Talk:West Kill

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A fact from West Kill appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 January 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the watershed of the West Kill (Diamond Notch Falls pictured) has the steepest slopes and highest overall elevation of any subbasin of New York's Schoharie Creek?

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 16:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

1. Prose On hold

2. Verifiability On hold

3. Depth of Coverage On hold

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass

7. Miscellaneous On hold

Comments

1.

"flows across the town of Lexington, New York"- Don't think across is the right word here. Across implies that it is on top of the other object. Through would work better, if that's accurate.

While it's been changed, and I'm not going to object, I must say that I have never read "across" as suggesting that the crossing object is above what it's crossing, and indeed the way we define it at Wiktionary doesn't put that sense first. I used "across" because it does pretty much flow westward from the eastern corner of the town of Lexington to the westernmost point of major settlement in the town. Daniel Case (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that across was ok, I would not disagree with changing it back?, as across sounds better than through.420Traveler (talk) 17:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Across is fine by me then, if it's been changed, feel free to change it back. I'm a bit on the redneck side, so my English is a bit nonstandard.

"This is the elevation it is shown ending at on the U.S. Geological Survey map[7]" - I don't think ending is the right word, since it is referring to the source of a river, which is technically the beginning of a river.

Done I used "rising" instead ... the point is that other maps show a higher source, and we have the idea to go out, hike up in that direction, and see if it actually rises above the trail as those other maps suggest, and to get a photograph of the source for the article. Daniel Case (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"parallel to the kill " - Link kill to Kill (body of water)

Done Daniel Case (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"After receiving Pettit Brook from the south, Spruceton Road returns to the north side of West Kill." - The current phrasing implies that it is Spruceton Road that receives Pettit Brook

Done Daniel Case (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

" Just below, at the former hamlet of Spruceton, Herdman Brook flows into the West Kill from the slopes of Evergreen Mountain to the north.[12] followed shortly by Styles Brook draining the cirque below West Kill Mountain's summit, from the south, just west of where Baker Road crosses to provide access to several farms on that side. Cleared fields and structures are now found on both sides of the stream." - The phrasing suggests that the period after north should be a comma. However, it would be best to rephrase beginning with "followed shortly ..." and make a clean split into two sentences for sentence length reasons.

Done Daniel Case (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

West Kill, New York is a duplink

Done420Traveler (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A number of the other town names, such as Hunter and Lexington, are also duplinks

Done420Traveler (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Schoharie Creek is a duplink

Done420Traveler (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the geographic features, too

Done420Traveler (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"DEC rates the West Kill's" - What's DEC?

The common abbrevation for the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, as given in the "Watershed" section: "... most of which are protected area managed by the state Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)." Daniel Case (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Schoharie Reservoir and Shandaken Tunnel are duplinks

Done420Traveler (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I won't quibble with this, but sometimes, whatever DUPLINK says, it's useful to relink a term if it hasn't been used in quite a while. I think it's rather arrogant to ask readers to scroll back to a previous mention; you just go nuts reverting the relink when IPs routinely add it every few months. Daniel Case (talk) 02:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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"The floods washed away the bridge carrying Van Valkenburgh Road, just above the stream's mouth; as of 2018 it has not been replaced and does not look likely to be." - Citation needed
"Management Unit 17, pp. 7—10" - For the citations like this, you should create another section titled "sources". Move the full citations ( "West Kill Management Unit 17" (PDF). Catskill Streams. p. 13. Retrieved January 11, 2018.) to the sources section, and then have the short citations in the references section. It's a lot easier to read and identify where the information comes from that way.

@Hog Farm: Alright ... what I'm going to do is just give the full cite the first time, then use the {{rp}} template to put the page number in the text as superscript. Daniel Case (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is

Done Daniel Case (talk) 05:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the 1999 from ref 3, it doesn't have a date

Done420Traveler (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

3.

Is anything known about the etymology of the stream? If so, it should be added to the history section.

I haven't found that yet, although you're right it should be there. I get the feeling it was named at the same time as the East Kill ... perhaps they were the first two upper Schoharie tributaries to be named? Daniel Case (talk) 04:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Move the further reading to after the references

Done420Traveler (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Placing on hold, I'll give it another read through once these are addressed.

@420Traveler and Daniel Case: - Any update on this? Hog Farm (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: Other than the changes we made addressing all your comments, or otherwise, there hasn't been any substantial update, no. Daniel Case (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case and 420Traveler: - Looks like all that hasn't been done is the etymology and the ref organization. If the etymology isn't discussed in reliable sources, then that's an acceptable reason not to have it. However, I'd like to get either the ref organization done or a reply as to why it shouldn't be done that way. This one's pretty close. Hog Farm (talk) 20:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]