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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 8, 2010. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the captured Yugoslav seaplane tender Zmaj* was used for shipboard trials of the Flettner Fl 282* Kolibri (Hummingbird) helicopter by the Kriegsmarine in 1942–43?
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Freivogel

G'day Sturmvogel 66, the Freivogel book arrived on the slow ship from Italy. There is a bit more detail on her peacetime and wartime activities, which I'll hopefully be able to add in over the Easter break. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. He's also done a book on the Ships of the Royal Yugoslav Navy, so I'll go through that once it arrives in a week or two.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the one I got. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, then I guess I should through the Adriatic Naval War book then.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. I ordered that back in November, but it must have got stuck in the Suez Canal... Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crikey, mate! That's gotta be aggravating.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is doing my head in... But as I am flat out with RW stuff right now, it is a bit of a blessing, as I reckon I'll find it has loads of stuff to add to my RYN articles, and I'd just be getting frustrated that I can't get on with it... Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've skimmed through about half of the Naval War book and have found almost nothing on the ship, which leads me to two conclusions: Freivogel didn't use much in the way of German sources for the pre-Italian surrender period and/or the ship spent her time in the Aegean from late '42 onwards. Don't sweat the small stuff; if you haven't the time to work on this one in a couple of weeks, I'll handle this one once my copy arrives while you can focus on the other ships.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The latter, mainly as an escort for transports. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Sturm. I've used Freivogel to expand this one, and I reckon it is ready for ACR. Co-nom? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lemme take a look, but yes.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've made my changes. See if they work for you; if so go ahead and nominate it.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On a semi-related note, I've been fiddling with Draft:Barletta (auxiliary cruiser) and noted that there's a convoy in January 1942 that Barletta and Zmaj (as Drache) escorted - does Freivogel make any mention of Barletta? I haven't been able to find much in the way of sources on this rather obscure ship, so I wondered if this might be able to cover that specific tidbit. Parsecboy (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Intro Photo Suggestion

Hi @Peacemaker67:. Would this photo or this other photo be better resolution choice? For the body, this one (which is public) or other one may be good additions? OyMosby (talk) 05:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks OM, but I don't think so. There are plenty of issues here. The first two would still need FURs and I don't think they show the ship better, in fact the second one is not "as built", it is during German service after considerable modifications. The model is interesting, but the model design itself has copyright issues, and it doesn't show how the ship sat in the water. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:44, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Figured since the first two were higher resolution that they could be useful. Oh well. OyMosby (talk) 07:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lede sentence

I'd expect a lede to contain the verb 'to be' and say what Zmaj was, typically something like 'Zmaj was a Yugoslav ship' or whatever. Here it starts off rather suddenly with things that happened with Zmaj. I'm surprised nobody said this before this was made a featured article. 87.126.21.225 (talk) 01:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Felix116 (talk) 20:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hardly. It is fine as a first sentence, because it says what it was and who it was built for. There is no need for a change in the structure of the sentence. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you are talking about the version before Felix116 fixed it (i.e. 'Zmaj was built in Germany as a seaplane tender for the Royal Yugoslav Navy between 1928 and 1930'), no, it isn't fine - it was ambigious, because it only said that Zmaj was a seaplane tender when it was initially built, or even just that it was built with the purpose of becoming a seaplane tender, while still leaving the possibility that it went on to become something other than a seaplane tender.--87.126.21.225 (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]