Template:Did you know nominations/The Sacred Twenty

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 19:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

The Sacred Twenty

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... that even just after formation of the exclusively female Sacred Twenty (pictured), military nursing tasks during World War I were often done by untrained men?

Reviewed: Wim T. Schippers
Comment: Article created in userspace on 26 October, article moved to articlespace on 28 October.

Created by I JethroBT (talk). Self nominated at 17:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC).

Very interesting topic and well written article, but the sentence that supports the hook does not seem to have a citation. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC).

Sure-- I've sourced the statement with an existing source in the article. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 16:11, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

MEDRS check SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Per the list provided by User:Allen3 here, I stopped by to check for compliance with medical sourcing. I don't see health-related statements in the article that would engage MEDRS, so I will not contribute a full review here, but what stands out immediately is a) why is there a "The" in the article title (see WP:MSH and there are other MSH issues), and b) the hook needs to be copyedited (even ?), and c) the source cannot be verified unless one has the book, and in such cases, I would request a quote to verify that the source is accurately represented (I realize it is customary at DYK to AGF on hooks, but I don't see any harm in asking that the editor place the quote from the source here for verification-- I would want to particularly verify the word "most" in the hook.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:14, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

a) Yeah, I agree that "The" should be dropped from the article title. Thanks for the catch, I'll move the page.

b) "even" is used because the group was created specifically to staff military hospitals because nurses were sorely needed. However, (in reading the article), there was discomfort in doing so amongst hospitals, and so mostly untrained male nurses continued to work the hospitals even after the Sacred Twenty were implemented as Navy Nurses. Perhaps there is a better way to phrase this, and I'm open to suggestions. Here's a suggested alt:

ALT1: ... that in the few years after the formation of the exclusively female Sacred Twenty (pictured), military nursing tasks during World War I were still often done by untrained men?

c) For me, this is checkable using the Google Books preview function. Here is a link to the relevant page. If it's not viewable, let me know and I can provide a quotation.

That should be everything. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 19:26, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I can't move the page on my own because a redirect was setup already from Sacred Twenty. I'll get an admin to move this one. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 19:29, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, page has been moved to Sacred Twenty. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 00:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the changes and ping ... I was only checking for WP:MEDRS compliance, and will leave the rest of the DYK review (length, copyvio, etc) to regular DYK reviewers. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Now that the reference for the hook has been verified (and checked via Google Books), this is good to go. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC).