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xiezhi?

I'm not sure if this "Haetae" and the Xiezhi are the same animal. XieZhi from what I know was a unicorn like creature (sometimes goat like with one horn) that can distinguish deceivers from the sincere. They are so righteous that they will even gorge the ones they perceive as evil with their single horn.whipsandchains (talk)

- I'm really not sure if these two creatures Haetae and Xiezhi are one and the same. I might start a new article and link it back to this. The Haetae could be a creature the Koreans heard from Xiexhi legends in China but something they further developed themselves because as far as I know, Xiezhi does not eat fire (although a Zhayu does though which seems to be the creatures shown in the ZH and JP wiki pages). 74.12.37.174 (talk) 05:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Foo Dogs / Fu Dogs / Guardian Lions

Living in Korea I see these all over, sometimes they seem to resemble Imperial_guardian_lions or Fu Dogs, moreso than the one in the picture. I'm not sure about this "unique to Korean culture" thing because the resemble and act in the same way as the Chinese mytological lions. Jrader 13:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't understand that either, as the Japanese, like the Chinese and Koreans, have Shisa. 67.165.163.63 05:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC) Chris G.[reply]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but it seems to me that some Korean WikiPedians have the tendency of attributing some elements in Asian cultures as "unique to Korean culture." Perhaps there are some misunderstanding. --K kc chan (talk) 23:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

quote from Korea Herald and permission

According to Stephen Roney ACA, in an article for the Korea Herald,[citation needed] “All ... eclipse.”

Here would be a link to a copy of that page - BUT at the bottom it states: "(C) Copyright 2000 Digital Korea Herald. All rights reserved. Contact us for more information". ----Erkan Yilmaz 07:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary removed until someone shows/gets permission. ----Erkan Yilmaz 08:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but surely fair use policy of academic material means one can use information from copyrighted sources, so long as they are correctly referenced and not plagiarised? That's how this whole encyclopedia thing is supposed to work - using information from reputable, published sources, rather than uncopyrighted random material. I fail to see the problem. Carty239 (talk) 22:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go, Wikipedia's own article states that citing from copyrighted material is perfectly acceptable. Therefore, I will reintroduce information from that source into this article, rewriting from the information but not copy/pasting. This should fit with Wikipedia policy. Any objections? Carty239 (talk) 17:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

why

If this mythical creature originated in China and is still seen all around China and other Asian countries, why is this item using the animal's Korean name? Just because it's a mascot for Seoul doesn't mean it's uniquely or inherently Korean. A better way to deal with this is to have two different articles, one is Xiezhi and the other one is its Korean version Haetae. --123.118.230.78 (talk) 06:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there should be different articles. The exact origin and relationship of this creature to other mythology is unclear, and thus should probs be separated from things like the Xiezhi, with reference to its similarities/links Carty239 (talk) 15:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see there's been no further action on this point, but I do feel that the two should be separate articles, noting the similarity/cross-cultural linkages between the two. The precedent is set, I feel, but the directly comparable articles on Kumiho, Huli jing and Kitsune articles on Wikipedia, which note the similarities/differences but in separate articles. These, like haetae/xiezhi a similar common heritage and mythology, but also have unique cultural skews/associations.

Carty239 (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]