Talk:Yohio/Archive 1
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Name
YOHIO is his stage name and not a brand name and it should be capitalized (as it is in LMFAO's article) and will.i.am's and k.d.lang's (lowercase).
http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSCAPS "Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Wikipedia articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources".
If Wikipedia allows people using their lowercase names, it should allow YOHIO's name. I'm gonna revert that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raniee09 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 29 March 2013
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Please change the discography, he has two albums more which are called "REACH the SKY" a mini album from 2012 and "Break the Border" a full album from 2013. Please change the genre, his genre could be described as pop/rock but it is called "Visual Kei" and it's a japanese genre. Saranghaepperu (talk) 11:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:45, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Visual kei
Another user is changing the visual kei name to visual rock. Yohio is a visual kei singer with a career in Japan. Visual rock or glam rock look is very similar but not what Yohio is doing. His style is distinctly Visual kei and he himself states in all interviews that he is doing visual kei and has an interest for visual kei and Japanese culture overall. Any other input?.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:08, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- I have now added three additional sources for the Visual kei.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- It is pretty simple, visual kei is "a movement among Japanese musicians", he is Swedish. This is the only way to distinguish visual kei from visual rock/glam. There is no problem to put in the article that he was inspired by Japanese visual kei, such as DNR (Dreams Not Reality). The fact that he calls himself visual kei means nothing, Wikipedia does not cater to the subject's wants (I recently dealt with this at X Japan, where a band member tweeted that they were not metal). The sources are not great. The first two sources [1] & [2] have what appears to be almost word for word the exact the same info, sources that plagiarize are not reliable as they lack editorial oversight. The third [3] is a press release by his record label, therefore it is unreliably biased.
- Also we do not put visual kei in the genres field in the infobox, see any actual visual kei band's article, it is put in the opening sentence. This is because there is dispute over it being a genre; it does not give any hint about what kind of music the subject plays as it has no musical characteristics, one can play pop, metal, electronic, etc. Additionally you can't deny that he is a male dressing in female clothes, therefore he gets added to Category:MTF cross-dressers. Xfansd (talk) 20:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Well you are fundamentally wrong, if we should follow your reasoning then we could argue that glam rock/visual rock is a "movement amongst British musicians" and he is swedish. Being a visual kei performer is not equal to having to be from Japan it is a style just like Visual rock. But I will do some edits that will probably satisfy you. Even though I will not back down on the fact that he is not doing visual rock but visual kei. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- I have now made some edits playing down the part of visual kei as in fact it is his music that are important. And not if he is visual kei or visual rock.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- My reasoning is not comparable to thinking glam is a "movement amongst British musicians", because it leads back to the dispute whether visual kei is a genre. Glam rock/visual rock are genres because they have defined musical characteristics, practitioners play rock music and as such any artist from anywhere can be glam rock by playing rock music and dressing up. But because visual kei is not clearly defined by a sound/genre/musical characteristic, its definition relies on its practitioners being Japanese. While I would still prefer to remove Category:Visual kei musicians, I commend you for being open to compromise. I think saying he was inspired by visual kei is much better.
- Surely the definition is based on the language you're performing in and where you do so, and not where the artist was born? Otherwise you end up in the bizarre situation that an artist performing a japanese song in tokyo, in a style that is typical of visual kei, suposedly do not do visual kei? Yohio seems to do a bit of both. He has performed both in Europe and Japan, and some of his songs are in English, some in Japanese. Heck, Heartbreak Hotel, the runner up in Swedish Eurovision, could arguably be called pop. 81.216.64.211 (talk) 19:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- My reasoning is not comparable to thinking glam is a "movement amongst British musicians", because it leads back to the dispute whether visual kei is a genre. Glam rock/visual rock are genres because they have defined musical characteristics, practitioners play rock music and as such any artist from anywhere can be glam rock by playing rock music and dressing up. But because visual kei is not clearly defined by a sound/genre/musical characteristic, its definition relies on its practitioners being Japanese. While I would still prefer to remove Category:Visual kei musicians, I commend you for being open to compromise. I think saying he was inspired by visual kei is much better.
- I have now made some edits playing down the part of visual kei as in fact it is his music that are important. And not if he is visual kei or visual rock.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Well you are fundamentally wrong, if we should follow your reasoning then we could argue that glam rock/visual rock is a "movement amongst British musicians" and he is swedish. Being a visual kei performer is not equal to having to be from Japan it is a style just like Visual rock. But I will do some edits that will probably satisfy you. Even though I will not back down on the fact that he is not doing visual rock but visual kei. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Also we do not put visual kei in the genres field in the infobox, see any actual visual kei band's article, it is put in the opening sentence. This is because there is dispute over it being a genre; it does not give any hint about what kind of music the subject plays as it has no musical characteristics, one can play pop, metal, electronic, etc. Additionally you can't deny that he is a male dressing in female clothes, therefore he gets added to Category:MTF cross-dressers. Xfansd (talk) 20:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Are you against adding Category:MTF cross-dressers? You didn't mention that. Xfansd (talk) 21:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Revert war..?
BabbaQ, if you're going to revert my changes in whole, please give a rationale! Discuss FIRST. Kiruning (talk) 00:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- If you take a closer look both me and Bishonen has done so several times. If you choose too ignore that then I can not do much about it. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 05:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Melodifestivalen 2013: reference needs updating
"On 2 February, Yohio qualified for the contest final, where he, on 9 March, finished second but got the majority of the Swedish people's votes."
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- ^ "YOHIO och David Lindgren är i final i Melodifestivalen". SVT. 2 February 2013. Retrieved 2 February 2013.
I think the information is correct, but can anyone find a better, or additional, source? There's nothing at the link about how Yohio did in the final of Melodifestivalen on 9 March; it's purely about the Karlskrona qualifications. Reasonably enough, since the link is from 2 February… Bishonen | talk 20:53, 29 May 2013 (UTC).
- I will check it out in the upcoming weekend.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- This page shows the results of the final, but doesn't mention that he received the most votes: http://www.svt.se/melodifestivalen/robin-stjernberg-ar-vinnaren-av-melodifestivalen-2013 JosJuice (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, that's a bit surprising.. But doesn't the list of "Publikens poäng" refer to points given by the TV audience, in other words to the popular vote? Yohio tops that by a good margin. It can't mean the live audience, can it? I don't remember them getting to vote. And even if they did, the results wouldn't be very interesting to the media, compared to the entire phone-in vote. I'm pretty sure that's what's meant. I think we can use that reference, unless you find a source that actually points out that he got the popular vote, BabbaQ, which is always clearer and better. Bishonen | talk 15:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC).
- Yes, you are correct. I didn't see that section at first. JosJuice (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, that's a bit surprising.. But doesn't the list of "Publikens poäng" refer to points given by the TV audience, in other words to the popular vote? Yohio tops that by a good margin. It can't mean the live audience, can it? I don't remember them getting to vote. And even if they did, the results wouldn't be very interesting to the media, compared to the entire phone-in vote. I'm pretty sure that's what's meant. I think we can use that reference, unless you find a source that actually points out that he got the popular vote, BabbaQ, which is always clearer and better. Bishonen | talk 15:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC).
- This page shows the results of the final, but doesn't mention that he received the most votes: http://www.svt.se/melodifestivalen/robin-stjernberg-ar-vinnaren-av-melodifestivalen-2013 JosJuice (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
UNPROTECT PAGE
Why is this page indefinitely semi-protected??? Surely unnecessary. I vote to open this page again pending further disruption. 87.232.1.48 (talk) 20:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's not. The present protection is due to expire on July 13. It's a sensitive biography page which saw a lot of violations of the biographies of living people policy, which is why I protected it (twice, see the protection log). But I'm willing to unprotect experimentally at this time; at least the subject's not so much in the news in Sweden now, as far as I've seen. Please alert me if you see any problems. Bishonen | talk 20:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC).
- Update: another IP than the above took the opportunity to vandalize the article when the protection was lifted. I've blocked them for six months (sock of banned user), and am leaving the article unprotected for now. We'll just have to see if there are further problems. Bishonen | talk 09:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC).
Japanese Wikipedia
I thought there would be a japanese article on him, but none is linked. Is that a mistake, or did no japanese editor write one? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- There has been a page on JP Wikipedia called YOHIO created back in 2012, but got deleted due to what I think was notability. This was a year before is Melfest 2013 appearance, so maybe someone would have better luck this time. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 11:35, 8 September 2013 (UTC)