Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Changshun

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 11:52, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Wang Changshun

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... that Wang Changshun, a former airline regulator, now serves as the chairman of Air China?

Created by QatarStarsLeague (talk). Self nominated at 02:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC).

Current readable prose size is 1280 and 1500 is minimum required. You should add more info about the subject. The article currently doesn't look like a biography but only his career profile. Maybe you can add info about where he was born, his educational qualifications, personal life info if any, etc. What did he study at the University of Science and Technology? Also one reference is bare and needs fixing. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:24, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Length issues. For the record. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 14:14, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I brought it to 1,527 characters. I doubt that much more can be done or if anything more can be done. Based on the sources, it seems like people are more interested in the company itself. Most articles only mention him in the context of the company, which includes interviews where he doesn't answer any questions about himself. The sources that do only mention him are extremely short. He is indeed notable, but I'm not sure if he is notable enough for his own article or if it should be merged elsewhere. SL93 (talk) 02:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Nominator is not a completely new editor and i suppose they will have something to speak on this issue. Have notified them. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 10:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I have scoured both English and Chinese sources, and have been unable to locate any further information. I feel this is the furthest extent of the article, and therefore the DYK review should be based upon current article content, as opposed to potential addendums. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 13:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The article at current is barely over 1500 characters and that is with a long quote that adds nothing. There is enough material in the Air China bio alone to write a proper (short) article, but at current the page isn't sufficient to post. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The article is now at 1201 prose characters; the quote, per WP:MOSQUOTE, was put into a blockquote; I do agree with ThaddeusB that it adds nothing useful, and in any case, such a large quote doesn't count toward the 1500 prose character requirement. There's also a bit of confusion, in the current article order, about what was for the chairmanship of Air China and what for the IATA 2012 chairmanship; this needs to be clarified. Please note, however, that any information copied from the Air China bio would not count as new material for the purposes of DYK. If this is indeed the furthest extent of the article, then it regrettably will not qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

To clarify, I meant his biography at the Air China webpage. Naturally, such info can't be copied word-for-word, but is a viable source or expanding the article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:19, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I have expanded & reworked the article to meet minimum DYK standards. It needs a new review now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks OK now. Long enough, not too close to the sources (if one accepts that some biographical details can't be restated), and the hook fact is both in the article and verified by cited sources.

The biographical details in the article are still confusing, but not all of the confusion can be resolved because the sources are confused. I did a fair amount of rewriting, partly to resolve some of the confusion. I found some additional sources that helped a bit. --Orlady (talk) 01:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)