across the country, with political voting quite consistent (another representation of culture) into the 1960s. It's well worth a look. Society keeps changing, but history gives insight.--Parkwells (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Omaha Belt Railway

The Omaha Belt Railway Company was incorporated in 1883; its property was sold to the MP in 1910. The MP then apparently called it the Omaha Belt Line. Thinking about it, it does make sense where it is, but should be clearer about the name. --NE2 04:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Mildred Brown, Omaha

She has been posthumously inducted into the Nebraska Journalism Hall of Fame (2007) and the newly instituted Omaha Press Club Journalism of Excellence Hall of Fame (2008). I feel as if you've introduced me to these inspiring people by inviting me into your Omaha work. Just wanted you to know about new honors that have come to Mildred Brown.--Parkwells (talk) 20:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Kutak Rock

Hi Freechild, thanks for the shout-out. One of the tasks I've taken up lately is trying to improve Wikipedia's coverage of law firms, which isn't easy since too many people here think that all articles on businesses should be deleted. Anyway, I wrote the page on Kutak Rock because it is a large law firm with a national presence. I also created this monstrosity, and while I neither have the time nor the inclination to write articles for all the red links on there, I do plan on adding a few more firms of note.

Anyway, thanks again...it's always nice to see that someone appreciates my work. --Eastlaw (talk) 05:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Omaha, Nebraska

Thanks for the invite. I'm trying to look at it with fresh eyes and think of the article overall. You've done a great job.--Parkwells (talk) 15:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Have been through once and will take another look - probably need to print it out to see the whole thing.--Parkwells (talk) 13:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Omaha, Nebraska

Hi Freechild - Well! they seemed rather harsh. I probably won't be able to do much this week because of getting ready for an extended trip, but should be able to look at it again next week. I'll print it out and try to look/work on it overall in view of their comments. Will look at some other city articles, too, for comparison.- Linda

Talk:AmeriCorps

Hi. Thanks for defending the criticism section in the AmeriCorps article. I made a comment at Talk:AmeriCorps. Grundle2600 (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Kansas, Nebraska and Omaha Railway

Can you give more information about this? There does not appear to have been a railroad with that name, but I may be able to figure out what it's supposed to be with more information. --NE2 22:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I found the reference you used; it says that it was "graded from a point in southwestern Kansas to the Nebraska line", and only proposed beyond to Omaha. I'm still trying to figure out what it was. --NE2 23:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

If you're interested, I made a list of major railroads into Omaha at Template talk:Omaha Railroads. --NE2 05:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Obviously not all of the renamings would be included, but it seems like a good idea. --NE2 06:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The deletion tag has been removed. Maybe you can request deletion ({{db-self}}) as the primary editor of the article? By the way, I believe the book was talking about the Republican Valley, Kansas and Southwestern Railroad, which built from Republican City (on the Burlington and Missouri River Railroad, which included connections to Omaha [1][2]) to Oberlin in the mid-1880s. It's now part of the Nebraska Kansas Colorado Railway after BNSF sold it off in the 1990s. --NE2 09:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kansas, Nebraska and Omaha Railway --NE2 19:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Omaha, Nebraska (third section)

I like the sentence at the top of your userpage :-)

According to the standard layout, population and the Demographics section are supposed to be referenced to Census Bureau data. This, of course, procludes unreferenced data (nothing wrong with referencing Census estimates, as you can see on articles such as Tolleson, Arizona), but it also means that we shouldn't use non-Census sources. The only bits that I deleted in this edit, other than unreferenced estimates, were links to various non-Census Bureau sources, apparently being used to cite the Demographics section: but all the data in Demographics is directly referenced by the {{GR|2}} in the first sentence of the first paragraph (As of the [[census]]{{GR|2}} of 2000, there were...), so there's no need to list other sources, especially as it makes it seem as if those websites are the source for the Census Bureau data. Nyttend (talk) 22:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikis Take Manhattan

Wikis Take Manhattan Next: Saturday September 27

WHAT Wikis Take Manhattan is a scavenger hunt and free content photography contest aimed at illustrating Wikipedia and StreetsWiki articles covering sites and street features in Manhattan and across the five boroughs of New York City. The event is based on last year's Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, and has evolved to include StreetsWiki this year as well.

LAST YEAR'S EVENT

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Spring 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
• Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (our cool gallery)

WINNINGS? Prizes include a dinner for three with Wikipedia creator Jimmy Wales at Pure Food & Wine, gift certificates to Bicycle Habitiat and the LimeWire Store, and more!

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, September 27th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's West Village office. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:

• Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project

349 W. 12th St. #3

Between Greenwich & Washington Streets

By the 14th St./8th Ave. ACE/L stop

FOR UPDATES

Check out:

• Wikis Take Manhattan main website

This will have a posting if the event is delayed due to weather or other exigency.

Thanks,

Pharos

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Your GA nomination of Omaha, Nebraska

The article Omaha, Nebraska you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Omaha, Nebraska for things needed to be addressed. SriMesh | talk 02:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe the requests of your review have been met. • Freechild'sup? 12:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I have place many strike throughs on the article, will re read again for the flow of the article re the history what not point. There were a few minor tweaks missing, which could still use a strike through. Tis a large improvement already IMHO. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 05:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Some references could not be accessed, fix these, and the few points remaining under GA, and the next step would be to take the article off hold. Good work on the article BTW!!! Kind Regards.SriMesh | talk 00:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. I added more strike throughs on the GA wish list...Dr Cash, has added one more point, which I missed, regarding media. Dr. Cash has done a few more GA reviews than I, if you can also meet his point, I think you will be good to go. You have done a lot of work on the article. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 23:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Me again. Awesome expansion to media. Plop a fair use rationale template on the new added image for use in this article. The refs work out. Kind Regards again...SriMesh | talk 05:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Omaha, Nebraska

The article Omaha, Nebraska you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Omaha, Nebraska for eventual comments about the article. Well done! SriMesh | talk 01:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

disambiguation rules

Hey, i saw your edit to Kelly House disambiguation page, adding the bluelink to the list of NRHPs in Nebraska, for the George H. Kelly House entry. I appreciate you're trying to help, but actually there are kinda odd rules for disambiguation pages (somewhat covered in wp:MOSDAB and also by practices of WikiProject Disambiguation), in which the requirement is to have exactly one bluelink per entry. Since there is an article for George H. Kelly House already, the explanation that it is NRHP-listed should not be linked, by these rules. These weird rules were discussed, kinda ad nauseum, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#what is wp:NRHP doing wrong RE disambiguation?.

So, anyhow, please don't mind, but i will revert your edit there. Please feel free to discuss further, if the discussion is not clear (which it isn't for normal people :) ) or if you just feel like it. Cheers, doncram (talk) 05:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Americorps

I finally saw your responses to the Americorps page issues; I don't think we actually have any disagreement between us. Thanks for following up.

Rob Shepard (talk) 05:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the invite to Wikiproject Omaha. I will be able to contribute as much as I'm able to to this project. Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 18:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Gripe water improvements

Hi! Thanks for fixing up the gripe water article. I ran across it somehow one day, and I've been watching it since I noticed that it gets spammed regularly, but I wasn't sure quite how to fix it after the last few edits. Glad to see that it looks a lot better now. Dreamyshade (talk) 19:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: You are invited!

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday November 16th, Columbia University area Last: 6/01/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, finalize and approve bylaws, interact with representatives from the Software Freedom Law Center, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the June meeting's minutes and the September meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikis Take Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wikipedia Loves Art! bonanza, being planned with the Brooklyn Museum for February.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

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First National Business Park

Good job! I think the size of the annexation is what might make it notable. Not sure, but it's a lot better than it was -- thanks for that. StarM 04:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Timeline of children's rights

Thanks for fixing formatting. RashersTierney (talk) 14:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hey Freechild, thanks for the welcome back. I may not be able to work on Wikipedia as much as in the last year, but always enjoy working with you. Hope all is well - am trying to get back to the NHL project, as I was in St. Louis helping some friends. Met some good people there and enjoyed seeing the great Mississippi and Missouri rivers, old French colonial towns and another part of the country.--Parkwells (talk) 15:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

what is c/e and cats? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.64.227 (talk) 01:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Reservations on county templates

A few reservations are treated rather like CDPs, although the only ones I can think of are in New York: Onondaga, Tonawanda, Cattaraugus, Allegany, and Oil Springs. Judging by a Census Bureau map, this is done because of New York's local government format: if you look at the Cattaraugus reservation on the middle of PDF page 11, you'll see that the reservation is entirely outside of the towns — see Administrative divisions of New York if you're not familiar with the local government terminology, which is different from that of Nebraska. Because townships etc. can exist in Nebraska's reservations (see the Santee reservation in Knox County, here), the reservation isn't the only government.

All this is to say: the Census Bureau seems not to consider reservations in general because there's non-reservation government as well, with New York being an exception because there is no non-reservation government in those areas. I don't think that there's really a need to include the reservations on the county templates in states such as New York, as the templates are meant to include just governments established by the state (cities, villages, and townships) plus unincorporated communities, whether census-designated, such as Harrisburg or not, such as Ashford; and reservations really aren't any of those. Essentially, reservations aren't CDPs, because they're not census-designated.

Am I answering your question, or is this confusing you? Please tell me either way. Nyttend (talk) 17:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Wondering if I could weigh in a little. Reservations are treated separately from other political subdivisions, and exist primarily due to treaties. More importantly, Indian reservations are not considered part of any county. For example, Cheyenne River Indian Reservation in South Dakota includes Ziebach and Dewey Counties, but there are separate county governments. The Standing Rock Indian Reservation is in two states. Asseparate, sovereign political entities they are more equal in nature to the individual U.S. states than anything else. Implying a reservation is subordinate to a county would be offensive to many American Indians. From a geographic standpoint, you could expand the templates to provide links to nearby reservations, but it should be done in a manner that does not imply the reservation is "part of the county." A reservation template based off the county templates would be a good alternative. Cross posting this on Nyttend's page as well.DCmacnut<> 21:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting that the reservations are subordinate to counties; but surely they're within counties. Except for independent cities and the Unorganized Borough in Alaska, everywhere in the 50 states is within a county. As far as the subsets, related to New York: consider the Passamaquoddy Reservation in northern Franklin County and western Somerset County in northern Maine, near the Canadian border — they're not treated separately by the Census Bureau, and nor is the Bad River Reservation in northern Ashland County, Wisconsin. Therefore, I'm convinced that the Census Bureau's special treatment of these New York reservations is unique: in a way, they are Census-designated somewhat. Nyttend (talk) 00:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Totem poles

Totem poles are not religious in nature, I had to remove your WP:Religion placement, it doesn't belong there.Skookum1 (talk) 01:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Native American reservations in Nebraska

Hi Freechild - This is certainly an interesting topic, and I'm even more fascinated after having been in Missouri. Would like to do some more traveling out there. I wonder, though, if creating a category for "former reservations" isn't too restrictive, or is it a sub-category? Someone may be trying to find out info but not know that a particular reservation was a former one. Will you have an easy way to locate them all? Their courses demonstrate much history.--Parkwells (talk) 15:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Enos Lowe

This 1860 source has Jesse as mayor on November 3, 1857. This 1889 source says Jesse was elected as the first Mayor of Omaha in 1857. This 1883 source talks about Jesse being Mayor in 1859. This 2008 source says Enos was the first Mayor. However, the city was platted in 1853 and it seems likely that Enos could have been Mayor after the 1853 platting and before November 3, 1857. If you look at the Nebraska History - Page 521 resource on the first Mayor here, It reads "He later was employed in the office of his brother Dr. Enos Lowe, receiver of the Council Bluffs Land Office. He was the first mayor of Omaha." That could be misread to establish that Enos was the first mayor of Omaha. Most of the sources say it was Jesse, but someone had to be in charge between 1853 and 1857. Omaha was Founded in 1854 but only incorporated in 1857. Jesse likely was the first Mayor of the incorporated Omaha. -- Suntag ☼ 16:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Canadian Children's Rights Council

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DYK for Enos Lowe

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Omaha nomination

Fixed my comments as correctly requested. Hmains (talk) 17:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Template: Native Americans in Nebraska

Hi Freechild - Sorry for my delay - your template is definitely useful. Looks great!--Parkwells (talk) 03:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

John Lewis Childs

Hi, You create this article about a year ago with an infobox with inconsistent dates of birth in the birth and death sections. Do you have the source for the birthdate so that the dates can be entered correctly? noq (talk) 11:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Omaha, Nebraska

I'm not sure why you closed this FAC today. Editing has been ongoing, and with the invasion of two holidays its disappointing that you have chosen to dismiss the efforts involved. Your reply is appreciated. • Freechild'sup? 06:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Omaha, Nebraska/archive2 had been running longer than two weeks without gaining any Support. When the page is slow, I'm able to let FACs run longer, but when the page is backlogged, two weeks with no support is a typical close. I'm sorry you had the impression that I dismissed the efforts; actually, I look for the best way forward for each FAC. In this case, because of the backlog at FAC (possibly due to the holidays), it was becoming unlikely that the FAC would gain support. A fresh start in a week or so, after the holidays have settled, will likely give the article its best shot at getting reviewers' attention. Good luck, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation - I appreciate it. • Freechild'sup? 02:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Better late than never?

Happy New Year! Pdfpdf (talk) 06:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stereotypes of white people

FYI, I've reverted the article to an older version of the article, but am asking for input on whether or not that version should be kept.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 02:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I g4'd it.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 02:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Call me wishy washy

Ok, I was asked about deleting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stereotypes of white people per G4 because the article up for nom was a somewhat different nom and the august 27th version I had reverted to was not the same article nominated on August 28th. I've reopened the debate and invite you to put in your two cents concerning the reverted to version. The version as of Jan 3 was a clear G10.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 04:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice rewording

You did a good job reworking the "Stereotypes" article; I wanted to let you know that I noticed it. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 16:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Rather, I still think -- in general-- that all such articles (apparently, there's a whole template of them) should be understood within the wider framework of prejudice/stereotyping/race etc. That discussion, however, should be held outside of AfD, and all such articles should be considered as a body of work. You did, regardless, improve the article quite significantly; and I was impressed. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Museums in Omaha

Thanks for the compliments. I am working on making a complete List of museums in Nebraska, and I will continue to update any more museums in Omaha that I find that have existing articles. Jllm06 (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Article Rescue Barnstar - Stereotypes of White People

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded for rewriting Stereotypes of white people, saving it from deletion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You're invited!

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday January 18th, Columbia University area Last: 11/01/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, look at our approval by the Chapters Committee, develop ideas for chapter projects at museums and libraries throughout our region, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the November meeting's minutes and the December mini-meetup's minutes).

We'll make preparations for our exciting museum photography Wikipedia Loves Art! February bonanza (on Flickr, on Facebook) with Shelley from the Brooklyn Museum and Alex from the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

We'll also be collecting folks to join our little Wikipedia Takes the Subway adventure which will be held the day after the meeting.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and generally enjoy ourselves and kick back.

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Proposed deletion of Greater Omaha Chamber of Commerce

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if you can expand it, please just remove the prod tag DGG (talk) 05:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Congrats and article on stereotypes

Hi Freechild - Thanks for the congrats. I seem to have found some new topic areas for wikipedia, especially 19th c. African American history, and have had fun writing my own articles for a change. I have misgivings on the article on stereotypes - where do you begin and end? Every group had stereotypes about every other group historically - English against French, French v. German, English v. Irish, Germans v. Poles, northern Europeans v. southern Europeans, northern Italians v. southern Italians, especially Sicilians, aside from Europeans v. Arabs or Asians, or either of those groups against everyone else. It seems to be the human condition. They're not considering that. Even US history is not as binary as people seem to think. Mostly I don't feel like working on such contentious stuff; people are so sure of what they "know". I'd rather write about people who built up institutions and created something, helped people.--Parkwells (talk) 15:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Stereotypes

Hi Freechild - I agree on the principle of the matter - but was amazed to discover there was an article on "Stereotypes of African Americans". The one on white people might be useful if it goes further in the vein you started - using studies, and also historical data. Every group in numbers large enough to be competitive was branded with stereotypes, and they had their own for every other group. That's what people need to see - it was not just black and white. And newer immigrants were some of the ones who were most racist in big cities in the late 19th and early 20th c., because they were competing most fiercely with African Americans. In Omaha, Chicago, NY and other places, for instance, it was ethnic Irish who attacked blacks in the early 20th c. They had established their own territories, as did later groups such as Italians and Poles. So it would really be worth while for people to consider the complexities.--Parkwells (talk) 12:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Categorization

Hi Freechild - All these areas can be double-edged swords. I can see why people say it shouldn't matter; then you realize that without distinction, some group's contributions had become (or become) invisible (and people revert to stereotypes, assuming "none" of one group or another does such and such, although that should be less now.) Maybe it's better not to have individuals identified by ethnic origin (unless it matters to their art, etc.) but to ensure that group histories are well-developed. There does not seem to be a perfect solution. If you identify people, you single them out; if you don't identify, they can (not necessarily) get lost. What the identification really works against are all the mixtures that most Americans are and continue to become. At some point, people don't know "what" they are, except what's most visible. My sister's niece has Swedish, Polish Catholic and Polish Jewish ancestry, and is blonde and blue-eyed. She married a dark-eyed, dark-haired man who is of all Italian descent. Their young children are blond and blue-eyed (his mother had hazel eyes, so he clearly had the recessive gene), but there is much more of the ethnic Italian family around than Dina's, so who knows "how" the kids will identify? Maybe they'll just get to be American. But it shows how absurd "classification" can get in 3 generations. The recent decades' insistence on ethnic identification almost tries to unravel that.--Parkwells (talk) 14:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Archiving a talk page

Hi again - Thanks for the hint. I know it's something I need to take the time to do.--Parkwells (talk) 14:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Harry Haywood

Hi Freechild - You had some interest in Harry Haywood's being radicalized in Omaha, but I came across data that said his family left there in 1913 for Minneapolis, then for Chicago in 1915. He was affected by their riot in 1919, as well as his older brother Otto who invited him into the African Blood Brotherhood. Sources are at the Haywood article.--Parkwells (talk) 15:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

re: Black president (your message on my talk)

the article looks alot better, i have added (United States) to the article name, and started a thread about the rewrite on the article talk page. pls see Talk:Black president (United States)#19 January 2009 (MLK day) article rewrite — Outsider80^(User0529) (talk) 16:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[Black president]]

Hi Freechild - I'm suspicious of an article based on someone using sources as loosely as this - "so and so's mother may have been black because her name was Moore, which in Europe came from Moor." It also happens to be a longstanding Scots-English-Irish name related to natural features of moors in the landscape, which he could have easily found out. Also he said Harding went to Iberia College, founded for fugitive slaves. Ohio Central College was founded by the Presbyterian Church and was open to students of all races (as was [[Oberlin College, founded in the 1830s, with Charles Henry Langston as one of the first black students, but you wouldn't claim all alumni were black because of that.) If those two examples are representative of the Emporia professor's research standards in claiming "blackness" for earlier presidents, I think it is far below Wikipedia standards for reliability of sources.--Parkwells (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with this comment - the paragraph referring to that professor's work is full of dubious assertions - unsupported by anything here, and therefore not suitable for an encyclopedia article. Tvoz/talk 18:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

thanks foryour work on

blak prez. it looks real good. Headlikeawhole (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Black president

I agree the significance and meaning of a black president in the US, in terms of history and culture, is much more important than current attempts to try to trace certain presidents' ancestries. What was quoted in these articles seems to be rather loose history, sometimes founded on opponents' rumors. Just because some people still want to claim Obama is Muslim, does not mean he is. (And we know he is not.)--Parkwells (talk) 20:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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Black president

Hi Freechild - You got me hooked after all! It is an interesting topic - but I still think perhaps the relatively recent claims of mixed ancestry of early presidents should go after the real political candidacies, and more discussion of why it's important. I added more information to clarify real candidates - Chisholm and Jackson, and note that Abernathy and Powell didn't want the nomination, but someone took that out. They also removed work I'd done on a lead as "too essayistic". I was planning to look for more cites - I think the lead is too short and the topic is hard to corral for an encyclopedia.--Parkwells (talk) 22:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Black prez

Thanks for your thanks, Freechild. It's always good to work with you. I wasn't reading well - most of my changes are in there.--Parkwells (talk) 22:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Black prez

Hi Freechild - I think your idea is still more important than the way the article is evolving as a list of 20th c. comedy routines or movies with black presidents. Not sure if we'll get there. I think some of the claims by Terrell and others needed comment. When you read their source articles, they sound as if they have rather flimsy grounds. A review of the Internet shows people trading the rumors happily, with more distortion as it goes along - someone claiming a Wikipedia article on Ida Elizabeth Stover said the National Archives confirmed she was black (nothing of the kind there) and that was verified by answers.com. Pretty sad if that is what people think makes reliability.--Parkwells (talk) 15:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Black prez

So it continues. Here's another version of Vaughn's article (http://www.voice-online.co.uk/content.php?show=13698) - each time the sound of "the evidence" gets more conclusive at the same time as the claims become less valid. Based on more substantive historical sources, the only one that might be true is for Warren Harding, which he himself said was a possibility. People like these stories of purported black ancestry, so will repeat them although most historians do not support them. It's curious to see and no doubt influenced by the controversy about Hemings and Jefferson.--Parkwells (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Your comment

You're probably right - the fact that it was this incredibly special Inauguration Day was part of why I thought the article should be more than a listing of rumor and movies and TV shows. I think history (and wikipedia) deserves our best efforts. We've simplified the article and I'll watch it.--Parkwells (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Rebirth

I just wanted to let you know that the deleted article has been reborn as Black presidential candidates in the United States and Black president in popular culture of the United States. Thank you for your comment and encouragement. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Also: African-American heritage of United States presidents, which needs work... ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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African American candidates for president of the United States

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Tourism in Omaha

Hello. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. The diff you show on my talk page has 9 intermediate revisions. My diff is here and is just a minor update of one link. Station1 (talk) 05:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Peer Review request

Hey Freechild, I saw you said you are interested in Washington related articles on the WikiProject Cities page. Just wanted to let you know you could help if you wanted by peer reviewing the Spokane, Washington article. Anon134 (talk) 07:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Define Vandalism...

Just complaining about the VN-num. What exactally IS vandalism? At least when pretaining to a userpage. Could one not argue that you, yourself, vandalize the userpage by adding in unreferenced information? And if that is not so, why would the changes of others be considered vandalism? If neither party has a creditable source, and Original Research is prohibited, then any submission is equally invalid.

This, of course, is hinging on the idea that you don't own the userpage associated with your account and that all wikipedia users are welcome to improve upon any article, including userpages, as they see fit. (Strange that the 3RVR rule excludes revert limitations on userpages [or was that usertalk pages?] "technically" allowing for a no foul revert war over another's userpage [given you accept my notion of vandalism])

Don't actually reply though, I'm liable to forget I ever asked this question, I just like making food for thought... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.238.178.124 (talk) 04:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I am really impressed by your article on Transportation in Omaha. Thank you for the effort. I am a volunteer for the Omaha Streetcar Commission and appreciate you linking our page in. If you would like to exchange mail. please feel free to contact me: ssidner at yahoo.com. TooTallSid (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

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City of Omaha website

Hey. Just in case you miss the message on the Omaha talk page...Are images from the City of Omaha's website considered fair-use as it is a government-type website? There is an image from Mike Fahey here. If it is, I can add that photo. Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Good articles-DLR Group

You might want to take another look at this article you made last year; it is not formatted right, which is why I was surprised to see the Good articles thing on your page; must be your like me and you've created so many articles you can't keep track. Daniel Christensen (talk) 18:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, how does that vandalism thing on your page work? Do you have to change the count manually, or does it detect vandalism itself? Daniel Christensen (talk) 18:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Midtown, Nebraska

Sorry about that, though I don't think someone who originally thought the unadorned name suitable here is in any position to call any rename "ridiculous". Johnbod (talk) 11:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I certainly looked at the article, but merely misread the location. For all I know Midtown Nebraska is a bustling metropolis, well by Nebraska standards anyway. What is ridiculous is thinking that any such very common name belonging to a building in Nebraska does not need a disamed title. And putting it in the Byzantine architecture category, which is how I came by it. Johnbod (talk) 13:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Black school

Hey, Freechild, good to hear from you. Haven't had a chance to do much on that yet - a difficult topic unless you try to define it more narrowly. I know Chicago also had an outstanding black high school, and there may have been others in those late 19th c. cities that attracted highly talented teachers. Something I've been meaning to look at was that Columbia University seemed to have a special relationship with new African-American teachers. Several women who were founders of an early sorority at Howard U. all went to Columbia during the summer to complete master's programs, in the early 20th c., so there must have been something special. They tended to teach in northern cities after that, even if they had come from the South (that was where I came across material about Chicago, for instance.)--Parkwells (talk) 20:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

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History of Native Americans

Hi Freechild - We had exchanged some thoughts about Native American identity issues, and urban Indians. I thought you might be interested in this book by historian Steven Conn: History's Shadow: Native Americans and Historical Consciousness in the 19th Century. It's an intellectual history of the study of Native American history and culture, development of anthropology, issues related to Europe, how Americans developed their concept of Native American "timelessness", etc. Really interesting. He has a new book coming out about the role of museums and issues related to cultural patrimony and the NAGRPA Act (grave protection and repatriation).--Parkwells (talk) 18:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Native American history

This is how it appeared after my disam edit. Looks like it was caused by a malfunctioning bot. See this. the bot was changing the cats due to a CfD vote from October 2008 but that isn't the change it was supposed to make, it appears. Darn odd. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 11:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

CCRC

I'm quite surprised to see an experienced editor make this change for the following reasons:

• Article creation does not imply ownership in any way
• It removed a statement sourced to an academic book, the most reliable sources we have, and that ideally all pages should be built on
• It makes the page sound like an advertisement ("Providing current news on Canadian children's rights issues..."
• It consistently uses a long form of the name to no good benefit - does anyone actually refer to it as "Canadian Children's Rights Council Inc./Conseil canadien des droits des enfants inc." while reporting, discussing or quoting the agency? This, this, this comment by a member, this list of organizations and this article all use simply the English name. WP:NAME says we use the name that is most familiar, and for en.wiki that is the English name. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Companies doesn't support the CCRC/CCDE naming beyond the lead, and neither, from what I can tell, does Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Organizations or Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English).
• You revert to the CCRC version of a news story, which is not recommended by WP:CONV.
• referring to good-faith edits as "destructive" is, well, uncivil, particularly when you are not discussing on the talk page first and your own revert is dubious (though obviously these are not immediately clear issues)

Please let us discuss on the talk page and reach consensus based on the policies and guidelines rather than the blunt force approach used by the various anons and single-purpose accounts. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 11:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)