Talk:Yang Youlin

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Yang Youlin was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 2, 2025, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Sources Issue

Due to most of the sources about Yang Youlin being only written in Chinese, it is difficult for me as a citizen of the United States of America to find sources about him. I ask that those who know Chinese please contribute in their efforts to improving this article by providing valuable information and sources to this page. PrivateRyan44 (talk) 04:15, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added in more sources from Chinese sources. Should have a more thorough explanation on things and more detailed stuff now.

All the best. YangZongChang0101 (talk) 10:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see you’ve added quite a lot! Thank you very much!

- Ryan PrivateRyan44 (talk) 22:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear PrivateRyan44,

This summer, or in March, I will be travelling to Hunan to find the sources and the diary which was written about Yang Youlin by my great grandfather, the KMT Officer.

We have a letter written to us by Chen Geng, talking about Yang Youlin etc, sent to Yang Yingpeng.

I will take a photo of every page of that diary, also the unique picture of Yang Kaihui which no one has and also a picture of the bronze statue which was made of Yang Youlin.

I will try to get as many sources and pictures as I can get in Hunan next year.

Thank you,

Yang Zongchang. YangZongChang0101 (talk) 07:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, lovely! If it is possible, I would ask if you could create a translated version of the diary in English so that I may publish it on Wikisource. If it is on there, then the work will be much easier to cite, and will be available for all to read. PrivateRyan44 (talk) 07:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will do my best. YangZongChang0101 (talk) 07:25, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: PrivateRyan44 (talk · contribs) 02:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: ~~Fidodog14 (talk · contribs) 07:01, 15 December 2024 (UTC)~~ Toadspike [Talk] 11:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quickfail

The previous reviewer, Fidodog14, has not responded to a request to complete this review. [1] Their entire review consisted of the invisible comment above this heading, after which they re-rated this article as GA on its Talk page. [2] They have not edited since. As the previous review apparently did not properly check this article against the GA criteria, I am taking over the review.

This good article nomination can be quickfailed for several reasons: It is a long way from meeting #2 of the criteria due to its heavily reliance on unreliable primary sources and likely inclusion of original research. It also likely fails #4, on account of a declared COI. [3] It also has several cleanup banners and countless tags that are unquestionably still valid. For these reasons, I am failing this good article nomination. This article may be renominated once it has been improved with reliable, indepedent secondary sources. Toadspike [Talk] 11:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Mostly non-WP:RS in this article

Most of the sources in this article are currently not secondary reliable sources. What is cited here are mostly government WP:PRIMARY sources. There is only one cited source to date -- this Paul Clark article -- that could be considered a best source. Still lots of work needed here. - Amigao (talk) 23:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly government sources, which are a reliable source nonetheless. Lots of work needed, by you to further discredit and damage the history of this article, yes? YangZongChang0101 (talk) 01:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Always best to stick with WP:SECONDARY and WP:INDEPENDENT sources. - Amigao (talk) 01:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no justifiable defense for what you are doing, which is blatant spread of americanized and biased knowledge to put China, and the Communist Party of China in a bad light. YangZongChang0101 (talk) 01:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You probably ought to review WP:AGF as well. - Amigao (talk) 01:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will not assume good faith, as there are 3 articles written about you stating your intent to change the history of chinese articles to defame them, as well as the clear editing pattern which shows your interest or focus on editing Chinese related articles on your page.

You are a notorious member on R/Sino after all. YangZongChang0101 (talk) 01:32, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found this. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2049370, Surely this is reliable, yes? PrivateRyan44 (talk) 01:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For questions about source reliability, the best place to ask is always WP:RSN. WP:RSP also has a useful list for reference. - Amigao (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]