Talk:World of Ruin

Notability

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Since there were objections over the venue, I've opted to open notability discussions on the four topics discussed. I feel like this article could, in theory, be notable, but as it stands, the sources do an insufficient job of demonstrating notability. To examine each source:

1. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-6s-broken-world-resonates-differently-in-ours-today/1100-6490867/ - Sigcov
2. https://www.gamerevolution.com/originals/513387-final-fantasy-6-best-moments - Only a paragraph, and it doesn't really say much except to say that the moment of Kefka destroying the world was one of the best parts of the game.
3. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/01/the-world-of-ruin-in-ff6-is-about-searching-for-hope-in-desperate-times/ - While the framing of the article is the World of Ruin, the article spends most of its time talking about the characters' actions in this world. It's more sigcov for Characters of Final Fantasy VI than World of Ruin, honestly.
4. https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/04/02/the-best-of-an-era-looking-back-on-final-fantasy-vi-after-25-years - Dev info (good info, but dev info nonetheless)

I find that, based on what is here, the subject is not presently notable. If there are more good sources out there, I'd certainly be happy to see them.

@Zxcvbnm: and @NegativeMP1: as participants in the WT:VG discussion. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Here's another SIGCOV I found specifically about World of Ruin (Eurogamer article). It argues that the scene with Celes and Cid is possibly an example of "games as art". This source is pretty compelling evidence that it's standalone notable. Here's an Inverse article that also specifically talks about the World of Ruin twist, with a big map of it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

There's also an article here that spends a couple paragraphs arguing that "The World of Ruin is what elevates Final Fantasy VI into a masterpiece", though I don't know the reliability of the site so I am less inclined to cite it as clear SIGCOV. Still, it might be. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Popping my head in, but I've run into Goombastomp before and it lacks editorial. The author however writes for Valnet, which I'd be *wary* about but does give you an angle to argue.

Is there anything about how the WoR impacted other games? I feel like that's going to be your best angle.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Repeating myself here, but I don't think this is a notability issue; it's a readability issue. This article lacks crucial context for the reader to understand what the topic even is. The lead has no less than 5 unexplained concepts from FF6 that make zero sense to a reader who first arrives at this article. If you were to provide all the proper context necessary, this article would just be copying vast swathes of the FF6 article. Just because something is "notable" doesn't mean that the best way to convey that information is on a separate page. Merge. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

100% agree. Merge per WP:MERGEREASON. Sergecross73 msg me 19:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

After heavy reflecting, I also agree on a merge. There are sources discussing the subject, but not enough to warrant a stand alone article without needing to go into excessive detail for it to make sense; that's the biggest deciding factor in this case.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: I'd look into this more myself, but life's been pretty busy so I can't. I use User:Cukie Gherkin/Source searching to find sources. I find that Inside-Games has a tendency to cover older RPGs, so they may talk about the World of Ruin. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, I feel as though there's a valid point to be made that World of Ruin is better to strengthen the FF6 article rather than being a thing on its own. Merge - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge - This article is a great example of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". Can you write four sourced paragraphs on one small component of a video game? Sure. Should you do that? No, because you end up with something with no real weighting according to importance that's also completely out of context. This is, essentially, just "various people's opinions on one part of FF6", and sources or no that shouldn't be a stand-alone article. This isn't World 1-1 here. --PresN 00:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I was the last to comment here, weeks ago, but the clear consensus is to merge the article, with only the article creator against. I've gone ahead and merged it to Final Fantasy VI. --PresN 02:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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