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How I Know we went to the Moon

Dave McKeegan

RedsRhetoric

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  The first photograph showing a curve on Earth’s horizon, taken on 1935 at.
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  Photo courtesy of K2GXT at the w:Rochester Institute of Technology. Taken from the RITCHIE-1 high-altitude science balloon. The photo has been edited to correct fisheye lens distortion. The center of the frame is indicated, where there is less distortion.
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  This video shows the flight of a high-altitude balloon that I helped launched in Sept 2017 for the Astronuts Kids Club in Newmarket Ontario. The balloon was launched from Goderich Ontario and reached a peak altitude between 117K and 118K feet.
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  December 4 2011 launch of Armadillo Aerospace Stiga at Spaceport America. Apogee is near 140,000 ft above sea level.
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  Panoramic picture of the Earth's curvature combining 18 images taken at 29,394 metres.

Sunsets are caused due to perspective!

The Sun looks huge due to its glare...

... but in reality, it's very small

Montage of the Solar eclipse of 2012 taken with a solar filter. As the Sun sets its size never changes.

The very simple phenomenon of sunset is pain in the ass for flat Earthers suporting a small local sun. Afterall, how could the sun appeared to be hiding under the horizon if it'd always be literally above us? The most common excuse flat earthers use is "perspective". That is, "the Sun is too far away to be seen". Usually this followed by pictures of streetlights on a road converging due to perspective. This same excused is also used for everything that apears to hide under the horizon.

This "solution" is a non starter since on graphical perspective everything above the horizon line will converge to the vanishing point but never reach it, let alone go under it (which is the very same phenomenon they are trying to explain in the first place!).

Another big problem is that if that were true then the sun would change its size during the day, getting smaller as it sets. Flat earthers bring as proof timelapses of sunsets where the glare of the sun reduces as it's setting. However, this is caused by overexposure of the camera. Once the camera settings are corrected and solar filter is used it can be clearly seen that the sun never decrease its size. Nor during the day, nor during a year.

You can zoom back the Sun in view!

No. You can't. What flatties refer as "proof" are videos

But

The sun is inside the clouds!

Look! The sun is inside this forest!

This is proof of the "the sun is inside the clouds". No joke.

In the search for any proof of a local small local sun, flat earthers have encountered pictures and videos where the sun appears to go through some clouds while also partially covered by other clouds. This therefore proves the sun must as low as those clouds and inside them!

Yes... They are serious about this.

Some clouds are thicker than others, thus, some clouds let more sunlight go through them. Thus, the illusion of the sun being inside a cloud. Once again, flat earthers are confused by the sunglare and camera exposure.

But even without analysising these pictures, with just a tiny tiny amount of critical thinking we can bring some more glaring problems than the sun itself:

1. At those small altitudes why hasn't anything crashed to it? Do pilots swing and miss it on their routes?
2. According to this claim the sun would be 10 miles up. But other flat earthers say its 3000 miles up! And some even outside the dome!!!
3. And, lastly, if the sun is inside those clouds, WHY DOESN'T IT EVAPORATE THEM INSTANTLY? Is the sun cold???

Crepuscular rays prove a local sun!

Train tracks on the Bolivian Altiplano

Anticrepuscular Cagliari

Rainbows are reflections of the dome!

Rainbow - panoramio - Mario Hains (1)

So why there are "hotspots" on the Earth surface?

This 8 billiard ball has a "hotspot"!

I know what you are all thinking... "What the HELL is a hotspot???" Well. In a nutshell, it's basicall

So why can't we see the thousands of orbiting satellites?

Photo montage of transit of the ISS passing over the sun. The ISS blocks the sunlight, leaving a trail of its silluete.

Where are all the thousands of animals living in this landscape!?

Right now, as you are reading this, there are thousands of airplanes flying in the sky. Quick question: Do you see them? No? There you go.

Flat earthers don't stop to consider the ridiculousness of asking for a picture of all satellites from out space. The majority of satellites Earth are as big as a car and they orbit miles away from each others. We can't barely see a car from a few dozens of miles away. AND THEY ARE ASK THEM TO SEE THEM MILLIONS OF MILES AWAY?.

Only big massive satellites like the International Space Station or the Tiangong Space Station (which are the size of a football field) can be seen more clearly and there are many detailed pictures of them

Excuse 1: IT'S A SATELLOON!

Then why can't we see the balloon? [crickets]

Excuse 2: IT'S A HOLOGRAM!

Then how does a hologram can block light? [crickets]

PS: "No satellites, therefore flat" is not even wrong...

So why can't we see the sun during a lunar eclipse?

https://space.rice.edu/eclipse/img/eclipse_diagram_selenelion.jpghttps://space.rice.edu/eclipse/pdf/HEAT_resource_selenelion_diagram.pdf

Navigation on a Flat Earth is impossible

For millenia the elevation of the Pole Star (Polaris) have been used for navigation, for example in the use of sextants. The John P. Boyd showed that the distance to the celestial north pole is the observer's colatitude multiplied by 111 km. This empirical observation matches on a globe but can't be explained on flat Earth model, thus the concluding that "simple mathematics" proves the is Earth a sphere.